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I was curious, there are so many out there with varying degrees of user friendliness.
I have the dirt and grunge shader. And while it doesn't work in Iray, I end up using the textures from it to enhance things.
If everyone did start doing their own modeling and such, wouldn't that make it extremely difficult for PAs to make a living? How would a PA make a living if everyone else was making their own models? Just a thought.
I don't think it would be an issue. I don't know exactly how long it takes to model something on average, but I seriously doubt that even if I were an expert I would be able to model the more complex things at even a fraction of the rate at which I can purchase them. And while technically most people could probably raise their own produce, it doesn't seem to happen, and we still need farmers. Everybody has different areas of expertise or choice in what they do, I don't think all the PAs are in immediate danger due to the availability of modeling applications for all of us.
..I felt the same when it came to computers.
However when 4.0 came out I was still on a very limited 32 bit system that I could barely render a single figure and simple background with. Back then to get a system powerful enough was in the realm ot 2,500$+ (usually a dedicated gamer system or custom build). Now at the time my computer hardware skills were pretty basic, like plugging a printer or monitor into a computer and installing memory in my old notebook, So I sat down to learn (taking about 18 months in my spare time) about how these things are built and research the components to make sure they were compatible with each other. This also gave me the time to save for and purchase the components I needed. In the end I saved over half the cost of a similar custom built system, and it's is still running pretty well after three years.
Crikey, since then I've been helping others who are looking to purchase or build a new system with questions they have.
Now, modelling my own content is a whole different issue which I already mentioned about here.
Why would I possibly want to only charge $2 dollars for it, they're obviously worth $25! Turbosquid knows what 3D assets are worth!
seriously, if I packed up 10 unique small props like the duck or the pizza slice, less than a buck a piece and sold the collection for $8.99, if DAZ would even bother accepting it for the store ( don't forget we PAs got to spend time making kick a$$ promos for these things as well. how much money would it make? what would these ten items be to target the max numbers of customers? how many customers will put it on their wishlist to get the set a few month from now at 60-70-80-90% off where that $8.99 has now dwindle down to .87cents for the PA's share. Oh yah, we'll be jumping all over that.
I think its great if people try to make their own content. There is an appreciation of what's involved, if you can do it yourself. Besides no one is replacing a Stonemason or a DzFire without some serious commitment of learning time.
As a matter of fact, I have made my own paper, bound my own books, ground pigments for paint, designed and put together custom desks and tools, made my own glass beads and silver jewelry, carded and spun and woven wool, woven baskets, hand-stitched and beaded clothing and many other things because I wanted to know how things worked and were made. That's just me. :) I am also very much a consumer of things other people make. Things I want to have or use for which I don't want to do myself. In the classes I took, there were many who took it and kept on with things (this includes 3D), and others that found they couldn't or, in the end, didn't want to spend time making things themselves. Most went away with an appreciation of the time and effort it takes to make things. When I was in college for art, the Industrial Arts course was a mandatory subject. We learned to do typography, serography, and printing of all types in order to give us, as artist, an insight of what it takes when we go to a printer and ask them to do something. These things just give people a perspective and sometimes sparks a desire to more things. In the end, what almost everyone here has a desire to do is create art in some way. That's a great starting and ending point for many. I hope to do art till the day I draw my last breath.
I create some of my own content, and I buy content. In fact, sometimes I buy content because taking it apart, so to speak, is a great mini tutorial. The nice thing about Carrara for me is that I am able to integrate my custom efforts with my Daz purchases. My efforts at modeling have not eliminated my purchases of Daz and PA models. Rather, it has given me an appreciation for the quality of the good PAs. But the nice thing about having my entry-level modeling skills is that it makes it much easier to adapt the clothing wardrobe that I already have. So I do think there is something to be said for trying to get some basic modeling skills in whatever program of choice, especially if frustrated with the range of content offered. Nothing is stopping us from modeling a loose turtleneck for the G2F for our own use. Just remember to find joy in what you do.
Not everyone will create their own things and even when they do, they may not create everything. It's for this reason that I am a PA, but also a customer who purchases clothing and environments and other things which someone else has made. It may be because I am not good at a particular thing, or someone has made something I might have but has already done it, so it saves me time, or has done it far better than I could have. Sometimes the way someone has imagined something, in a way I hadn't thought about, is intriguing enough for me to purchase. There will always be creators and there will always be consumers as long as someone can make something someone else wants.
"If everyone did start doing their own modeling and such, wouldn't that make it extremely difficult for PAs to make a living? How would a PA make a living if everyone else was making their own models?"
I don't even know how to respond to this. So capitalism and the free market are just...ducky (sorry) until someone else wants to do what you do? If other people start becoming competition, you up your game. You don't limit who can play.
"seriously, if I packed up 10 unique small props like the duck or the pizza slice, less than a buck a piece and sold the collection for $8.99, if DAZ would even bother accepting it for the store ( don't forget we PAs got to spend time making kick a$$ promos for these things as well. how much money would it make? what would these ten items be to target the max numbers of customers? how many customers will put it on their wishlist to get the set a few month from now at 60-70-80-90% off where that $8.99 has now dwindle down to .87cents for the PA's share. Oh yah, we'll be jumping all over that."
You kinda missed the point of what I was suggesting. Don't pack them up, sell ONE or TWO for $2. They don't go on sale, so customers don't wait around, and it would take five minutes to make promos for individual items. I've got an UberEnvironment + spotlight preset that I use on entire scenes, just drop the item in something like that and render from a few angles. You don't need Joelegecko to build a scene for a $2 necktie.
I think Daz has made it so user-friendly to generate computer art that people's expectations have become unreasonable.
No I didn't, just DAZ wont do single items like that, there's too much overhead with individual items, so I suggested the only possible setup that could work which is a pack of props.
Fair enough, but what overhead? Adding a page to the store?
My suggestions are more for what I'd like to see DAZ do as a whole and isn't directed at individual PAs. I know they won't do single items now, I'm just wondering out loud if they did.
Duck prop here http://www.daz3d.com/rub-a-dub-bath-set
birds in daz flew to H store.
Just using rubber ducks as an example. And yeah, it's too bad about Ken and Lisa.
I buy things all of the time.. If I actually have time to render for artistic purposes I'll often retexture things or make small items to fill in where needed. I have no interest in modeling everything in a scene even thoguh I could.
Adam Thwaites has released a rubber duck in his freebie section. I'm also sad, that Lisa and Ken has moved to the other site, but maybe they get better conditions there.
Has anyone said "Daz is listen to their customers?". Looks like they need a hearing aid. Then new Bethany 7 Bundles contains only one "normal" outfit. (Gangster Outfit) And you need to buy again the pro bundle to get it, when you want Bethany too and save some money. ll other outfits are just the same unrealisticc fantasy outfits and poses. I#m sure they never change their concepts.
And they can reap the consequences. No pro bundle (or probably any bundle) for me- once they get the prices fixed so we can even SEE the prices- page 404 errors at 4:30 am. Sigh, still hoping that one day DAZ will fire the webteam and get a new crew that knows how to do websites.
Creating the product in the system, adding the product pages and readmes, categorizing the product, packaging and setting them up for download... (I'm sure I'm forgetting some)
Even for testing, it often takes less resources testing a pack of multiple items than testing all those items as individual products.
"DAZ wont do single items like that, there's too much overhead with individual items"
What overhead?? It's all virtual. It's not like there's limited shelf space. It's a freaking page on their website, which no doubt takes all of five minutes ot put together since everything is on a template.
Customers are people who buy things.
Many people in this topic have said they do not buy things even when they are the kind of outfits they are looking for.
GMAX, is that even still available? I tried hunting that down a few years ago..oh snap it's now on turbosquid. Thanks for that.
There's overhead like keeping track of purchases, doing the tax stuff for sales with IRS, etc. In addition, depending on how DS shop is run, you will have to pay a higher license fee for the webshop software, depending on the number of items in the store.
If you define this as "fixed costs", in addition to the "normal storage&webspace" costs, you will have to cover the comparatively "high" monthly costs with an item which might not sell that often in a month to cover the costs.
But they DID release a more full-figured shape. Which is something people here have been asking for a long time. Given that we have been told many times that the only thing that sells at all are white super-models they have taken quite a risk here, as they listened to their customers.
And then they increased the risk by releasing this shape only two weeks after the last super-model. Because if you walk a tightrope between two skyscrapers you might as well set your shoes on fire while you're at it O_o
It wasn't about what customers said, Daz listened to sales. They stated Olympia did very well, so Daz knew a curvy figure could sell. Whether or not this particular shape does well is anyone's guess, especially because she's not like Olympia, there was recently a morph pack released with some curvy shapes, and it's all so close to Eva's release. Also I'm not so sure what percentage of people have adopted G3F, so the market may not be that big yet.
they couldn't give me that new ...
...save for the Young Teens 5, I've purchased no pro bundles since the Gen 4 days. Back then they included much more useful content like morphs, pose sets, and skins along with a character or two and some hair. Now they are mostly loaded with clothing I would rarely if ever use. hair, and a pose set and a couple characters. Hence I only purchase the base figure hair if it's nice, and what new clothing I actually like. In a sense, I end up building my own bundle.