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I've had a little success at draping v4 dynamic cloth onto a G2F V6. One key is to "fit to" v6 on and off again. It shows v6 as the target in the clothing control tab. then make sure to go from zero pose to your required pose via animated drape so the cloth has time to adjust to the movement. I'm working on getting the cloth closer to avoid the obvious 1cm shadow....
Ah, so.
I've been wondering about this for a long time. I've even read some of these posts before. But I didn't understand very well until today, when I did a few searches on "optitex." I thought Autodesk was high-handed until I took a look around the Optitex site. They wanted me to fill out a form, then request a meeting with them, before they would even give out adequate product information. Autodesk is the soul of accommodation by comparison.
And DAZ3D hitched their wagon to THESE guys? I guess this explains the uses to which DAZ is and is not put. Wow. I never would have guessed DAZ would do anything so self-limiting as this.
Shoganai.
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I like the results, I don't like the whole having to create an animation so I can get the stupid clothes to fit right.
The technology of Dynamic Clothing is superior in Daz, but it's just not very useful since it's limited in scope.
I think the main problem here is that the previous owners of Daz did this deal. I've heard that other Daz 3rd party programmers have been working on a replacement, but it's been years. It's clearly not an easy thing to accomplish and Poser certainly isn't giving out any licenses to it's version.
I've pretty much tried to limit my dynamic clothing to items that need it. I don't need jeans to be dynamic. Most shirts are fine as conforming as well. A leather jacket doesn't really need it. However, flimsy shirts, long coats and even cloaks seem to be where I focus on the most. It's extremely time consuming though. I like the results and I'm doing it as a hobby, so I don't have any deadlines to deal with, so it's not a huge issue.
There are other time consuming issues besides dynamic clothing though. Heck, the new Iray renderer is a bigger time hog than working with dynamic clothing. I'm testing a render of my Adventurers and it's been three days and not a single pixel has rendered yet.
Again, groveling to Khory for that circle skirt, that just works. with a few frames to get the motion going on G2F, and it's ready to render.
So far I've mainly been limiting myself to things like sheets, since it's very hard to do those any other way.
One 'quick and dirty' trick to get V4/M4 dynamic clothes on Genesis 2 figures in DAZ Studio without an animation run is to use a series 4 figure similar in size and shape, and pose it exactly like the G2 with as much overlap as possible.
Then give the series 4 the dynamic clothing of your choice, but make the clothing collide with Genesis 2 in stead of its series 4 'double'.
After draping is finished freeze the cloth, then remove the series 4 figure from the scene.
With many poses this works absolutely fine, but the more complex ones, like sitting poses with crossed legs and bent arms, will still require animation to get right.
Cheers!
Erik
Ah ha, so there has been a major change in authority at DAZ. 8-\
I missed the headlines but have thought for a while that somebody else has been driving. I'm not completely sure I miss the "mom & pop" feel of the store, nor that I completely like the "corporate mentality" that seems to have replaced it. However, I have noticed that releases of DAZ Studio don't seem to be such a hodge podge of goofs anymore.
The Wikipedia entry for DAZ3D doesn't give much information about the company. :-(
..an "open" cloth dynamics system is one of the most requested features on the What would you like to see in Daz Studio 5? thread.
Thanks MacSavers http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewreply/737036/
There website actually looks like it mentions "3D" now :ohh:
Now, IF your into making cloths for real people, there are some outstanding intro vids on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/user/OptiTex
I stopped watching them (months ago) when they got to compatible exportable file formats, and not one of them was a CG format. That combined with other limitations outlined in discussions here about supporting morphs and G2F/G2M shapes, has ended any interest I had.
...the thread I cited is here on the Daz forums.
I started out only using poser for dynamic... hahaha... I'd drape something in poser, export the draped obj and import in daz. HAH.
Then I went on to using poser hair room... not at all nice or easy to use (unlike LAMH)
Poser for poser stuff? like making art? naaaaaaaaaaah, not really ;)
Oh and i use daz dynamics on all figures, from toon generation to generation 3 to near me to Cookie, Chip, and Star. it's definitely do-able.
There doesn´t seem to be market for dynamic clothing since I guess almost nobody has that software required to produce dynamic clothing for daz studio.
I personally love using V4´s dynamic clothing on G2F.
http://toyen-art.deviantart.com/art/Dynamic-Trio-517304514
It's really a 'chicken/egg' thing...
There's no easy way to produce dynamic clothing so there's no market for it so there's no real interest in making it easier to produce...because there's no market for it.
Even with the available items and the included plugin (not going to shell out cash for the 'full' that I'd use so infrequently) I end up doing more simulation in Blender than DS...I find it much easier.
..that;s basically what I did for Gen3/4. For Genesis &G2; one has to deal with DSON whihc can be a real pain. So patiently waiting (and still hoping) Daz will develop a cloth dynamic system that is "open ended" like Poser's/
As to Dynamic Hair, that's why I have Carrara.
It's really a 'chicken/egg' thing...
There's no easy way to produce dynamic clothing so there's no market for it so there's no real interest in making it easier to produce...because there's no market for it.
Even with the available items and the included plugin (not going to shell out cash for the 'full' that I'd use so infrequently) I end up doing more simulation in Blender than DS...I find it much easier.
...same here, can't justify paying 50$ for a plugin that only works with specific clothing content.
Don't grok Blender so stuck with DSON, which while it can be a pain, at least I can get something done.
I must say though Aave Nainen's work is incredible with all the special movement morphs that almost make the clothing seem "dynamic" in nature. Definitely worth the price.
Not meant to be pretty, and certainly not perfect, but a functional example of a posed Vic 6 HD figure with V4 and M4 Optitex dynamic clothes on, draped without animation, using the method I described a few posts back.
The pose is one of the Manly poses for Michael 6.
Cheers!
Erik
And here you can see Victoria 6 HD with the overlapping V4 figure (coloured green) that I used as a rigging tool to make those Optitex dynamic clothes conform to V6's pose without running an animation cycle.
Again, V4 was not used as a collision target, but only as a posing rig for the clothes.
Before starting the actual draping, Victoria 6 was selected as collision target instead.
And believe me, that 50 dollar control plugin is well worth the money for what you can do with it!
Cheers!
Erik
Here's Victoria 6 HD wearing her V4 Angelic robe, and her boyfriend's sweater on top of it.
Again the result of a static drape, no animation sequence was necessary because I used an invisible V4 as a draping rig.
Cheers!
Erik
And again here are Vic 6 and Vic 4 as they are posed over each other as described before.
As you can see the overlap doesn't have to be perfect at all, just good enough to get the clothing in the proper position so it can drape around Vic 6 and collide with her surface.
You could even use a Supersuit or something similar on Vic 6 to get some local offset (in or out) for the dynamic cloth, just make it collide with the Supersuit in stead of Vic 6 herself.
But all of this doesn't work if parts of the body intersect with each other and the cloth gets caught between them.
Then you'll still have to use an animation to get a good drape, if you want any chance of it to work at all.
Cheers!
Erik
Carrara has some cloth through softbody physics, but users have found that calculation times are abysmal unless the cloth only interacts wih other cloth - which is achieved by creating softbody attach panels as “underwear” for the clothed figure. Just uncheck visibility for the undersuit. It is very much still in the early stage as people determine best practices for creating the softbody attach undersuit and best settings for different types of fabric (leather reacts differently than cotton). But it does work, and I occasionally use it in my workflow in places that I used to rely on export of objs created in Poser’s cloth room. Definitely not perfect.
For animations
- and an example of how draped Carrara cloth over an animated figure with invisible undersuit is here
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/49954/P360/#765003
- an example of how the underwear/undersuit works is here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfKfiP5YTto&feature=youtu.be
Here is an example of draped cloth in Carrara, but you can make the fabric more stiff like leather or less stiff by adjusting settings.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/49954/P285/#763180
For stills, you can see two examples of rather stiff looking cloth for A3 here (just a test render of a skin shader but the skirt is draped over a bent leg).
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/53931/#785984 (edit: this example is actually a morphed Genesis 2 female)
and here
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/49954/P195/#757931
with the undersuit construction for the second example demonstrated here
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/49954/P195/#758041
You can see the same concept applied for a long skirt for a custom genesis figure here
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/49954/P210/#758514
A quick guide to links explaining some of the concepts for applying this cloth to posed figures and animated figures in Carrara is here
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/49954/P210/#758192
Too nice a drape on its own to let it go to waste completely : )
DAZ-Optitex Dynamic Angelic robe for V4 on Victoria 6 HD, draped without animation cycle in DAZ Studio 4.7.
Cheers!
Erik
Optitex Overall for V4 on Victoria 6 HD, single frame (static) simulation in DAZ Studio 4.7.
Long sleeves are often problematic, and usually take some fiddling to get the underarms neatly inside.
Erik
Another Optitex Overall for V4 on Victoria 6 HD.
Single frame (static) simulation in DAZ Studio 4.7.
The hips and knees of this pose really are beyond what should be attempted with this draping method.
Still, some tender loving Photoshop care will easily hide the bad spots in this one.
In my experience an animated drape to a pose like this will most likely yield an imperfect result as well, maybe even worse.
Draping dynamic clothing is sort of a gamble, every time the outcome is different, and success never guaranteed.
But when it works it's well worth the effort!
Cheers!
Erik
An example of something some may not know already:
These OptiTex dynamic overalls were made for M4, and are normally way too large to fit Victoria 6.
Since the size of dynamic clothes cannot be changed in DAZ Studio, the only way to make them fit V6 is to temporarily make Victoria as tall as M4.
So I scaled Victoria 6 and her invisible V4 draping double up to 105%, posed them, and draped the garment like I did the others.
After draping I froze the garment, parented it to Victoria 6, and scaled Victoria 6 back to her original dimensions.
Being parented to Victoria, the clothing (now a 'simple' mesh) followed her shrinking down.
Subsequently converting the garment's frozen mesh to SubD (level 2) and adding a smoothing modifier to it (at value 2) made it look a lot better than it did at first.
Cheers!
Erik
Yup, it was a dud for me too. I still have all those clothing items I bought when there was allot of excitement and the promise of a way to make our own. After the wall of silence about that last bit started I stopped buying dynamic clothing. Soon after that DAZ or someone in the know stated that the ability to make our own was nixed for what ever reason.
Not sure if Alex and Ken are still working on a dynamics engine... they have been extremely quiet lately so one can only hope.
Most of the time! lol
Simple speed and no setting up. Conforming Cloths you move it, it works straight away!Unfortunately the downside of all conforming cloth's undeniable ease of use is unacceptable to me (most of the time).
So even if I'd much rather spend all that time doing other things, I'll use dynamics everywhere I can.
Erik