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  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,245

    The 2.99 +20% off sale worked perfectly for me on Christmas Day. Now I see a notice with the $2.99 specials that say "usable once per customer." Today, the $2.99 works for me, the extra 20% off with new item: no. That didn't work yesterday, either. Does that mean I'm outta luck for that price for the rest of this special? And there is a $2.99 item I would buy. I'm guessing the New Years Countdown will go to the New Year. If I buy that $2.99 item today, does that mean it will be broken tomorrow and through New Year's? It is confusing. Any clarity from anyone?

  • SempieSempie Posts: 659

    The $2.99 deal is such a mess, causing different problems on different days for different people, that nobody knows what's going on. or how to fix it.

     

    Just enjoy the ride and be happy if you get any sort of sale prices at all.... And be prepared that the next day, things might not work again.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,245
    Sempie said:

    The $2.99 deal is such a mess, causing different problems on different days for different people, that nobody knows what's going on. or how to fix it.

     

    Just enjoy the ride and be happy if you get any sort of sale prices at all.... And be prepared that the next day, things might not work again.

    I agree. Thanks Semple

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,533
    Torquinox said:
    Sempie said:

    The $2.99 deal is such a mess, causing different problems on different days for different people, that nobody knows what's going on. or how to fix it.

     

    Just enjoy the ride and be happy if you get any sort of sale prices at all.... And be prepared that the next day, things might not work again.

    I agree. Thanks Semple

    This is why it will never be fixed, why should Daz bother if people just except it.

  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,139

    OK, I bought some deal items at $2.99 this morning.  Putting a new item in the cart brought them up to a higher price, so I deleted that.  After that, I could put a new item in the cart and get more items for $2.99 (no extra 20% discount).

     

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,245
    edited December 2019

    @scorpio: Ok. What am I supposed to do? Kick and scream? If it's a big enough deal, I can make a trouble ticket. I'll get an answer in a few or several days. Or maybe the sale on New Years will work perfectly. Plus, I already have tons of content - nothing like the guy with 500 pages, but more than enough. If the situation today doesn't suit me, I can wait. wink

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  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,533
    Torquinox said:

    @scorpio: Ok. What am I supposed to do? Kick and scream? If it's a big enough deal, I can make a trouble ticket. I'll get an answer in a few or several days. Or maybe the sale on New Years will work perfectly. Plus, I already have tons of content - nothing like the guy with 500 pages, but more than enough. If the situation today doesn't suit me, I can wait. wink

    Stop buying and certainly don't post ''oh its ok no problem'', they are advertising a price for something, what would you do if your local store had a price on something but the checkout refused to ring that price up would you just except it?

  • Torquinox said:

    The 2.99 +20% off sale worked perfectly for me on Christmas Day. Now I see a notice with the $2.99 specials that say "usable once per customer." Today, the $2.99 works for me, the extra 20% off with new item: no. That didn't work yesterday, either. Does that mean I'm outta luck for that price for the rest of this special? And there is a $2.99 item I would buy. I'm guessing the New Years Countdown will go to the New Year. If I buy that $2.99 item today, does that mean it will be broken tomorrow and through New Year's? It is confusing. Any clarity from anyone?

    As I recall (cuz we got questions about it all the time) the notice has always been there. It is meant to be usable once per day, problems withstanding, which Daz has continued to try, but, as with the mods who have tried, it continues to work as expected. Frustrating on both ends.

  • SempieSempie Posts: 659
    edited December 2019

     

    scorpio said:
    Torquinox said:
    Sempie said:

    The $2.99 deal is such a mess, causing different problems on different days for different people, that nobody knows what's going on. or how to fix it.

     

    Just enjoy the ride and be happy if you get any sort of sale prices at all.... And be prepared that the next day, things might not work again.

    I agree. Thanks Semple

    This is why it will never be fixed, why should Daz bother if people just except it.

    Haven't bought a thing here for a week, been spending my money at Mankahoo and Renderosity....

    And whatever items I missed at $2.99 will only be bought for $2.99 or less, at future sales, or not at all...

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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,133
    Torquinox said:

    The 2.99 +20% off sale worked perfectly for me on Christmas Day. Now I see a notice with the $2.99 specials that say "usable once per customer." Today, the $2.99 works for me, the extra 20% off with new item: no. That didn't work yesterday, either. Does that mean I'm outta luck for that price for the rest of this special? And there is a $2.99 item I would buy. I'm guessing the New Years Countdown will go to the New Year. If I buy that $2.99 item today, does that mean it will be broken tomorrow and through New Year's? It is confusing. Any clarity from anyone?

    As I recall (cuz we got questions about it all the time) the notice has always been there. It is meant to be usable once per day, problems withstanding, which Daz has continued to try, but, as with the mods who have tried, it continues to work as expected. Frustrating on both ends.

    Did anyone at Daz try creating a new account and see if it worked in a non-Daz related cart? Every time I add a new item to the cart, the $2.99 items shoot up to $9.95 except today when they stay at $2.99 and don't get the extra discount. Many people here have the exact same experience. So maybe Daz should try creating several new accounts with different email addresses and see if they can reproduce the problem...

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,245

    @scorpio: You're right, but I think it's all going to work out just fine.

    @Cris: Thanks. I understand .

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,271
    edited December 2019
    scorpio said:
    Torquinox said:
    Sempie said:

    The $2.99 deal is such a mess, causing different problems on different days for different people, that nobody knows what's going on. or how to fix it.

     

    Just enjoy the ride and be happy if you get any sort of sale prices at all.... And be prepared that the next day, things might not work again.

    I agree. Thanks Semple

    This is why it will never be fixed, why should Daz bother if people just except it.

    Or even notice it.  For every person who complains here, there are probably hundreds who put the items in the cart and never notice that they're not getting the price advertised.  It's like the hotels that advertise a super-low price and then stick in a daily "resort fee" in the fine print... a lot of people never notice or assume that their kids were watching pay per view movies.  I stayed at the Stratosphere in Vegas once for the Consumer Electronics Show and discovered that they were charging a wi-fi fee per device connected rather than by room, and the complexity of DAZ's marketing gibberish often makes the Vegas Casinos' boilerplate look like the work of rank amateurs. 

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,271
    Torquinox said:

    @scorpio: Ok. What am I supposed to do? Kick and scream? If it's a big enough deal, I can make a trouble ticket. I'll get an answer in a few or several days. Or maybe the sale on New Years will work perfectly. Plus, I already have tons of content - nothing like the guy with 500 pages,

    Er... that would be me, though there are people with even more content.  The thing is, I picked up all that content at an average of 20 cents on the dollar by watching the sales closely, taking full advantage of every offer and making sure that I'm not getting charged a penny more than I should be...and the best way to make sure that that doesn't happen is to complain about problems as soon as I see them happening.  The sad fact is that while the squeaky wheel may be annoying as hell,  it DOES get the grease.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,271
    Sempie said:

     

    scorpio said:
    Torquinox said:
    Sempie said:

    The $2.99 deal is such a mess, causing different problems on different days for different people, that nobody knows what's going on. or how to fix it.

     

    Just enjoy the ride and be happy if you get any sort of sale prices at all.... And be prepared that the next day, things might not work again.

    I agree. Thanks Semple

    This is why it will never be fixed, why should Daz bother if people just except it.

    Haven't bought a thing here for a week, been spending my money at Mankahoo and Renderosity....

     

    I always forget about Mankahoo. 

  • SempieSempie Posts: 659
    Cybersox said:
    Sempie said:
     

     

    I always forget about Mankahoo. 

    They only go on sale once per year, over the three days of Christmas - everything in the store at 50%

  • Cybersox said:
    scorpio said:
    Torquinox said:
    Sempie said:

    The $2.99 deal is such a mess, causing different problems on different days for different people, that nobody knows what's going on. or how to fix it.

     

    Just enjoy the ride and be happy if you get any sort of sale prices at all.... And be prepared that the next day, things might not work again.

    I agree. Thanks Semple

    This is why it will never be fixed, why should Daz bother if people just except it.

    Or even notice it.  For every person who complains here, there are probably hundreds who put the items in the cart and never notice that they're not getting the price advertised.  It's like the hotels that advertise a super-low price and then stick in a daily "resort fee" in the fine print... a lot of people never notice or assume that their kids were watching pay per view movies.  I stayed at the Stratosphere in Vegas once for the Consumer Electronics Show and discovered that they were charging a wi-fi fee per device connected rather than by room, and the complexity of DAZ's marketing gibberish often makes the Vegas Casinos' boilerplate look like the work of rank amateurs. 

    Daz is well aware of the issue, considering how often we have raised it with them and they have tried to track it down. We've also suggested that people open support tickets to get a refund on the overcharge, or even try opening a ticket showing that the price should have been $2.99 (less loyalty, if  appropriate) at the time of posting and asking to pruchase the items at the quoted price. I have no doubt that Daz staff are pretty much as frustrated over this as customers are.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,245

    I didn't mean to touch a nerve with anyone. Until a few days ago, I didn't even realize this forum was here. Yes, the pricing is weird sometimes.  Yes, some of the sale language is hard to follow. OK. Maybe I'm wrong, but that doesn't especially bother me. If the price is a problem, I don't buy the item(s). If it's important enough, I make a trouble ticket, and it gets resolved. I'm with @Cybersox on the bargain-hunting. 500 pages! That's impressive!

  • Using Cris's lovely calculator (thanks for that!!  :) ) I found that the two Lion products are not giving the correct discount.  With the PC+, 70% off and my loyalty, the 39.95 should have been 5.87, and the 24.95 should have been 3.67.  Or are these not supposed to get the PC+ discount?   Great price on the bundles, tho....thanks, Daz!

    PC discount is for items owned by Daz, the lions aren't so it won't apply.

  • Using Cris's lovely calculator (thanks for that!!  :) ) I found that the two Lion products are not giving the correct discount.  With the PC+, 70% off and my loyalty, the 39.95 should have been 5.87, and the 24.95 should have been 3.67.  Or are these not supposed to get the PC+ discount?   Great price on the bundles, tho....thanks, Daz!

    PC discount is for items owned by Daz, the lions aren't so it won't apply.

    Thanks, Richard!

  • James_HJames_H Posts: 1,091

    OK, just for the record (I don't care) but today the $2.99 wasn't working. I logged out and could put one $2.99 in the cart at $2.99, and then a second; and then when I put a debut new release in everything discounted further. I logged in and the $2.99 items which had discounted went back to $2.99; and then I removed the debut new release; and the $2.99 went back to $9.95.

  • SempieSempie Posts: 659
    jash147 said:

    OK, just for the record (I don't care) but today the $2.99 wasn't working. I logged out and could put one $2.99 in the cart at $2.99, and then a second; and then when I put a debut new release in everything discounted further. I logged in and the $2.99 items which had discounted went back to $2.99; and then I removed the debut new release; and the $2.99 went back to $9.95.

    Yup, that's what I've been getting for the past seven days...

  • WandWWandW Posts: 2,891

    After working for me all week, $2.99 items are $9.95 today...

  • SempieSempie Posts: 659
    WandW said:

    After working for me all week, $2.99 items are $9.95 today...

    Have you done anything yesterday at the DAZ store, that you did not do before, that could have triggered it...?

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,271
    Sempie said:
    Cybersox said:
    Sempie said:
     

     

    I always forget about Mankahoo. 

    They only go on sale once per year, over the three days of Christmas - everything in the store at 50%

    I know.  And I always forget... ;/  There are just too many smaller stores to keep track of. 

  • EllessarrEllessarr Posts: 1,395

    yeah the 20% extra discount over the 2,99 stuffs buying new releases is really not working for me too, it worked yesterday  but today is not working.

  • AZDigitalArtistAZDigitalArtist Posts: 806
    edited December 2019

    I didn't buy anything at all yesterday, and the 2.99 sale doesn't work today, not since I think 12/23.    The 70% off sale says "top 19 people and top 19 animals".....maybe tomorrow we will get top 19 wearables, etc.?

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  • AZDigitalArtistAZDigitalArtist Posts: 806
    edited December 2019

    I'm with Cybersox.....love getting great bargains....

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,249
    Cybersox said:
    Cybersox said:
    Cybersox said:

    We appreciate the acknowledgement. Please  keep in mind that the forums are mainly peer-to-peer. Daz does comment through it's customer service department where they attempt to address problems you may encounter. We understand the desire to comment and complain when things are not working, but the ticket system is the only place where Daz actually interfaces with its customers to try to find solutions. The mods can only do so much; we're mostly volunteers.

    And this, ultimately, may be the biggest part of the problem.  Everything about the way DAZ does things is designed so that price changes and new sales go into effect at a time when the people responsible for creating those changes are gone, not just for the day but often for entire weekends.  There seems to be a mentality at DAZ that they're running a business with normal office hours, whereas what they're really doing is running a 24-hour, round the clock webstore. If, instead of relying on a goup of volunteers who're outside the actual mechanics of the store to be the front line and take the heat for problems, the people who actually caused the problem would have to do it, I suspect that most these issues would have been solved a long time ago, and the marketing gimmicks wouldn't be nearly as complex and elaborate.        

    I suppose it is a case of how much an organisation cares about reliability and how much they are willing to pay for it. When I worked doing enhancements and support on a website we had 24 hour 7 day cover. There was a mobile phone that was the out of hours support number, we took turns to carry it and if we got a call we would log in remotely and try to fix it. And we had some users who seemed to stay up all night ready to ring up anytime they saw something on the site that they didn't like. They paid us an on call allowance and when we got a call they paid us overtime for working on it, And when we did a major change we often arranged it for late night or early morning and were in the office to do it. We didn't actually sell anything through the site but they considered it to be a vital part of the company's commiunication with the public. But that was for a company that had a lot of things that ran 24/7 so it was part of the company's culture. Before the website I worked on internal company systems and for the critical ones we had the same arrangement.

    The point has been made previously that the entire absentee support staff issue could be avoided simply by launching new sales at that START of the DAZ work day, or at DAZ Noon, rather than in the middle of the night. 

    True but the problem here is they want to keep putting up new offers over Christmas to catch all the people at home for the holidays and shopping online but this is the time when there isn't anyone in the office.

    There are people working at WalMart, aren't there? At Sears?  Target? Amazon? Dominos Pizza? It's what I was saying earlier in the thread - DAZ is trying to operate by the rules of a 9-5 office, but the BUSINESS that they're in is a 24 hour retail store with customers around the world. 

    Practically all online stores run 24/7, but it's probably a minority that can afford 24/7 customer service (and some of those who can underpay their workers).  DAZ could probably provide it if they wanted, but that would most likely mean higher content prices and then customers would start complaining about that instead and probably buy less.  As always, you get what you pay for.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,271
    edited December 2019
    Taoz said:
    Cybersox said:
    Cybersox said:
    Cybersox said:

    We appreciate the acknowledgement. Please  keep in mind that the forums are mainly peer-to-peer. Daz does comment through it's customer service department where they attempt to address problems you may encounter. We understand the desire to comment and complain when things are not working, but the ticket system is the only place where Daz actually interfaces with its customers to try to find solutions. The mods can only do so much; we're mostly volunteers.

    And this, ultimately, may be the biggest part of the problem.  Everything about the way DAZ does things is designed so that price changes and new sales go into effect at a time when the people responsible for creating those changes are gone, not just for the day but often for entire weekends.  There seems to be a mentality at DAZ that they're running a business with normal office hours, whereas what they're really doing is running a 24-hour, round the clock webstore. If, instead of relying on a goup of volunteers who're outside the actual mechanics of the store to be the front line and take the heat for problems, the people who actually caused the problem would have to do it, I suspect that most these issues would have been solved a long time ago, and the marketing gimmicks wouldn't be nearly as complex and elaborate.        

    I suppose it is a case of how much an organisation cares about reliability and how much they are willing to pay for it. When I worked doing enhancements and support on a website we had 24 hour 7 day cover. There was a mobile phone that was the out of hours support number, we took turns to carry it and if we got a call we would log in remotely and try to fix it. And we had some users who seemed to stay up all night ready to ring up anytime they saw something on the site that they didn't like. They paid us an on call allowance and when we got a call they paid us overtime for working on it, And when we did a major change we often arranged it for late night or early morning and were in the office to do it. We didn't actually sell anything through the site but they considered it to be a vital part of the company's commiunication with the public. But that was for a company that had a lot of things that ran 24/7 so it was part of the company's culture. Before the website I worked on internal company systems and for the critical ones we had the same arrangement.

    The point has been made previously that the entire absentee support staff issue could be avoided simply by launching new sales at that START of the DAZ work day, or at DAZ Noon, rather than in the middle of the night. 

    True but the problem here is they want to keep putting up new offers over Christmas to catch all the people at home for the holidays and shopping online but this is the time when there isn't anyone in the office.

    There are people working at WalMart, aren't there? At Sears?  Target? Amazon? Dominos Pizza? It's what I was saying earlier in the thread - DAZ is trying to operate by the rules of a 9-5 office, but the BUSINESS that they're in is a 24 hour retail store with customers around the world. 

    Practically all online stores run 24/7, but it's probably a minority that can afford 24/7 customer service (and some of those who can underpay their workers). 

    This is true, but those stores don't normally run sales as complex as DAZ's, or do the changeovers during non-working hours.  Ultimately, this kind of problem is the direct result of DAZ's own decision to try to make the software equivalent of a Chevy Vega do the same thing as a Harrier Jet while everyone involved is at home in bed, dreaming that the whole thing didn't just explode on the launch pad.  The ultimate truth in business is You can do something fast, you can do something cheap, or you can do something well.  Doing one of those is easy, doing two at the same is a lot more difficult but acheivable.  Doing all three at the same time requires having Angels at your back, Excaliber in your hand, and signed deals with both Lucifer and Murphy to stay out of the way.          

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,249
    Cybersox said:
    Taoz said:
    Cybersox said:
    Cybersox said:
    Cybersox said:

     

    There are people working at WalMart, aren't there? At Sears?  Target? Amazon? Dominos Pizza? It's what I was saying earlier in the thread - DAZ is trying to operate by the rules of a 9-5 office, but the BUSINESS that they're in is a 24 hour retail store with customers around the world. 

    Practically all online stores run 24/7, but it's probably a minority that can afford 24/7 customer service (and some of those who can underpay their workers). 

    This is true, but those stores don't normally run sales as complex as DAZ's, or do the changeovers during non-working hours.  Ultimately, this kind of problem is the direct result of DAZ's own decision to try to make the software equivalent of a Chevy Vega do the same thing as a Harrier Jet while everyone involved is at home in bed, dreaming that the whole thing didn't just explode on the launch pad.  The ultimate truth in business is You can do something fast, you can do something cheap, or you can do something well.  Doing one of those is easy, doing two at the same is a lot more difficult but acheivable.  Doing all three at the same time requires having Angels at your back, Excaliber in your hand, and signed deals with both Lucifer and Murphy to stay out of the way.          

    Well I do agree about the overcomplexity of the sales, and wonder why they keep on with this with all those problems there are, and the confusion it causes with their customers (even when it works correctly).   

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