Genesis 8: Some Stats and our Thanks

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  • fastbike1fastbike1 Posts: 4,078

    @Bookie  "First autofit tests of hair doesn't work, neither older hair nor fiber hair are positioned correctly on g8f."

    You will note that the Genesis 8 backward compatibility doesn't promise V4, only the various Genesis figures. I haven't had any issues fitting Genesis, Genesis 2, and Genesis 3 hair from any vendor.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    Should be easy enough tho to parent older hair to G8 rather than fit it to. That way you can scale it as you need to and still have all the bones and morphs.

    Laurie

  • 3anson3anson Posts: 314

    Bryce and Hexagon have VERY old core coding. i am not a developer but i do think that updating and recompiling these apps to work in a modern( 64bit) environment

    is probably extremely difficult, possibly even impossible.  it could even mean they would have to be completely rebuilt from scratch( Bryce's materials are extremely complex to set up, in my experience( admittedly limited ) and its render engine is excellent, but again, very old coding.

    Hexagon is a pretty damn good sub-d modeller( sadly i could never get on with it, so i bought Silo, again not very intuitive, then i bit the bullet and bought Modo 401, with which i had created a usable prop within hours of first opening it, haven't looked back since. kept going on the upgrading up to 901, which does everything i will need from a polygon/sub-d modeller)

    but some people have and continue to create excellent products with Hexagon( including some very well known PA's wink ) if it could be recompiled to work in 64bit, and kept at a reasonable price, i am sure more people would adopt it and start creating awesome productssmiley

     

  • HeadwaxHeadwax Posts: 10,409
    edited June 2017
    Stezza said:

    Carrara 9?

     

    about time @daz_steve

     

    oooh! Oooo! That would be the big news they are talking about for the back half of the year? 

    Yes Carrara 9 , about time, thanks. 

     

     

     

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  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited June 2017
    DAZ_Steve said:

    We have some really big things planned for the back half of this year.  We think it will surprise and impress a lot of you.  We understand that change is not without pain, but we are committed to always improving, advancing, and moving forward.  We're pleased that so many of you have chosen to take that journey with us.

     

    I'm worried about that line. For me, nothing good comes out of something like that.

    So what, subscription/paying for access to the program? Losing DIM? (I doubt you guys have dropped DRM and encryption). 

    The idea of spending so much money just to be forced out of a beloved hobby is terrifying to me, as Daz is a massive part of my life now. 

    I know to some that this reaction is over the top, but, if you knew me, this is me being rational.

    Rational would be realizing that what you have now will always work, so no need to be forced out of anything other than progress..

    Except that I've actually had a program (well, specifically an app for a tablet) become useless because a company decided that their cloud service was going to get cut to the bare bones of the program and future use (or using the on-line version of the program) was going to require subscription.  So I could no longer share the work between my desktop (with the older, no longer supported, but fully functioning app) and my tablet, because the only way the two could talk to each other was through the cloud service, which wouldn't save the tags/metadata without a subscription.

    So, yes, sometimes what you have does stop working.

    Indeed.

    This has always been my objection to what Daz did with Connect when they added the DRM component.

    ... But what they've done with G8, little change to the mesh, same UVs and Victoria 8 the same UVs as the base is very encouraging.

     

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  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    So do I understand right that G1, G2, and G3 materials will work on G8?  I see that the clothes will but was wondering about the skins.

    A product here at Daz, that seems to do a good job; I use a converter from elsewhere. It literally converts the textures, which is more time-consuming the Daz alternative, but I prefer it.

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,393

    Oooooh, oooooh, I agree.

     

     

    head wax said:
    Stezza said:

    Carrara 9?

     

    about time @daz_steve

     

    oooh! Oooo! That would be the big news they are talking about for the back half of the year? 

    Yes Carrara 9 , about time, thanks. 

     

     

     

     

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,393
    edited June 2017

    Daz does not have to use the same code as Carrara, Hexagon,or Bryce,  just has to provide the same functions,.  Do it from scratch within Studio if preferered.  If Daz can't, then Studio is moving backwards in some dimensions. 

     

    Fact.. 

     

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    3anson said:

    Bryce and Hexagon have VERY old core coding.

    Post edited by Diomede on
  • Muon QuarkMuon Quark Posts: 573

    Can someone say if they are working on making V8 compatible with V4?  No worries if you can't say.  I understand.  I'll just say I would be sold on V8 if that happens.  I have skins and clothes from all versions (V4/M4, G1, G2, and G3) that I love.  I mean I bought them for a reason and I still love them.  I would hate to not be able to use them on G8.  Just hope someone can make that happen.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,692

    Can someone say if they are working on making V8 compatible with V4?  No worries if you can't say.  I understand.  I'll just say I would be sold on V8 if that happens.  I have skins and clothes from all versions (V4/M4, G1, G2, and G3) that I love.  I mean I bought them for a reason and I still love them.  I would hate to not be able to use them on G8.  Just hope someone can make that happen.

    You could autofit the V4 items to Genesis 1, save that, and then autofit that to G8.

  • Can someone say if they are working on making V8 compatible with V4?  No worries if you can't say.  I understand.  I'll just say I would be sold on V8 if that happens.  I have skins and clothes from all versions (V4/M4, G1, G2, and G3) that I love.  I mean I bought them for a reason and I still love them.  I would hate to not be able to use them on G8.  Just hope someone can make that happen.

    Clothes from all Genesis Generations will work now; skin textures from generations prior to Genesis 3 will have to be converted first. the Genesis 3 textures are mostly the same as the new figure.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,189
    Diomede said:

    Daz does not have to use the same code as Carrara, Hexagon,or Bryce,  just has to provide the same functions,.  Do it from scratch within Studio if preferered.  If Daz can't, then Studio is moving backwards in some dimensions. 

     

    Fact.. 

     

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    3anson said:

    Bryce and Hexagon have VERY old core coding.

    well I would settle for them integrating the features of Hexagon, Carrara and Bryce in DAZ studio but that too may need new code from the ground up to do things I take for granted like animated textures, volumetric clouds, physics and particles.

  • HeadwaxHeadwax Posts: 10,409
    Diomede said:

    Oooooh, oooooh, I agree.

     

     

    head wax said:
    Stezza said:

    Carrara 9?

     

    about time @daz_steve

     

    oooh! Oooo! That would be the big news they are talking about for the back half of the year? 

    Yes Carrara 9 , about time, thanks. 

     

     

     

     

    that's great news about Carrara 9, thank you. We thought the day would never come.

     

  • CypherFOXCypherFOX Posts: 3,401

    Greetings,

    head wax said:

    that's great news about Carrara 9, thank you. We thought the day would never come.

    Oh come on, people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  Is it impossible for you to be happy, or wish well for folks who choose a different tool than you?  I own Carrara myself.  I do hope Carrara gets an update at some point; it'd be wonderful.  This isn't the venue for that.  DAZ Studio is going to be getting better, and that is great news ALSO!

    I really do understand the concern...  To mangle Lion in Winter...  (Carrara will be playing the part of Prince Geoffrey, and DAZ the part of Henry II.)

    Carrara: No one ever thinks of DAZ and mentions Carrara, why is that?

    DAZ: Isn't being a powerful multi-tool enough?

    Carrara: It's not the power I feel deprived of; it's the mention I miss. There's no affection for me here; you wouldn't think I'd want that, would you?

    In this story, I'm not sure if DAZ Studio is Prince John or Prince Richard...both have some amusing metaphors that can be drawn.

    ...but this thread is celebrating the success of Victoria 8 and the potential for new, cool DAZ Studio changes.  There's great things happening.  It's okay to be excited about features and products that aren't for your primary/preferred tool.

    --  Morgan

     

  • head wax said:
    Diomede said:

    Oooooh, oooooh, I agree.

     

     

    head wax said:
    Stezza said:

    Carrara 9?

     

    about time @daz_steve

     

    oooh! Oooo! That would be the big news they are talking about for the back half of the year? 

    Yes Carrara 9 , about time, thanks. 

     

     

     

     

    that's great news about Carrara 9, thank you. We thought the day would never come.

     

    It isnt even confirmed yet LMAO it most likely does not exist because Daz stopped development on Cararra years ago 

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    th3Digit said:
    Diomede said:

    Daz does not have to use the same code as Carrara, Hexagon,or Bryce,  just has to provide the same functions,.  Do it from scratch within Studio if preferered.  If Daz can't, then Studio is moving backwards in some dimensions. 

     

    Fact.. 

     

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    3anson said:

    Bryce and Hexagon have VERY old core coding.

    well I would settle for them integrating the features of Hexagon, Carrara and Bryce in DAZ studio but that too may need new code from the ground up to do things I take for granted like animated textures, volumetric clouds, physics and particles.

    UH Uh,  no way.    Bryce is unique and still used by whole loads of people, same as Carrara is.  We have had threads in the specific  forums trying to prove to Daz that Carrara and Bryce people use content from the Daz store, and that is non specific content, We spend money, in the same way that D|S users do, we have large product libraries, some of us have larger product libraries than some D|S users.  We do not want to be integrated into another program, thankyou. You will never find a true Bryce afficonado suggesting that, nor a true Carrara enthusiast.   If you integrate several programs into one you get a JOAT  rather than an expert program,  and I don't know about you, but I would always employ the expert rather than the JOAT when I needed something done.

  • PedroCPedroC Posts: 200

    1271/5000

    I think we have just started to walk an interesting path (two years), and there are still many things to discover this new stage that opens with Genesis 8. One of the things I like most is the relative ease with That it is possible to use the previous content without any great added trauma and that would not have appeared already when Genesis 3 was introduced.

    It is too early to speak and there are many tests to be done. At least for me at this stage something important will be the ability to use new content in previous versions especially with Genesis 3 (just the opposite until what now seems to have been happening).

    Not a week has passed since the release of Genesis 8. And at least in my case I start to see this new line as a fantastic addition to all the content I already have and not so much as an element that comes to replace and make semi useless To what it already had. I just hope and wish that the problems that come up appearing will resolve very quickly and that the PA's think that the new content can be used with Genesis 3.

    We will see over time how the experience is with the use of new figures, but so far what I am seeing is pleasing me more than I expected.

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,393

    I want to nominate Redz and SickleYield for a Nobel Prize.  Here is a thread with a very clear explanation of converting older genesis generation morphs for use with genesis 8. 

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/2532336/#Comment_2532336

     

    Makes me happy that I spent the money to invest in V8, and makes me hopeful for the path of Studio development.  Thank you, Daz, Redz, and SickleYield.  yes

  • JimbowJimbow Posts: 557

    No way I'll be spending all that money on HD morphs again ;) I'm sure G8's got some new bells and whistles, and I don't mind using displacement nearly as much as others do, but locking end users out from creating their own HD morphs is looking a bit tired and cynical these days after buying HD assets for multiple versions of Genesis so far. There should at least be an upgrade price path available, especially given the information for who has what is readily available. But that's only my opinion and it isn't my company.

  • LilithVXLilithVX Posts: 36
    edited June 2017

    I bought the V8 Pro Bundle and the G8F body and head morphs, and I love it! When I tested with existing scenes I had, (same lightning, hair, converted clothing, etc) my G8F looks better than my G3F. And in better I mean look more "alive". Also at least in the preview window testing with iray, G8F renders faster. The few things missing right now are more morphs, especially related to the chest area and the behind; movement and realism morphs for pressure. Shape morphs I can create myself. I did the same for claws and fangs, for my vampire digital self that is. Another thing I want is a morph for V8's eyebrowns, I prefer them thinner. Working with them is a bit of a pain because all hair are individual meshes.

    Oh, and to add to the Hexagon discussion; I need and want an update, too. Even if I have 3DS Max 2015/17, Silo and Blender I always go back to Hexagon because it's so easy to use. And work with Daz Studio with mininal effort. Unfortunately it crashes all the time, it's really the most frustrating and also to me one of the (still) best 3D programs out there.

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  • HeadwaxHeadwax Posts: 10,409
    Chohole said:
    th3Digit said:
    Diomede said:

    Daz does not have to use the same code as Carrara, Hexagon,or Bryce,  just has to provide the same functions,.  Do it from scratch within Studio if preferered.  If Daz can't, then Studio is moving backwards in some dimensions. 

     

    Fact.. 

     

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    3anson said:

    Bryce and Hexagon have VERY old core coding.

    well I would settle for them integrating the features of Hexagon, Carrara and Bryce in DAZ studio but that too may need new code from the ground up to do things I take for granted like animated textures, volumetric clouds, physics and particles.

    UH Uh,  no way.    Bryce is unique and still used by whole loads of people, same as Carrara is.  We have had threads in the specific  forums trying to prove to Daz that Carrara and Bryce people use content from the Daz store, and that is non specific content, We spend money, in the same way that D|S users do, we have large product libraries, some of us have larger product libraries than some D|S users.  We do not want to be integrated into another program, thankyou. You will never find a true Bryce afficonado suggesting that, nor a true Carrara enthusiast.   If you integrate several programs into one you get a JOAT  rather than an expert program,  and I don't know about you, but I would always employ the expert rather than the JOAT when I needed something done.

    thanks Chohole , nicely said. 

     

  • HeadwaxHeadwax Posts: 10,409
    edited June 2017
    CypherFOX said:

    Greetings,

    head wax said:

    that's great news about Carrara 9, thank you. We thought the day would never come.

    Oh come on, people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  Is it impossible for you to be happy, or wish well for folks who choose a different tool than you?  I own Carrara myself.  I do hope Carrara gets an update at some point; it'd be wonderful.  This isn't the venue for that.  DAZ Studio is going to be getting better, and that is great news ALSO!

    I really do understand the concern...  To mangle Lion in Winter...  (Carrara will be playing the part of Prince Geoffrey, and DAZ the part of Henry II.)

    Carrara: No one ever thinks of DAZ and mentions Carrara, why is that?

    DAZ: Isn't being a powerful multi-tool enough?

    Carrara: It's not the power I feel deprived of; it's the mention I miss. There's no affection for me here; you wouldn't think I'd want that, would you?

    In this story, I'm not sure if DAZ Studio is Prince John or Prince Richard...both have some amusing metaphors that can be drawn.

    ...but this thread is celebrating the success of Victoria 8 and the potential for new, cool DAZ Studio changes.  There's great things happening.  It's okay to be excited about features and products that aren't for your primary/preferred tool.

    --  Morgan

     

    hi 'Morgan, that's great news . I am so pleased for you.

    Post edited by Headwax on
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,189

    oh I agree on the uniqueness of Carrara and Bryce but we are not going to see anymore development by looks so will take what crumbs I can, a fleshed out DAZ studio will not stop me using Carrara but would at least get me using DAZ studio more without as much swearing.

  • HeadwaxHeadwax Posts: 10,409
    th3Digit said:

    oh I agree on the uniqueness of Carrara and Bryce but we are not going to see anymore development by looks so will take what crumbs I can, a fleshed out DAZ studio will not stop me using Carrara but would at least get me using DAZ studio more without as much swearing.

    there must be someone in daz who thinks with their heart more than their wallet

     

     

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,088

    I am thankful for the numbering change; being able to say 'G8' or 'Gen8' without clarifying whether I mean Generation or Genesis is nice!

     

  • 3anson3anson Posts: 314

    kk, some people seem to be asking for a program that has all the great tools from DazStudio, Bryce and Carrara, all in one bloated app. now there is an actual program available that can do all or most of the requested functions..........that program is 3DSMAX.

    so the answer is simple, go and get a subscription for 3DSMAX!!!!!laughdevil

    or............be happy that Daz3D continue to improve about the very best program in its genre................DazStudio ROCKS!!!!!!!!!

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,189
    edited June 2017
    3anson said:

    kk, some people seem to be asking for a program that has all the great tools from DazStudio, Bryce and Carrara, all in one bloated app. now there is an actual program available that can do all or most of the requested functions..........that program is 3DSMAX.

    so the answer is simple, go and get a subscription for 3DSMAX!!!!!laughdevil

    or............be happy that Daz3D continue to improve about the very best program in its genre................DazStudio ROCKS!!!!!!!!!

    no actually we are just asking them to continue to develop the great apps they have and IMO Carrara rocks DAZ studio never has for me but it's getting a bit better, this is not an app war, DAZ owns both.

    Edited to add others feel the same way about Bryce.

    or third party apps like Poser and iClone both of which I use too and the latter is getting lots of development, I was referring only to the ones DAZ actually owns that would keep them ahead of their competitors whether they maintained or incorporated the features, not expecting for free BTW.

    Post edited by WendyLuvsCatz on
  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,393

    ​I am just advocating to preserve CURRENT functionality with Studio.  In the present, I can use the bridge to Hexagon to make morphs for Daz figures with minimum hassle for knowing export and import orientations, scales, yadda, yadda, yadda.  In the not too distant future, if they don't do minimum maintenance on Hexagon, then Studio will REGRESS in that aspect.  I don't need Maya or some high end program.  Sure, they can just tell me to go to learn Blender for editing - but while I'm there I might decide to use Blender for everything, including what Daz considers Studio's core functions.

    I'm not telling Daz that one particular way is the best approach for preserving current functionality.  They can have a minimum update of Hexagon for evolving OS and hardware.  Or, they can write new code and add it to Studio.  Or, they can buy another program and create a bridge to that.  Or, they can just dump Studio altogeter and revise their figure rigging for ease of use in Blender.  Or, do something else.  Ditto for the bridge to Bryce environments.

     

    But if they add some surface texture feature at the expense of ease of customization, that is bad from my perspective - and I know that I am not alone.

     

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    3anson said:

    kk, some people seem to be asking for a program that has all the great tools from DazStudio, Bryce and Carrara, all in one bloated app. now there is an actual program available that can do all or most of the requested functions..........that program is 3DSMAX.

    so the answer is simple, go and get a subscription for 3DSMAX!!!!!laughdevil

    or............be happy that Daz3D continue to improve about the very best program in its genre................DazStudio ROCKS!!!!!!!!!

     

  • fastbike1fastbike1 Posts: 4,078

    If you convert them to G3F and save as a prop asset, they will/may fit to G8. It is likely some will work well and some won't. Some may need as exatra step to convert to G2F, svae as propassest (for F2F) then autofit the G2F asset to G3F, then to G8F. Several steps but perhaps doable.

    I would not be surprised if the authors of the extended autofit /wear them all products aren't already working on new versions. 

    Can someone say if they are working on making V8 compatible with V4?  No worries if you can't say.  I understand.  I'll just say I would be sold on V8 if that happens.  I have skins and clothes from all versions (V4/M4, G1, G2, and G3) that I love.  I mean I bought them for a reason and I still love them.  I would hate to not be able to use them on G8.  Just hope someone can make that happen.

     

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    Can someone explain to me the advantages of G8F/V8 over G3F? I'm really at a loss to see what the fuss is about. So many people thanking those who wrote scripts or tutorials on how to make G8F look like G3F ... morphs, clothing, skins ... why not just stay with G3F? Or is it too cynical to suggest that there will be very few new G3 products in the store therefore users who want to continue buying the latest content *must* adopt G8?

    Other than that, is G8F much of an advance over G3F? Are the bending morphs so compelling? I have had the G8 body and face morphs in my cart for 3 days now and still can't bring myself to click on buy because reading this forum seems to confirm that everyone seems to want a slightly updated G3F. Perhaps I should wait for G9 and treat myself to a holiday with what I save over the next two years.

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