Runtime DNA Merges With Daz 3D

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  • Hmph.  Less competition, less variety, not good for the marketplace.  Not seeing an upside for customers, unless you really need to install all your content through DIM or Connect.

  • Ken OBanionKen OBanion Posts: 1,455
    nicstt said:
    ghosty12 said:

    Next conquer...Render...otica.

    No I doubt that they will merge with them as they are very heavily adult oriented and Daz, RDNA, Rosity are not..

    I wonder how the Poser community took this news bet there are a lot of very angry Poser users..

     

    Gotta love the atmosphere of "Poser support is doomed!" in the RDNA forums.  I sort of wonder if this move is a way of getting more Poser supported content and content makers into the store here.

    While I mostly use DS, I hope it does signal increased Poser support. Lately it has seemed like DAZ has been moving further and further from its Poser roots


    Or it could mean the end of Poser support, as this could be seen as one way to freeze out the competition..  While some might see this merger as good news it could be seen as very bad news for the 3D community in general..

    "I wonder how the Poser community took this news bet there are a lot of very angry Poser users.."

    ... Not well. And, yup there are.

     

    Karibou said:
    frogimus said:

    im hoping Littlefox takes Cookie and Star somewhere else.

    Not trying to be dense... but is there something wrong with them being here?  Because DAZ is welcoming Poser content, including original figures like Cookie and Star.


    There are a lot of partisan feelsings; some hate Daz, and likely some hate Poser.

    From what posters have said, they won't buy Poser items from here; how representative of RDNA as a whole, I've no idea.

    I've been following the thread over at RDNA, and they are completely freaking out over there!  (I'll have more to say about it, once I get off work, and back to the hotel with a Martini in front of me.  And if you want to take that as a threat, then go right ahead!cheeky)

     

  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996
    Khory said:

    And just how many years ago was this Poser pros thing? 7 or so yes? And the people who owned and ran Daz were totaly different people yes? The store here has been totaly revamped since then as well so it isn't even the same store tech. How can something that happend that long ago involving people no longer here and a totaly different store system be relivant? Its like saying "oh well my old grocery store rang everything up by hand and made mistakes so now that this new grocery has started selling the products I bought there I expect to see all sorts of hand rung errors". Even though the new store rings everything up with a scanner.

    I don't get it either. I keep seeing stuff about a 'history' of Daz shutting down sites, and one site in all these years does not count as a 'history'. Nor was it 'shut down' the way I keep seeing posts imply.

    I said a history of not being great with things they bought: One site and three complete software packages (Bryce, Hexagon, Carrara.) Of course those are all supposedly actively under development so it probably doesn't count.

  • Luv LeeLuv Lee Posts: 230
    nicstt said:
    ghosty12 said:

    Next conquer...Render...otica.

    No I doubt that they will merge with them as they are very heavily adult oriented and Daz, RDNA, Rosity are not..

    I wonder how the Poser community took this news bet there are a lot of very angry Poser users..

     

    Gotta love the atmosphere of "Poser support is doomed!" in the RDNA forums.  I sort of wonder if this move is a way of getting more Poser supported content and content makers into the store here.

    While I mostly use DS, I hope it does signal increased Poser support. Lately it has seemed like DAZ has been moving further and further from its Poser roots


    Or it could mean the end of Poser support, as this could be seen as one way to freeze out the competition..  While some might see this merger as good news it could be seen as very bad news for the 3D community in general..

    "I wonder how the Poser community took this news bet there are a lot of very angry Poser users.."

    ... Not well. And, yup there are.

     

    Karibou said:
    frogimus said:

    im hoping Littlefox takes Cookie and Star somewhere else.

    Not trying to be dense... but is there something wrong with them being here?  Because DAZ is welcoming Poser content, including original figures like Cookie and Star.


    There are a lot of partisan feelsings; some hate Daz, and likely some hate Poser.

    From what posters have said, they won't buy Poser items from here; how representative of RDNA as a whole, I've no idea.

    I've been following the thread over at RDNA, and they are completely freaking out over there!  (I'll have more to say about it, once I get off work, and back to the hotel with a Martini in front of me.  And if you want to take that as a threat, then go right ahead!cheeky)

     

    I don't blame them--a community where they felt heard  and built relationships with is dying...some have legitmate concerns that no one seems to care about and address with shaming or disdain....I am not a Poser fan or user but I get where they are coming from and sympathize with them. I think DAZ should be paying attention.

  • lx said:
    Khory said:

    And just how many years ago was this Poser pros thing? 7 or so yes? And the people who owned and ran Daz were totaly different people yes? The store here has been totaly revamped since then as well so it isn't even the same store tech. How can something that happend that long ago involving people no longer here and a totaly different store system be relivant? Its like saying "oh well my old grocery store rang everything up by hand and made mistakes so now that this new grocery has started selling the products I bought there I expect to see all sorts of hand rung errors". Even though the new store rings everything up with a scanner.

    I don't get it either. I keep seeing stuff about a 'history' of Daz shutting down sites, and one site in all these years does not count as a 'history'. Nor was it 'shut down' the way I keep seeing posts imply.

    I said a history of not being great with things they bought: One site and three complete software packages (Bryce, Hexagon, Carrara.) Of course those are all supposedly actively under development so it probably doesn't count.

    Sorry, that wasn't directed at your posts. I was referring to posts (likely on the RDNA forum, confusing hopping back and forth) that claimed RDNA would be shut down completely with the gist being that there was supposedly some pattern of DAZ buying and shutting down sites that support Poser. I was just trying to point out that one site does not equal a 'history' nor did PoserPros just get shut down after Daz bought them.

  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996
    lx said:
    Khory said:

    And just how many years ago was this Poser pros thing? 7 or so yes? And the people who owned and ran Daz were totaly different people yes? The store here has been totaly revamped since then as well so it isn't even the same store tech. How can something that happend that long ago involving people no longer here and a totaly different store system be relivant? Its like saying "oh well my old grocery store rang everything up by hand and made mistakes so now that this new grocery has started selling the products I bought there I expect to see all sorts of hand rung errors". Even though the new store rings everything up with a scanner.

    I don't get it either. I keep seeing stuff about a 'history' of Daz shutting down sites, and one site in all these years does not count as a 'history'. Nor was it 'shut down' the way I keep seeing posts imply.

    I said a history of not being great with things they bought: One site and three complete software packages (Bryce, Hexagon, Carrara.) Of course those are all supposedly actively under development so it probably doesn't count.

    Sorry, that wasn't directed at your posts. I was referring to posts (likely on the RDNA forum, confusing hopping back and forth) that claimed RDNA would be shut down completely with the gist being that there was supposedly some pattern of DAZ buying and shutting down sites that support Poser. I was just trying to point out that one site does not equal a 'history' nor did PoserPros just get shut down after Daz bought them.

    Oh right, my bad. I can understand why they're upset, since Poser support definitely seems to be on its way out amongst PA and Daz opinion (appearance only don't blame me for speculating if you're giving off that impression) so being acquired by Daz doesn't suggest much in the way of positives.

    That said I think the timing of this combined with their other sweeping changes (Connect, encryption) make it worth at least asking questions if one is curious or cares about the future. I'm not saying run around screaming or anything, but those bricks do sit together rather well. 

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,738
    daveso said:

    what bother me is the fact a lot of folks here are excited to see the RDNA content ported over to DS ... I am hoping they continue to produce products for Poser.

    Even if some of the great Poser-only content was converted to DS too (and nothing was stated about that, it's just wishful thinking) it doesn't mean that content creators who create products for Poser will stop doing that.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085
    Ah, ok, that's why we're confused. You don't mean Daz isn't dark, but that there are styles that are native to Runtime. Well, given THAT, there's no reason to suppose the content won't appear in Daz, unless those vendors are hell bent on avoiding Daz.
  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited February 2016
    unless those vendors are hell bent on avoiding Daz.

    oO...

    Umm...no pun intended?

    laugh

    I for one would like to see some more of those items, too.

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  • larsmidnatt said:

    But Daz is a very sterile convervative draconian site, and RDNA was always very expressive, creative and artistic.  To people who say daz has dark themes, I think you are missing a lot. It's not about indivudual crummy products, it's the entire feel and support for themes in a genuine way. RNDA had some great lines on their site. RNDA was never scared of embracing ART, Daz still is :/

    DAZ isn't either, in my opinion; they just feel that there are plenty of other sites where the sort of imagery that you and others are complaining that they don't want could be placed. They have a different set of rules regarding certain image types, and I feel that there are acceptable compromises that can be reached to enable people to find the kind of images that they use to guage whether a certain product is what they want without forcing DAZ to adopt rules the management might be uncomfortable with.

  • DAZ_ann0314DAZ_ann0314 Posts: 2,876
    edited February 2016

    You never know, an influx of Poser-focused vendors might help revive and encourage Poser development here.

     

    I'm going to second this smiley As someone who was a very long time Poser supporter (and who still "wants" to be) honestly, I can say we (ARTCollaborations) would still be supporting Poser and DS both if not for the fact that the sales just weren't behind us to do it. sad I know I'll get some backlash on that comment as being "money oriented" but my income is wholely invested in this website, in the customers here, in what you all are buying. That also includes being chained to "what is selling".

     

    But Daz is a very sterile convervative draconian site, and RDNA was always very expressive, creative and artistic.  To people who say daz has dark themes, I think you are missing a lot. It's not about indivudual crummy products, it's the entire feel and support for themes in a genuine way. RNDA had some great lines on their site. RNDA was never scared of embracing ART, Daz still is :/


    Given all the various stores, it seems like certain merchants, stores, etc are looked to for "certain themes" because they do them a lot and that can be hard to break "into" if you didn't start out in them and so to a degree it discourages a PA from "straying" too far (which would also account for some of the "conservative" releases) Daz 3D doesn't require us to be "conservative" (which is evident by looking at RawArts store and many others) but if the sales aren't there, it makes it hard.

    It may be surprising to know that at one point we had our own store and what I was best known for was "Toon" and also doing some "darker" sets on that site. When I came here though, those things didn't seem to do as well for me and so I had to move away from them sad (I am honestly hoping this merger will change that though and draw in more of those two customer bases so I can get back to the things I am more "in love" with on a creative level)

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  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019
    edited February 2016

    Someone should make an official statement about the Dusk/Dawn related products sold on RDNA, though. Wether or not DAZ3D will be hosting that content as well will take care of some... stuff.

    I.E. in regards to the supposedly "bad history" between the HW guys and DAZ3D.

    Post edited by BeeMKay on
  • Velvet GoblinVelvet Goblin Posts: 532
    edited February 2016

    I don't see the merger as any way indicative of a revival of Poser compatible products at Daz.

    You cannot even filter by software compatibility in the Daz store any more, making it a nightmare to browse for anything not DS. That change did not give me the feeling that Daz was particularly interested in promoting Poser compatible products. The catalog from RDNA may become available here, but as long as we can't filter by software, it'll be hard to find. And then everyone will say that it's because Poser users aren't buying, when the fact is: of course we're not, if we can't even find stuff to buy. LOL.

    The nightmare of dredging through endless Genesis 3 products for the 1 or 2 releases a month that don't require them does not make me eager to see an easy to browse and well run store merge into the chaos here. But oh well.

    Post edited by Velvet Goblin on
  • I don't see the merger as any way indicative of a revival of Poser compatible products at Daz.

    You cannot even filter by software compatibility in the Daz store any more, making it a nightmare to browse for anything not DS. That change did not give me the feeling that Daz was particularly interested in promoting Poser compatible products. The catalog from RDNA may become available here, but as long as we can't filter by software, it'll be hard to find. And then everyone will say that it's because Poser users aren't buying, when the fact is: of course we're not, if we can't even find stuff to buy. LOL.

    The nightmare of dredging through endless Genesis 3 products for the 1 or 2 releases a month that don't require them does not make me eager to see an easy to browse and well run store merge into the chaos here. But oh well.

    There is a Figure filter you could use to restrict the search to certain figures, perhaps one of the bokmarklet hackers coudl make one that would simply exclude Genesises.

  • Velvet GoblinVelvet Goblin Posts: 532
    edited February 2016

    I don't see the merger as anyway indicative of a revival of Poser compatible products at Daz.

    You cannot even filter by software compatibility in the Daz store any more, making it a nightmare to browse for anything not DS. That change did not give me the feeling that Daz was particularly interested in promoting Poser compatible products. The catalog from RDNA may become available here, but as long as we can't filter by software, it'll be hard to find. And then everyone will say that it's because Poser users aren't buying, when the fact is: of course we're not, if we can't even find stuff to buy. LOL.

    I don't see the merger as any way indicative of a revival of Poser compatible products at Daz.

    You cannot even filter by software compatibility in the Daz store any more, making it a nightmare to browse for anything not DS. That change did not give me the feeling that Daz was particularly interested in promoting Poser compatible products. The catalog from RDNA may become available here, but as long as we can't filter by software, it'll be hard to find. And then everyone will say that it's because Poser users aren't buying, when the fact is: of course we're not, if we can't even find stuff to buy. LOL.

    The nightmare of dredging through endless Genesis 3 products for the 1 or 2 releases a month that don't require them does not make me eager to see an easy to browse and well run store merge into the chaos here. But oh well.

    There is a Figure filter you could use to restrict the search to certain figures, perhaps one of the bokmarklet hackers coudl make one that would simply exclude Genesises.

    I use Genesis. I use Genesis 2. So I don't want to exclude them. But if I include them... that doesn't filter the software choices. Nor does it help at all with non-figure related products like animals, plants, props, environments and so on.

    Edit: And it kinda makes all the sales that rely on the purchase of a new (Gen3) release sort of... less than inspiring. LOL.

    Post edited by Velvet Goblin on
  • Frank__Frank__ Posts: 302
    edited February 2016

    larsmidnatt said:

    But Daz is a very sterile convervative draconian site, and RDNA was always very expressive, creative and artistic.  To people who say daz has dark themes, I think you are missing a lot. It's not about indivudual crummy products, it's the entire feel and support for themes in a genuine way. RNDA had some great lines on their site. RNDA was never scared of embracing ART, Daz still is :/

    DAZ isn't either, in my opinion; they just feel that there are plenty of other sites where the sort of imagery that you and others are complaining that they don't want could be placed. They have a different set of rules regarding certain image types, and I feel that there are acceptable compromises that can be reached to enable people to find the kind of images that they use to guage whether a certain product is what they want without forcing DAZ to adopt rules the management might be uncomfortable with.

     

    edit: this doesn't look right, the two comements should be quotation. Following is my opinion.

    I wish there would be a separated corner in the DAZ-store where the not-so-family-orientated stuff could reside. About 50% of my RDNA-purchases on/of figures would reside in this corner. (And don't counter this with Rawart - I have most of his creatures - but seeing the discussion on the severed man: I'd prefer to have a niche for "disturbing" stuff on this shop, separated. There's no benefit out of this "merger" if I have to open an account elsewhere if it's going to please only the Star and Cookie-admirers)

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  • mtl1mtl1 Posts: 1,508

    I'm just laughing at the whole DAZ 'conservative' thing. Much of the content here is already cheesecakey and borderline NSFW. There's plenty of grimdark/grotesque/monstrous content, but that amount is understandably less for a variety of reasons: sales, PAs/creators, community requests, platform, and so forth.

  • Am I the only one NOT happy about this merger? I liked RDNA because they offered a different set of products. Now everything will be lumped together and eliminating another option to find content for my hobby.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,574

    Am I the only one NOT happy about this merger? I liked RDNA because they offered a different set of products. Now everything will be lumped together and eliminating another option to find content for my hobby.

    If you look on RDNA's own forums you will see plenty of unhappy people, and some positively livid at this news. However most people on this forum are DS users who are likely to be less affected by this. What we still have to see is what happens to RDNA's large back catalogue of items, and if they do enter the store here, at what price point. I am hoping we might see some of the cheaper stuff become PC+ items, but we can only guess what might happen.

  • Havos said:

     I am hoping we might see some of the cheaper stuff become PC+ items, but we can only guess what might happen.

    That would be an insult for the PA creator. I would prefer pay 5 USD for a cookie clothing than being limited to being a PC+ member first.

  • DAZ_ann0314DAZ_ann0314 Posts: 2,876
    edited February 2016

    Am I the only one NOT happy about this merger? I liked RDNA because they offered a different set of products. Now everything will be lumped together and eliminating another option to find content for my hobby.

    No, others have conveyed their worries, concerns, and feelings on the matter between the two threads. Including making similar comments to your own about losing another option for content.

    Post edited by DAZ_ann0314 on
  • mtl1 said:

    I'm just laughing at the whole DAZ 'conservative' thing. Much of the content here is already cheesecakey and borderline NSFW. There's plenty of grimdark/grotesque/monstrous content, but that amount is understandably less for a variety of reasons: sales, PAs/creators, community requests, platform, and so forth.

    This is the most rational post about this. This is just selective outrage with a little bit of valid concerns mixed in.
  • mtl1mtl1 Posts: 1,508
    GumpOtaku said:
    mtl1 said:

    I'm just laughing at the whole DAZ 'conservative' thing. Much of the content here is already cheesecakey and borderline NSFW. There's plenty of grimdark/grotesque/monstrous content, but that amount is understandably less for a variety of reasons: sales, PAs/creators, community requests, platform, and so forth.

     

    This is the most rational post about this. This is just selective outrage with a little bit of valid concerns mixed in.

    Thanks!

    I mean, I could tongue-in-cheek rant about stores being anti-scifi because of the relative lack of scifi content, but the genre in reality is limited by market forces, IP, and so forth. The same applies to so-called 'dark' content, because, like scifi, horror take a lot of effort to get right and the monetary value to the creator is very small when selling on any amateur/hobbyist storefront. Contract work, pro-level work, or even designing game assets are always more lucrative when it comes to "maximum effort!" products.

  • mtl1 said:
    GumpOtaku said:
    mtl1 said:

    I'm just laughing at the whole DAZ 'conservative' thing. Much of the content here is already cheesecakey and borderline NSFW. There's plenty of grimdark/grotesque/monstrous content, but that amount is understandably less for a variety of reasons: sales, PAs/creators, community requests, platform, and so forth.

     

    This is the most rational post about this. This is just selective outrage with a little bit of valid concerns mixed in.

    Thanks!

    I mean, I could tongue-in-cheek rant about stores being anti-scifi because of the relative lack of scifi content, but the genre in reality is limited by market forces, IP, and so forth. The same applies to so-called 'dark' content, because, like scifi, horror take a lot of effort to get right and the monetary value to the creator is very small when selling on any amateur/hobbyist storefront. Contract work, pro-level work, or even designing game assets are always more lucrative when it comes to "maximum effort!" products.

    Yeah. I mean last I checked, aren't there a good amount of folks whining about skimpware? DAZ is hardly conservative, rather going through the wisdom of the market. Selling content is priority #1, followed by making the people happy.
  • KaribouKaribou Posts: 1,325
    GumpOtaku said:
    mtl1 said:
    GumpOtaku said:
    mtl1 said:

    I'm just laughing at the whole DAZ 'conservative' thing. Much of the content here is already cheesecakey and borderline NSFW. There's plenty of grimdark/grotesque/monstrous content, but that amount is understandably less for a variety of reasons: sales, PAs/creators, community requests, platform, and so forth.

     

    This is the most rational post about this. This is just selective outrage with a little bit of valid concerns mixed in.

    Thanks!

    I mean, I could tongue-in-cheek rant about stores being anti-scifi because of the relative lack of scifi content, but the genre in reality is limited by market forces, IP, and so forth. The same applies to so-called 'dark' content, because, like scifi, horror take a lot of effort to get right and the monetary value to the creator is very small when selling on any amateur/hobbyist storefront. Contract work, pro-level work, or even designing game assets are always more lucrative when it comes to "maximum effort!" products.

     

    Yeah. I mean last I checked, aren't there a good amount of folks whining about skimpware? DAZ is hardly conservative, rather going through the wisdom of the market. Selling content is priority #1, followed by making the people happy.

    I think there might be some loose correlation between selling content and making people happy.  wink Happy people spend money.  Unhappy people complain loudly in the forums.  cheeky

  • DAZ_ann0314DAZ_ann0314 Posts: 2,876
    edited February 2016
    GumpOtaku said:
    Yeah. I mean last I checked, aren't there a good amount of folks whining about skimpware? DAZ is hardly conservative, rather going through the wisdom of the market. Selling content is priority #1, followed by making the people happy.

    Well I wouldn't say that..the two somewhat go hand in hand...
    You can gauge (as far as content) the number of people you are making happy by going by the sales for any given genre, so it isn't that making people "happy" is secondary. It is primary and has to be or there is no money to be made. It is just difficult to "gauge happiness" in a store environment without using sales as a factor of that.

    Example: 100 different people say in the forums they dislike "skimp wear" (or there is too much of it or they want more everyday/conservative clothing) but then you release skimp wear and it is your best seller and you sell 400 copies. Then you create something more conservative and get 50 sales. What do you go by? The 50 that purchased the more conservative outfit, the 100 that voiced their dislike of skimp wear, or the 400 that voiced their like for it by way of sales? What that teaches you is that people are happier with the skimp wear you created than they were with the everyday clothes you created. Often times most people "vote" what they love or hate with their wallet (give money to the themes/subjects they like..don't invest in the ones they don't) while never being vocal on it at all one way or another. So the best determining factor on what makes your customers happy is to go by what they are (or are not) buying from you.

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  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996
    edited February 2016
    GumpOtaku said:
    mtl1 said:
    GumpOtaku said:
    mtl1 said:

    I'm just laughing at the whole DAZ 'conservative' thing. Much of the content here is already cheesecakey and borderline NSFW. There's plenty of grimdark/grotesque/monstrous content, but that amount is understandably less for a variety of reasons: sales, PAs/creators, community requests, platform, and so forth.

     

    This is the most rational post about this. This is just selective outrage with a little bit of valid concerns mixed in.

    Thanks!

    I mean, I could tongue-in-cheek rant about stores being anti-scifi because of the relative lack of scifi content, but the genre in reality is limited by market forces, IP, and so forth. The same applies to so-called 'dark' content, because, like scifi, horror take a lot of effort to get right and the monetary value to the creator is very small when selling on any amateur/hobbyist storefront. Contract work, pro-level work, or even designing game assets are always more lucrative when it comes to "maximum effort!" products.

     

    Yeah. I mean last I checked, aren't there a good amount of folks whining about skimpware? DAZ is hardly conservative, rather going through the wisdom of the market. Selling content is priority #1, followed by making the people happy.

    Technically the complaints aren't so much that the skimpware exists; just that it's almost all of the clothing content.

    Things like http://www.daz3d.com/fire-hazard-for-genesis-2-female-s have their place - but if you wanted a firefighting scene, it'd be little help and as far as I know there aren't really any outfits at Daz that would help. Ironically, males seem to get only practical outfits and barely anything skimpy~

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  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885
    lx said:
    GumpOtaku said:
    mtl1 said:
    GumpOtaku said:
    mtl1 said:

    I'm just laughing at the whole DAZ 'conservative' thing. Much of the content here is already cheesecakey and borderline NSFW. There's plenty of grimdark/grotesque/monstrous content, but that amount is understandably less for a variety of reasons: sales, PAs/creators, community requests, platform, and so forth.

     

    This is the most rational post about this. This is just selective outrage with a little bit of valid concerns mixed in.

    Thanks!

    I mean, I could tongue-in-cheek rant about stores being anti-scifi because of the relative lack of scifi content, but the genre in reality is limited by market forces, IP, and so forth. The same applies to so-called 'dark' content, because, like scifi, horror take a lot of effort to get right and the monetary value to the creator is very small when selling on any amateur/hobbyist storefront. Contract work, pro-level work, or even designing game assets are always more lucrative when it comes to "maximum effort!" products.

     

    Yeah. I mean last I checked, aren't there a good amount of folks whining about skimpware? DAZ is hardly conservative, rather going through the wisdom of the market. Selling content is priority #1, followed by making the people happy.

    Technically the complaints aren't so much that the skimpware exists; just that it's almost all of the clothing content.

    Things like http://www.daz3d.com/fire-hazard-for-genesis-2-female-s have their place - but if you wanted a firefighting scene, it'd be little help and as far as I know there aren't really any outfits at Daz that would help. Ironically, males seem to get only practical outfits and nothing skimpy~

    A cynical part of me thinks that's part of the 2 year development cycle... because they haven't quite exhausted Skimpwear options before getting to start all over again with a new figure... :p

  • Luv LeeLuv Lee Posts: 230
    Ah, ok, that's why we're confused. You don't mean Daz isn't dark, but that there are styles that are native to Runtime. Well, given THAT, there's no reason to suppose the content won't appear in Daz, unless those vendors are hell bent on avoiding Daz.

    My Hope is a lot of the amazing vendors there will migrate over, which I am guessing some will...It will be a win for the PA in some ways  because it is a bigger marketplace so they have a real shot of not only grabbing DAZ customers but maybe some folks at DAZ who may dig thier style.

  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996

    I think it's quite complicated because if the skimpwear sells best then you make that, but then if you only make that it really narrows in the options of your customer base and it's not long before you're thought of as only creating that sort of thing for that sort of market. I would argue that poser-type things are already very niche and if Daz wants to increase its customer base by any real amount, they're going to have to branch out into offering things for more groups. Of course it's not as simple as simply making other items, but it's something to keep in mind.

    The relevant point, though, is that Daz is hardly conservative. They may hide away the nudities people are so afraid of and rename genitals, but I believe that is much more legal in nature so that ignorant people don't start complaining that it's all for making adult only content and therefore should be removed/banned/whatever.

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