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  • Cam FoxCam Fox Posts: 489
    edited September 2

    To me it looks like a mix of human and ai working together for modeling and texturing. Mostly an impression from the inconsistent motifs (a human would usually pick a smaller set of looks for skull and crossbones), detail areas (gun barrels have chaotic rivets that a human would probably order if they took time to texture or model), unusual design elements (various pirate and oceanic symbols incorporated in peculiar ways as integrated engravings and doodads), impractical designs (why does a wooden table need so many metal rivets on the ends?) But - the texturing is good and the models have a lot of character, and the set achieves novelty which is exciting and interesting to a degree.

    Edit: it might be full ai with something like Trellis.2/Pixal3D. Anyway it's a full model set ready to go, some people have uses for it.

     

    I'm super impressed by the new AnTiNeko set, it looks like some serious care went into that one. I wish I had budget to pick it up!

    https://www.daz3d.com/atn-japanese-budget-apartment

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  • AsuCafeAsuCafe Posts: 550
    edited September 2

    https://www.daz3d.com/atn-japanese-budget-apartment

    Today's new arrivals have me thrilled! A new artist! This piece is absolutely stunning. I've always wanted a retro apartment like this; many classic Japanese dramas and anime are set in such scenes. The scene is so rich in detail—it's immediately in my cart!

    https://www.daz3d.com/the-japanese-gardens

    I'm so glad Stonemason has created another Eastern-themed scene, a courtyard! For me, you can never have too many courtyards! Small, beautiful scenes, composed of multiple sections rather than a large open space, greatly help reduce the rendering burden and are also easy to modify.

    https://www.daz3d.com/showa-era-izakaya

    Now all Japanese food finally has a place to be displayed.

    https://www.daz3d.com/myrathen-temple

    It's exquisite. At first glance, the windows made me happy because I thought it was an oriental style, but the overall scene is a Western fantasy style.

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  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 6,127

    Now I am afraid to even express any opinion. I did not want to start an argument over AI. I do wish PAs would indicate if they used it in any shape, form, or manner during their production of the products or the promos.

    @AsuCafe, totally agree with you on three of the products, just not the Showa Era Izakaya.

    I hope we see more from @AnTiNeko in the future.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,626

    memcneil70 said:

    Now I am afraid to even express any opinion. I did not want to start an argument over AI. I do wish PAs would indicate if they used it in any shape, form, or manner during their production of the products or the promos.

    @AsuCafe, totally agree with you on three of the products, just not the Showa Era Izakaya.

    I hope we see more from @AnTiNeko in the future.

    the discussion was not related in any way to your liking the set wink

    that didn't start anything

    rather it was close examination of it by others revealing careless details

    independent of any posts

    likely fine from a distance

     

     

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 6,127

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    memcneil70 said:

    Now I am afraid to even express any opinion. I did not want to start an argument over AI. I do wish PAs would indicate if they used it in any shape, form, or manner during their production of the products or the promos.

    @AsuCafe, totally agree with you on three of the products, just not the Showa Era Izakaya.

    I hope we see more from @AnTiNeko in the future.

    the discussion was not related in any way to your liking the set wink

    that didn't start anything

    rather it was close examination of it by others revealing careless details

    independent of any posts

    likely fine from a distance

     

     

    Thank you @WendyLuvsCatz 

  • joannajoanna Posts: 2,786

    memcneil70 said:

    Now I am afraid to even express any opinion. I did not want to start an argument over AI. I do wish PAs would indicate if they used it in any shape, form, or manner during their production of the products or the promos.

    Why would you be afraid? This is the only way a discussion (not an argument) over quality of the assets can start.
    According to Daz, PAs are not allowed to use AI at all, and customer support ignores any inquires about it beyond that statement, so even if any PAs were using it and willing to disclose it (outside of Daz, I've seen many "creators" not disclosing it and going through great lengths trying to prove no AI was used, including fake videos, but it doesn't mean PAs here would do the same), they have no way to do it, and a discussion about quality of the assets (not whether it's AI or not, because according to Daz, it is not) is all we have left.
    I'd rather have poor quality products brought to my attention, so please, don't be afraid. Just because I won't buy them, doesn't mean someone else won't. Just like some people like skimpy wear and boob-tastic characters and some don't.

  • donniekeidicdonniekeidic Posts: 172

    I love everything about this: https://www.daz3d.com/atn-japanese-budget-apartment

    I hope to see a lot more from this PA, as far as I am concerned this is the star of this sale so far! Way to hit it out of the park with the first release in the store.

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 10,919

    Great additions to my collection
    https://www.daz3d.com/showa-era-izakaya
    and
    https://www.daz3d.com/japanese-food-collection-volume-8

  • Matt_CastleMatt_Castle Posts: 3,272

    donniekeidic said:

    I love everything about this: https://www.daz3d.com/atn-japanese-budget-apartment

    I'd like to know more specifically what is and isn't posable; it's a much more valuable set if things like cupboard doors and fridges will open. 

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,946

    donniekeidic said:

    I love everything about this: https://www.daz3d.com/atn-japanese-budget-apartment

    I hope to see a lot more from this PA, as far as I am concerned this is the star of this sale so far! Way to hit it out of the park with the first release in the store.

    Totally agree.  I've been in doppelgangers of this apartment so many times while in Japan and the only thing that struck me as a little weird is the bathroom sink.  On the other hand, this set finally delivers a CG version of tho9se funky toilets with the sink built into the lid that make so much sense in terms of both recycling water and fitting everything into a tiny area.  Utterly fantastic work and an instant buy.

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 6,127
    edited September 2

    Matt_Castle said:

    donniekeidic said:

    I love everything about this: https://www.daz3d.com/atn-japanese-budget-apartment

    I'd like to know more specifically what is and isn't posable; it's a much more valuable set if things like cupboard doors and fridges will open. 

    So far every door, window, washer, opens with either an 'open' slider or 'slides' with the X-Translation. Now I haven't got to everything, there are over 100 props and a great deal of care went into this. The rice cooker opens! But one cabinet door intersects with the range hood, and it looks like a cut-out was done to let it open. No wait! the doors are not placed correctly on the shelf box. I thought I might of accidentally moved them over, but I can't move them back. This is an issue, guess I need to send in a report to DAZ.

    Regardless of that, this is a great environment. 

    Edit to add: Reported on Request #506080.

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  • davidwski_16294691f0davidwski_16294691f0 Posts: 179
    edited September 3

    joanna said:

    memcneil70 said:

    Now I am afraid to even express any opinion. I did not want to start an argument over AI. I do wish PAs would indicate if they used it in any shape, form, or manner during their production of the products or the promos.

    Why would you be afraid? This is the only way a discussion (not an argument) over quality of the assets can start.
    According to Daz, PAs are not allowed to use AI at all, and customer support ignores any inquires about it beyond that statement, so even if any PAs were using it and willing to disclose it (outside of Daz, I've seen many "creators" not disclosing it and going through great lengths trying to prove no AI was used, including fake videos, but it doesn't mean PAs here would do the same), they have no way to do it, and a discussion about quality of the assets (not whether it's AI or not, because according to Daz, it is not) is all we have left.
    I'd rather have poor quality products brought to my attention, so please, don't be afraid. Just because I won't buy them, doesn't mean someone else won't. Just like some people like skimpy wear and boob-tastic characters and some don't.

    This, however, has become a very grey area, if I understand the Daz EULA correctly.  Daz3d markets an associated text based generative AI product (sound familiar?), as an installed plug-in to Daz Studio (see YellowSculpt). A PA can conceivably use Yellow Sculpt to produce an entire product mesh and morphs, complete a full character product by adding their own additions and/or edits, and then market it as a stand alone product in the Daz store.  The only requirement would be to state that it was created using Daz Starter Essentials. They might not be able to copyright it, however.

    Someone please correct me, if I have this mixed up.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 111,612

    davidwski_16294691f0 said:

    joanna said:

    memcneil70 said:

    Now I am afraid to even express any opinion. I did not want to start an argument over AI. I do wish PAs would indicate if they used it in any shape, form, or manner during their production of the products or the promos.

    Why would you be afraid? This is the only way a discussion (not an argument) over quality of the assets can start.
    According to Daz, PAs are not allowed to use AI at all, and customer support ignores any inquires about it beyond that statement, so even if any PAs were using it and willing to disclose it (outside of Daz, I've seen many "creators" not disclosing it and going through great lengths trying to prove no AI was used, including fake videos, but it doesn't mean PAs here would do the same), they have no way to do it, and a discussion about quality of the assets (not whether it's AI or not, because according to Daz, it is not) is all we have left.
    I'd rather have poor quality products brought to my attention, so please, don't be afraid. Just because I won't buy them, doesn't mean someone else won't. Just like some people like skimpy wear and boob-tastic characters and some don't.

    This, however, has become a very grey area, if I understand the Daz EULA correctly.  Daz3d markets an associated text based generative AI product (sound familiar?), as an installed plug-in to Daz Studio (see YellowSculpt). A PA can conceivably use Yellow Sculpt to produce an entire product mesh and morphs, complete a full character product by adding their own additions and/or edits, and then market it as a stand alone product in the Daz store.  The only requirement would be to state that it was created using Daz Starter Essentials. They might not be able to copyright it, however.

    Someone please correct me, if I have this mixed up.

    Yellow can produce character morphs, the AI bot is the same as the one on the store pages and can just answer questions. Your hypothetical list of steps is way beyond the current capabilities.

  • davidwski_16294691f0davidwski_16294691f0 Posts: 179
    edited September 3

    Richard Haseltine said:

    davidwski_16294691f0 said:

    joanna said:

    memcneil70 said:

    Now I am afraid to even express any opinion. I did not want to start an argument over AI. I do wish PAs would indicate if they used it in any shape, form, or manner during their production of the products or the promos.

    Why would you be afraid? This is the only way a discussion (not an argument) over quality of the assets can start.
    According to Daz, PAs are not allowed to use AI at all, and customer support ignores any inquires about it beyond that statement, so even if any PAs were using it and willing to disclose it (outside of Daz, I've seen many "creators" not disclosing it and going through great lengths trying to prove no AI was used, including fake videos, but it doesn't mean PAs here would do the same), they have no way to do it, and a discussion about quality of the assets (not whether it's AI or not, because according to Daz, it is not) is all we have left.
    I'd rather have poor quality products brought to my attention, so please, don't be afraid. Just because I won't buy them, doesn't mean someone else won't. Just like some people like skimpy wear and boob-tastic characters and some don't.

    This, however, has become a very grey area, if I understand the Daz EULA correctly.  Daz3d markets an associated text based generative AI product (sound familiar?), as an installed plug-in to Daz Studio (see YellowSculpt). A PA can conceivably use Yellow Sculpt to produce an entire product mesh and morphs, complete a full character product by adding their own additions and/or edits, and then market it as a stand alone product in the Daz store.  The only requirement would be to state that it was created using Daz Starter Essentials. They might not be able to copyright it, however.

    Someone please correct me, if I have this mixed up.

    Yellow can produce character morphs, the AI bot is the same as the one on the store pages and can just answer questions. Your hypothetical list of steps is way beyond the current capabilities.

    Understood, and thanks for the clarification! Then perhaps Yellow can access from the purchased and installed Gen 9 starter essential morphs, and then modify an already generated basic Gen 9 character. A person could then apply installed textures and clothing to produce a result. Am I close?

    That sounds interesting to try.

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  • gwalla_2536c3a4a6gwalla_2536c3a4a6 Posts: 97

    memcneil70 said:

    Matt_Castle said:

    donniekeidic said:

    I love everything about this: https://www.daz3d.com/atn-japanese-budget-apartment

    I'd like to know more specifically what is and isn't posable; it's a much more valuable set if things like cupboard doors and fridges will open. 

    So far every door, window, washer, opens with either an 'open' slider or 'slides' with the X-Translation. Now I haven't got to everything, there are over 100 props and a great deal of care went into this. The rice cooker opens! But one cabinet door intersects with the range hood, and it looks like a cut-out was done to let it open. No wait! the doors are not placed correctly on the shelf box. I thought I might of accidentally moved them over, but I can't move them back. This is an issue, guess I need to send in a report to DAZ.

    Regardless of that, this is a great environment. 

    Edit to add: Reported on Request #506080.

    Honestly those seem pretty minor, and easy to work around. I wish I had a project where this would make sense so I could justify the expense to myself, lol 

  • Cam FoxCam Fox Posts: 489

    I ended up splurging for it, all the stuff being poseable sealed the deal. Looking forward to trying it out. ^^

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,809

    jmucchiello said:

    JDA-HDRI has now release Japanese Food Collection 1, 4, 3, and 8, in that order since Aug 22. Is it some kind of puzzle? :) :)

    And now 5. The odd-numbered ones are coming out in the correct order so far, which makes the even-numbered ones even more puzzling.

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,843

    wow real bargin from Magic Brush for a full bundle $89.99 full price reduced to $2.99 Golden Ticket deal included character, hair, two clothing sets and a street scene

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 8,121
    edited September 3

    I am both pleased & disappointed in turns by https://www.daz3d.com/z-pen-writing-and-holding-prop-and-poses-for-genesis-9-and-8-female.

    It's good to see people considering writing equipment, and some of the non-writing poses are OK and a bit amusing.

    On the other hand, as  an ex-moderator on the FountainPenNetwork.com forum, I am deeply disappointed by the fact the pen used is a ball-point and that the writing poses largely show a grip between the thumb & forefinger only. A much better grip includes support for the pen with the middle finger. This leads to a much less tiring experience, and with a well adjusted fountain pen (which writes under the weight of the pen and the hand only guides where the line goes) you can write for 8 hours a day without your hand cramping.

    A couple of the writing poses hold the pen at 45 degrees to the paper, an angle at which is quite hard for a ball point to lay down a consistent line - due to the burr around the ball that keeps it in being the thing that contacts the paper instead of the ball, consequently the ball doesn't rotate consistently and the tip can intermittently run out of ink. ball point pens should ideally be keps within 30 degrees of vertical, though recent gel pens are more forgiving due to the less viscous ink.

    So, good in parts.

    Regards,

    Richard

    Post edited by richardandtracy on
  • LorraineLorraine Posts: 1,077

    richardandtracy said:

    I am both pleased & disappointed in turns by https://www.daz3d.com/z-pen-writing-and-holding-prop-and-poses-for-genesis-9-and-8-female.

    I'm afraid I'm just disappointed, Richard. The product is less a writing set and more a 'looking sultry whilst holding a pen' set. Much prefer https://www.daz3d.com/writing-stuff-down--props-and-poses-for-genesis-9-and-8-female which has right AND left handed poses

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 8,121

    I will confess my preference is for the fountain pen poses I did, but then I am biassed.

    As for the poses being 'Sultry'. Ahh is that what it is. Not sulky. I just thought 'Ridiculous, but as I'm a bloke, don't comment on that bit.'. The 'standing, waving a pen about randomly' poses were the ones I thought slightly amusing as they are similar to some poses I've seen in long, tedious meetings.

    Regards,

    Richard

  • LorraineLorraine Posts: 1,077
    edited September 3

    Ridiculous is right. I wrote a screed and then deleted it. I'm definitely NOT the target market, each to their own, blah, blah, is it REALLY 2026 and here I go again. I like your poses too and wondered why I wasn't seeing them in the relevant folders...I put them in the Art folder and they need to also be in the Commercial and School folders. Now done.

    Post edited by Lorraine on
  • Matt_CastleMatt_Castle Posts: 3,272

    The thumbnail for https://www.daz3d.com/soviet-khrushchoba--blue-angel seemed interesting, as despite being supposedly Soviet, there's similar enough apartment buildings in towns near me in the UK that I could see it being usable, but on closer inspection it seems... underwhelming. Looks like just an exterior with pretty low resolution textures, and I'm not even really sure that replacing the textures would make it worthwhile.

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,510

    In Soviet Russia, textures map YOU.

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 6,127

    richardandtracy said:

    I am both pleased & disappointed in turns by https://www.daz3d.com/z-pen-writing-and-holding-prop-and-poses-for-genesis-9-and-8-female.

    It's good to see people considering writing equipment, and some of the non-writing poses are OK and a bit amusing.

    On the other hand, as  an ex-moderator on the FountainPenNetwork.com forum, I am deeply disappointed by the fact the pen used is a ball-point and that the writing poses largely show a grip between the thumb & forefinger only. A much better grip includes support for the pen with the middle finger. This leads to a much less tiring experience, and with a well adjusted fountain pen (which writes under the weight of the pen and the hand only guides where the line goes) you can write for 8 hours a day without your hand cramping.

    A couple of the writing poses hold the pen at 45 degrees to the paper, an angle at which is quite hard for a ball point to lay down a consistent line - due to the burr around the ball that keeps it in being the thing that contacts the paper instead of the ball, consequently the ball doesn't rotate consistently and the tip can intermittently run out of ink. ball point pens should ideally be keps within 30 degrees of vertical, though recent gel pens are more forgiving due to the less viscous ink.

    So, good in parts.

    Regards,

    Richard

    I also wished that it included poses for other writing implements with a stylus for an iPad or palette, or a brush when writing classic Asian characters.  I also agree with @Lorraine on the emphasis of the sexy body poses. If there was less of that, this set could be used for both sexes without too much trouble. 

    This is from a kid in high school who use a metal tipped pen, ink bottle, and my own combination of English, French and secretaries shorthand to take notes just to drive teachers in Oregon nuts.

  • joannajoanna Posts: 2,786

    Matt_Castle said:

    The thumbnail for https://www.daz3d.com/soviet-khrushchoba--blue-angel seemed interesting, as despite being supposedly Soviet, there's similar enough apartment buildings in towns near me in the UK that I could see it being usable, but on closer inspection it seems... underwhelming. Looks like just an exterior with pretty low resolution textures, and I'm not even really sure that replacing the textures would make it worthwhile.

    Maybe the PA was trying to mimic Soviet-era quality of everything with those textures? (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
    But you're right, it looks really underwhelming. I don't mind "just the exterior," but quality is what usually keeps me from buying. If I have to do additional work, I usually pass immediately, but on rare occasion I want to do the work, the price tag must reflect that I'm getting a DYI rather than a finished product.

  • davesodaveso Posts: 8,276

    I'm surprised anyone still knows about writing, or is that an indication of the customer generation her at DAZ? 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,626

    daveso said:

    I'm surprised anyone still knows about writing, or is that an indication of the customer generation her at DAZ? 

    as someone who holds my pens like I am stabbing due to stubbornness when my teacher hit my hand with a ruler for holding it wrong at 7, I don't judge 

  • dennisgray41dennisgray41 Posts: 914

    davidwski_16294691f0 said:

    barbult said:

    Things I recently purchased. 

    New releases
    MB Danniella HD for Genesis 9 Bundle  ( I used character, hair, and outfit)
    Z Leg Envy Shapes and Poses Mega Set for Genesis 9 and 8 Female  (I used only a pose)

    Older, on sale
    Polish Photography Studio Bundle (I used Studio 3)
    Iray Window Lights (Be careful with this one. It tries to load the prop set as a scene and wipe out your work if you are not careful.)

     

    In all the years I have played at this hobby, I have always envied those people who can capture lighting so well. 

    Iray Window Lights (Be careful with this one. It tries to load the prop set as a scene and wipe out your work if you are not careful.)

     

    I have been looking for this for a long time! So, how do I keep from it trying to be a scene instead of a prop. I always hate things that do that.

     

  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,874

    dennisgray41 said:

    davidwski_16294691f0 said:

    barbult said:

    Things I recently purchased. 

    New releases
    MB Danniella HD for Genesis 9 Bundle  ( I used character, hair, and outfit)
    Z Leg Envy Shapes and Poses Mega Set for Genesis 9 and 8 Female  (I used only a pose)

    Older, on sale
    Polish Photography Studio Bundle (I used Studio 3)
    Iray Window Lights (Be careful with this one. It tries to load the prop set as a scene and wipe out your work if you are not careful.)

     

    In all the years I have played at this hobby, I have always envied those people who can capture lighting so well. 

    Iray Window Lights (Be careful with this one. It tries to load the prop set as a scene and wipe out your work if you are not careful.)

    I have been looking for this for a long time! So, how do I keep from it trying to be a scene instead of a prop. I always hate things that do that.

    Probably right-click on the Window Light item and choose "Merge" from the drop-dpwn.

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