Omni Shader Hair Thread

chevybabe25 · March 1

SGatton said:

chevybabe25 said:

I just tried this on one of Neftis hairs, and the outcome was not spectacular. This is definitely for strand hair only.

I may have figured out how to use the shaders on "regular" hair. The problem is the cutout opacity. When you apply the shader, it kills the opacity transmap. If you turn on opacity and then set the regular trans map, the hair disappears. But, if you open the mat in Daz's Layered Image Editor, invert the image (swap white and black) & apply, and set the opacity to around .35, the hair looks like it should. Did it on Neftis's Jeremy Hair. It's made from tubes, but this method seems to have handled the problems. This is only a quick render, but the dude on the left has Neftis's Jeremy Long Hair & AprilYSH's Iden Beard (strand), while the woman on the right is wearing your Feisty Feather Bun. All are using these shaders and they look freaking awesome.

Interesting!!!!

SGatton · March 1

chevybabe25 said:

SGatton said:

chevybabe25 said:

I just tried this on one of Neftis hairs, and the outcome was not spectacular. This is definitely for strand hair only.

I may have figured out how to use the shaders on "regular" hair. The problem is the cutout opacity. When you apply the shader, it kills the opacity transmap. If you turn on opacity and then set the regular trans map, the hair disappears. But, if you open the mat in Daz's Layered Image Editor, invert the image (swap white and black) & apply, and set the opacity to around .35, the hair looks like it should. Did it on Neftis's Jeremy Hair. It's made from tubes, but this method seems to have handled the problems. This is only a quick render, but the dude on the left has Neftis's Jeremy Long Hair & AprilYSH's Iden Beard (strand), while the woman on the right is wearing your Feisty Feather Bun. All are using these shaders and they look freaking awesome.

Interesting!!!!

I'm testing it on her Eirgrid Hair now, and it's looking good. I may have to play with some other settings elsewhere, but this is a quick render of how it looks. I'm messing with the gloss settings a bit, but it still looks promising.

barbult · March 1

I really like seeing what everyone is doing with the new shader.

NewGuy · March 1

One more from me (since PhilW reminded me of his SBH hairs...)

This time for Genesis 8.1. MSO Maureen with Long Drape Hair, Revolution - Omni Shader (Dark Chocolate).

Artini · March 1

Just found the second hair in my already purchased products library, that works with Omni Shader.

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-alexa-hair-for-genesis-3--8-females

Used Coffee Bean preset from https://www.daz3d.com/revolution--omni-shader-presets-for-strand-based-hairs

The quest for finding Strand Based hair in my library will continue...

felis · March 1

Artini · March 1

Another compatible hair has been found - https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-bristol-hair-for-genesis-8

I have applied Blushed Blonde Intense preset from https://www.daz3d.com/revolution--omni-shader-presets-for-strand-based-hairs

Artini · March 1

Hair by Cake One also works, but I could not find Tesselation Sides in it.

https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-c1-spiky-hair-for-genesis-3-and-8

I have used Light Mermaid Blue Intense preset from https://www.daz3d.com/revolution--omni-shader-presets-for-strand-based-hairs

Eboshijaana · March 1

So I noticed that the melanin slider could include an image. I tested if I could do darker markings this way.

Success, these spots are purely from the melanin slider at 1.00.

barbult · March 1

Eboshijaana said:

So I noticed that the melanin slider could include an image. I tested if I could do darker markings this way.

Success, these spots are purely from the melanin slider at 1.00.

Great discovery!

memcneil70 · March 1

This is CNB Brielle for G9F with dForce Valencya Hair by Propschick and DO. It has a lot of different areas for using shaders on it, so I played with the Omni Shaders SBH Deep Auburns and Fiery Reds, both versions. I tried to use the lighter versions on what I thought was the upper/front areas but it was hit and miss as it all looked dark on my screen. I didn't see the result until now with the render. I used the Beautiful Neutrals 08C.

Oso3D · March 1

Eboshijaana said:

So I noticed that the melanin slider could include an image. I tested if I could do darker markings this way.

Success, these spots are purely from the melanin slider at 1.00.

Awesome! Yeah, I've been debating making fur with melanin maps rather than other maps. The project I'm almost done with now, maybe not, but in future...

Eboshijaana · March 1

Oso3D said:

Eboshijaana said:

So I noticed that the melanin slider could include an image. I tested if I could do darker markings this way.

Success, these spots are purely from the melanin slider at 1.00.

Awesome! Yeah, I've been debating making fur with melanin maps rather than other maps. The project I'm almost done with now, maybe not, but in future...

I think the best use of it would be like your custom dual-lobe shader did it. Used for markings that NEED to be black/black-reddish. Or for stuff like ticking. While the main colour maps handle the non-black colour.

I need to test if I could turn a gray wolf black with it, but if I can, it could truly offer more options for making belivable markings.

Matt_Castle · March 2

I've tried some experimentation with creating Strand Based Hair for my centaurs to see if I could use the Omni shader on it, but while visually it has promise, unfortunately I've hit enough problems I don't think I can use it going forwards.

The hair's short enough that I could manage without the lack of simulation, but the non-dynamic SBH is completely missing the capacity to control the hair generation with shader maps, which is a problem when I need to be able to fit clothing.

The basic SBH lacking both dynamics and map control seriously limits what end users can use it for; no long hair, and no full body hair if you want to have any clothes involved.

It does dampen my enthusiasm for this new tech, because while it's presented as a leap forwards, a lot of my characters simply can't be updated because there's no suitable hair that matches their existing looks, and even with my pretty decent asset creation skills, I don't have the tools to fix that myself.

WendyLuvsCatz · March 2

so it is again another DAZ advancement for PA locked products

something else I will skip

since I don't usually simulate fur anyway it's actually something I do use the Strandbased editor for and may have eventually used this with to improve the results

(and has never stopped me buying superior DAZ PA furred entities by PAs like Oso3D just like I buy premade clothes and characters, otherwise I would be using Blender and making everything myself by scratch like all the other 3D masochists such as FENNAH)

Chronopunk · March 2

QQ for Chevybabe25 - this will work with your Fringe Benefits hair, won't it?

It's only my favorite hair in my entire library. :)

jd641 · March 2

barbult said:

jd641 said:

barbult said:

Nordic Knots and Halo Hair

Most of the time I can guess what morphs are being used but I'm at a total loss at who you used here, looks fanstatic though. I hope you don't if I ask you who/what you used?

@jd641 Here are the morphs I dialed:

/Actor/Full Body/People/Feminine/Mira 9 Body HD Details: 1

/Actor/Full Body/People/Feminine/MB Herlinda Body: 0.25

/Actor/Full Body/People/Feminine/Mira 9 Body: 0.25

/Actor/Hands/Base/MSO_G9_Nails: 0.719

/Actor/Head/Base/Proportion Head Size: 0.079

/Actor/Head/Neck/Base/Proportion Neck Length: -1.00

/Actor/Head/People/Feminine/Mira 9 Head HD Details: 1

/Actor/Head/People/Feminine/Base Feminine Head: 0.400

/Actor/Head/People/Feminine/P3D Mia Head: 0.400

/Actor/Head/People/Feminine/MB Herlinda Head: 0.25

/Actor/Head/People/Feminine/Mira 9 Head: 0.600

/Actor/People/Feminine/Mira 9 HD Details: 1

/Actor/People/Feminine/Mira 9: 0.5

/Actor/People/Feminine/P3D Mia: 0.200

/Actor/People/Feminine/MB Herlinda: 0.5

The materials are from Maryam 9.

oooh that's a detailed breakdown thanks! I don't have any of those morphs but I have P3D Mia and MB Herlinda on my wishlist for whenever stop being broke.

barbult · March 2

@chevybabe25 I installed the latest color preset DIM update today and the Snow White hair base color still has this missing file error: /data/Daz 3D/Built-in Content/OmniHair Root-Tip Blend/OmniHair Root-Tip Blend.dsf. The data file path is still wrong.

chevybabe25 · March 2

@Chronopunk - yes. it will work on any of my older strand hairs including that one. However, you will need to select the hair in the scene, it is parented to the cap, and change the line tesselation settings to 0 for both viewport and render. You can find these options under the parameters tab.

Barbult Im on it. It will be fixed ASAP and this time it will be right.

NewGuy · March 2

@chevybabe25, I PM'ed you.

chevybabe25 · March 2

I am putting in for an update. The White preset that has caused grief has been fixed and tested. There will also be some standard property presets (thanks to NewGuy) for setting line tesselation and Previewing the PR Hairs on the older hairs. This one will take a little longer to get out, because it has new features, but at least you know it is on the way!

Artini · March 2

Thank you for an update, Chevybabe25.

Do you think one can get patterns on the hair by inserting some map into Melanin custom Preset?

Artini · March 2

By the way this hair https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-desert-queen-hair-for-genesis-3-and-8-females

looks awesome with https://www.daz3d.com/revolution--omni-shader-presets-for-strand-based-hairs

My favorite hair, so far...

PaulaDegg · March 2

I made a list of strand based hair for somebody a while ago, they are only ones I personally have and are only for G3/G8, but maybe somebody will find it handy

(I did`nt get around to doing G9 ones, I lost the will to live after doing this lot, hahaha)

Artini · March 2

Thanks for the list, PaulaDegg. Great to know.

Chronopunk · March 2

chevybabe25 said:

@Chronopunk - yes. it will work on any of my older strand hairs including that one. However, you will need to select the hair in the scene, it is parented to the cap, and change the line tesselation settings to 0 for both viewport and render. You can find these options under the parameters tab.

Barbult Im on it. It will be fixed ASAP and this time it will be right.

ACES. Thank you. :)

Artini · March 2

The hair https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-desert-queen-hair-for-genesis-3-and-8-females

is also very well made for dForce simulation. It simulates quickly and without any problems.

ManFriday · March 2

No fancy scene, just a screenshot of my viewport. But Alessando's lion that use a lot for my promos ( https://www.daz3d.com/felidae-by-am--lion--dforce-addon ) looks great with the new shader, and the viewport is just so much snappier even with all that hair. The lion used to kill my machine, and now it just works.

felis · March 2

I am trying to understand how textures works in the omnihair shader.

I took a hair and applied the shader, set melanin values to a lower values, and root and tip to 2 grey values, so the result was a light blond hair (picture 1).

I then created a (kind of) rainbow texture - two actually, one horizontal and one vertical.

I then tried to apply these textures to root and tip, but I was somewhat surprised of the results. Applying it either at root or tip gave a rather suttle effect, but applying it to both gave much more effect.

Is there any guides to how to make/apply textures?

My assumption is that the strands are aligned vertical on the texture - but it is more or less a guess. I didn't see any clear evidence based on my renders. Or it might depend on the individual hair.

Why the texture has to be applied to both root and tip to create a significant effect is unclear to me.

The attached images are:

1 Base hair, without textures.

2 Texture in root

3 Texture in tip

4 Texture in both.

Picture 1

Picture 4

paulawp (marahzen) · March 2

Another one .. This is Fiery Red on RedzStudio's dForce Newton hair.

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