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  • sapatsapat Posts: 1,735

    I let my PC+ expire at the end of Feb. It's a black hole for me and my cc. For over a year (or more) I pay on my cc every month,  but the balance never goes down cuz of spending here. Daz is like a loan shark for me. You keep paying but you never get ahead. :(   I have every Pro Bundle known to man except the rare few that I'd never use. I haven't even downloaded content from way back to Monique 8 Pro Bundle from Nov 2017.  Pathetic. So yeah, I'm tapping out even though I've been a PC member since it became a 'thing'.
    I wish I could hang in there, but the need to buy a newer used car in 4 months outweighs the need to nearly max out my cc.

    Does anyone feel like this or is it just me? I even took the Daz link off my menu bar to avoid temptation. Sigh....crying

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    dragonfly_2004 said:
    nicstt said:
    Luciel said:
    Ati said:
    Luciel said:

     

    I agree. Daz Maths works fine.

    Daz English is confusing.

    English? It's not English, it's American.

    Yanklish then ;)

    Laurie

  • ElgyfuElgyfu Posts: 279
    I really want the Floyd bundle, but am so stressed at trying to decide if I should buy now or wait. I am pretty sure that when I first rejoined the PC, in November, there was a day when most 7 and 8 characters were $1.99. I so wish I had bought more then. Will this happen again? So confusing trying to juggle multiple items, stacked discounts and no idea if it might be much cheaper in a weeks time. I got caught out buying the PC membership for a "bargain" 30% off, only for it to be 50% off soon after. Is the current Pro bundle deal a "go for it" or a "wait a while". Will it be in the catchup thingz?
  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,795
    Wendy_Carrara said:
    nonesuch00 said:

    I am waiting for more really big discounts. I bought the Faveral's Le Village Bundle even though it's old it still looks good but I was surprised it didn't come with two or three scenes like in the promo art and the discount for it was just the typical 'anytime there's a sale' discount. It does seem like past MM had bigger discounts. I am waiting to see the discounts on the 3DU catalogue (when it's up again - probably not until the 1st catch-up weekend), Skin Builder 8, X-Morphs, and the female version of Pedro Furtado's G8 Smiley Faces.

    Mod edit to remedy the rather unfortunate typo

     

    damn I am curious now what and where thd typo was cheeky

    reread several times cannot deduce

    yes would love a preload for some of those Le Village scenes

    Usually it's autocorrect on my iPhone/FB app that is giving me fits so it's nice that is was my own brain this time. Truth is though when I actually bother to proofread I find in my typing all sorts on mistakes based most frequently off of homonyms, pronouns, and other such linguistic features that seem to overwhelm the English language but make it a jokester's dream language.

    I am working on a Le Village scene (almost wrote seen instead) now. I will try to copy the scene in the ad copy and include the scene file with my render when it's done in the gallery.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,795
    sapat said:

    I let my PC+ expire at the end of Feb. It's a black hole for me and my cc. For over a year (or more) I pay on my cc every month,  but the balance never goes down cuz of spending here. Daz is like a loan shark for me. You keep paying but you never get ahead. :(   I have every Pro Bundle known to man except the rare few that I'd never use. I haven't even downloaded content from way back to Monique 8 Pro Bundle from Nov 2017.  Pathetic. So yeah, I'm tapping out even though I've been a PC member since it became a 'thing'.
    I wish I could hang in there, but the need to buy a newer used car in 4 months outweighs the need to nearly max out my cc.

    Does anyone feel like this or is it just me? I even took the Daz link off my menu bar to avoid temptation. Sigh....crying

    I wouldn't worry too much, if it's not DAZ it's something else. You are right though about one thing, sometimes if you've run a balance for a while on a CC it is a surprise and a pleasure to watch the balance go down after not using them to buy anything for a while.

    Good luck with your car. I found one for $4000 in 2015 with only 67K miles and it get the best ratings it could be given for that model year, 2007, by both the government crash ratings test and the crash ratings test done by a consortium of insurance companies. $4000 sounds like a lot, and it is, but compared to the Used Car Lots and the private ads I was seeing I was thrilled to find that car. When you buy a used car you can easily spend $20K for a lemon with no warrentee to speak of.  You'll find you will get a much better deal if you shop for a big prudish car rather than a sporty one or one that is foreign made. Some of the best deals are if you buy an old used police cruiser as they a large, excellent safety & crash ratings, low miles, and regular maintaince. They are usually cheap but burn a lot of gas. 

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    sapat said:

    I let my PC+ expire at the end of Feb. It's a black hole for me and my cc. For over a year (or more) I pay on my cc every month,  but the balance never goes down cuz of spending here. Daz is like a loan shark for me. You keep paying but you never get ahead. :(   I have every Pro Bundle known to man except the rare few that I'd never use. I haven't even downloaded content from way back to Monique 8 Pro Bundle from Nov 2017.  Pathetic. So yeah, I'm tapping out even though I've been a PC member since it became a 'thing'.
    I wish I could hang in there, but the need to buy a newer used car in 4 months outweighs the need to nearly max out my cc.

    Does anyone feel like this or is it just me? I even took the Daz link off my menu bar to avoid temptation. Sigh....crying

    Not quite like this. However, my meager SS income must now go elsewhere since my husband retired. I've gotten a lot pickier about what I'm willing to spend money on, and often pass up things I'd like to have because I can't justify the cost. (My problem, not a reflection of the products.)

    I think buying 3D products is like a bell curve. At first, we hesitate to buy because we don't know what we're doing or what we'll need. Then comes the buying frenzy, where we buy things we like, even when we haven't a clue how to use them. At the top of the bell, our spending is still high, but we know what we're doing and have an idea what products we can and will use, and what products we'll probably never use. And for a time, our spending is close to level. But the more products we have, the fewer new releases become iinstant buys, and go into the wishlist instead. Our spending drops off, slowly at first, and then we quickly drop to the other side of that bell.
    smiley

    Of course, everyone's bell looks different, as it is fueled, or curtailed, as much by budget as desire.

    Best of luck on finding an exceptional value on your next used car.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,452
    AllenArt said:
    dragonfly_2004 said:
    nicstt said:
    Luciel said:
    Ati said:
    Luciel said:

     

    I agree. Daz Maths works fine.

    Daz English is confusing.

    English? It's not English, it's American.

    Yanklish then ;)

    Laurie

    The  funny thing is that, when the BBC decided to record Shakespeare as it would have actually sounded when originally written, it was found that due to vowel shifts and lingual contamination from "the continent", the English spoken in America's Apalachian region... what we Yanks call hillbilly...is actually closer to the English of Shakespeare than any of the living UK dialects.   https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/224/in-what-ways-is-appalachian-speech-closer-to-elizabethan-english-than-contempora

    Ironic, ain't it?

  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,789
    Richard Haseltine said:

    The 10% off for having Key item(s) seems to be working now.

    But still no news on the extra 20% off Pro Bundles with a Newly Mad Item?

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,014
    MelanieL said:
    Richard Haseltine said:

    The 10% off for having Key item(s) seems to be working now.

    But still no news on the extra 20% off Pro Bundles with a Newly Mad Item?

    Where is that offer?

  • LosingSignalLosingSignal Posts: 409
    Richard Haseltine said:
    MelanieL said:
    Richard Haseltine said:

    The 10% off for having Key item(s) seems to be working now.

    But still no news on the extra 20% off Pro Bundles with a Newly Mad Item?

    Where is that offer?

    Under the Related Mad items, I think.

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  • ByrdieByrdie Posts: 1,783

    :sigh: Price of my cart just jumped by another $5 on that Nix Pro bundle. Is this thing ever going to work?

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,847
    sapat said:

    I let my PC+ expire at the end of Feb. It's a black hole for me and my cc. For over a year (or more) I pay on my cc every month,  but the balance never goes down cuz of spending here. Daz is like a loan shark for me. You keep paying but you never get ahead. :(   I have every Pro Bundle known to man except the rare few that I'd never use. I haven't even downloaded content from way back to Monique 8 Pro Bundle from Nov 2017.  Pathetic. So yeah, I'm tapping out even though I've been a PC member since it became a 'thing'.
    I wish I could hang in there, but the need to buy a newer used car in 4 months outweighs the need to nearly max out my cc.

    Does anyone feel like this or is it just me? I even took the Daz link off my menu bar to avoid temptation. Sigh....crying

    I feel ya. Luckily I have a little more self control, LOL

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,014
    LosingSignal said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    MelanieL said:
    Richard Haseltine said:

    The 10% off for having Key item(s) seems to be working now.

    But still no news on the extra 20% off Pro Bundles with a Newly Mad Item?

    Where is that offer?

    Under the Related Mad items, I think.

    Ah, yes - sorry, I'd read past that. Reported it now.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,014
    Richard Haseltine said:
    LosingSignal said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    MelanieL said:
    Richard Haseltine said:

    The 10% off for having Key item(s) seems to be working now.

    But still no news on the extra 20% off Pro Bundles with a Newly Mad Item?

    Where is that offer?

    Under the Related Mad items, I think.

    Ah, yes - sorry, I'd read past that. Reported it now.

    My apologies, that offer was left from the weekend and was not intended to apply today at all.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,286
    L'Adair said:
    Taoz said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Taoz said:
    L'Adair said:
    Taoz said:
    L'Adair said:
    Luciel said:

    Don't know if it's a bug or just worded strangely, but.

    40% OFF Related Madness Items

    Buy 2 or more to get them at 50% OFF*

    Buy any Newly Mad Release Item above to get an EXTRA 20% OFF* THESE ITEMS

    Makes it sound like you can buy 2 for 50%, and then another "extra 20%" for 70% off total. 

    However fufilling what it looks like it says only gets you 60%.

    As others have stated, it actually is correct mathematically. However, for future reference, Daz had been pretty good about stating discount 1 for this and discount 2 for that, when the discounts add instead of stack. For example, look at many of the flash and blink sales that state, "50% Discount, or 60% with purchase of a new release."

    As a general rule of thumb, if the wording doesn't explicitly state the total discount when the requirement is met, assume the discounts stack like this:

    • (((Price -A%) -B%) -C%) and so on.

    Like you say, it's "a general rule", not a logical mathematical fact. A logical mathematical fact is e.g. 1 + 1 = 2, you can't argue about that or call it a "general rule" as this means there are alternative interpretations.

    @Taoz, I see I wasn't explicit enough… My bad. I was referring only to Daz advertising. I have edited my post to add that clarification.

    As for how to solve an equation, perhaps this article on The Order of Operations will be helpful.

    I know about the order of the operations, but that's just the established (convenient I guess) default way of calculation if no parantheses are set. Basically it just says: 1 + 2 x 3 = 7 by silently setting default parantheses: 1 + (2 x 3). But mathematically (1 + 2) x 3 = 9 is equally correct, and both are used all the time depending on the context.

    Essentially the equation 1 + 2 x 3 is mathematically ambigious and therefore invalid (at least in finite math) without the parantheses, you must set parantheses to make it computable (and the computer does that for you if you don't, using the default order).

    It is not ambiguous, as noted the rukles for standard arithmetic say multi0lication/division are performed befoer addition subtraction, as they are encountered going from left to right. Adding parentheses can be used to override that, but they are not required to define a single correct answer to an equation. It's true that calculator manufacturers have, shamefully, been allowed to produce devices (non-"scientific" calculators) that give wrong answers but that doesn't make them right. You certainly could define a non-standard mathematics in which equations were read from left to right, with no precedence, but that would have to be declaed as such when presenting any equation to be calculated in that way.

    I agree, but my point is just that because something is accepted as a general rule it doesn't necessarily mean that it's the only correct way (or even the best way) of doing it. Since the DAZ math is complex to calculate and is confusing to many it's not a very good way of doing it IMO.

    I feel like I've been misquoted and the resulting conversation has spiraled out of control. Math has specific rules so no matter who is calculating an equation—simple or extremely complex—if they follow the rules, they will all get the same answer. My "general rule of thumb" comment had nothing to do with math. I was referring to the adcopy of Daz sales.

    OK, sorry if I've misquoted you (though the "general rule" you marked bold two quotes above had nothing to do with anything you have said, I was just refering to general rules, well, in general :) ).

    But I'm pulling out of this discussion, though my opinion remains the same: the math DAZ uses for percentage calculation is inconvenient and confusing, be it "correct" or not. That was basically just what I wanted to say in the first place.

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,048
    edited March 2019

    ...again the "key" items are not only pricey, but nothing I am interested in as I do not use G8. Would be nice to see a few more "generic" items as "keys" like simpler props and sets.

    Somehow paving 66$ - 94$ for a pro bundle to get an extra 10% savings kind of seems economically inefficient.

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  • fictionalbookshelffictionalbookshelf Posts: 837
    kyoto kid said:

    ...again the "key" items are not only pricey, but nothing I am interested in as I do not use G8. Would be nice to see a few more "generic" items as "keys" like simpler props and sets.

    Somehow paving 66$ - 94$ for a pro bundle to get an extra 10% savings kind of seems economically inefficient.

    I agree with all of this!

  • cdpro_2831bbd990cdpro_2831bbd990 Posts: 1,430
    nicstt said:
    Luciel said:
    Ati said:
    Luciel said:

    Don't know if it's a bug or just worded strangely, but.

    40% OFF Related Madness Items

    Buy 2 or more to get them at 50% OFF*

    Buy any Newly Mad Release Item above to get an EXTRA 20% OFF* THESE ITEMS

    Makes it sound like you can buy 2 for 50%, and then another "extra 20%" for 70% off total. 

    However fufilling what it looks like it says only gets you 60%.

    That's not a bug, that's how percentages work.

    $100 * 0.5 (=50% off)  * 0.8 (=20% off) = $40

    I know that, however how it's worded sounds like (50+20 extra). Not "50% off first and then 20% off afterwards". It's a bit needlessly misleading. 

    I agree. Daz Maths works fine.

    Daz English is confusing.

    Yes and it changes according to the sale. So an extra 20% might show up as an additional 20% off in the cart, or it might show up as already figured into the sale price. You just never know with Daz. Plus you often see items in a scrolling sale page that aren't actually included as a featured item, but are listed underneath the featured item selections. It's confusing enough for those of us who shop here all the time. So I can imagine how it must be for the casual shoppers who just check in once in a while. Nevertheless, the sales will sometimes go in your favor. You'll get a multiple stacking deal or glitch then gives you a fantastic discount. It's all part of the game of buying on here.
  • cdpro_2831bbd990cdpro_2831bbd990 Posts: 1,430
    sapat said:

    I let my PC+ expire at the end of Feb. It's a black hole for me and my cc. For over a year (or more) I pay on my cc every month,  but the balance never goes down cuz of spending here. Daz is like a loan shark for me. You keep paying but you never get ahead. :(   I have every Pro Bundle known to man except the rare few that I'd never use. I haven't even downloaded content from way back to Monique 8 Pro Bundle from Nov 2017.  Pathetic. So yeah, I'm tapping out even though I've been a PC member since it became a 'thing'.
    I wish I could hang in there, but the need to buy a newer used car in 4 months outweighs the need to nearly max out my cc.

    Does anyone feel like this or is it just me? I even took the Daz link off my menu bar to avoid temptation. Sigh....crying

    Yes I totally get it. I had to rein in the spending myself last year. And I still check back here every day to see what's on sale. It's funny to me that a lot of us talk about our spending budget on here as if this is something that really needs to be budgeted in. I do enjoy shopping on here. But it's far from necessary. Unless you are professional that uses these 3D models in their daily work and can monetize that effort, this is really a hobby of collecting, with the unfortunate downside that the only value these items have is in how you use them. if you never get around to rendering an image with a specific item that you've bought in it, you have spent that money for nothing. These models are not investment items like baseball cards or coins or even Star wars toys. The license to use these models won't grow in value. You don't need all of these models to make some really nice art. You can do that with a few choice items and the basics that come with studio. The extras do help, and they are fun to use. You just have to keep in mind that they are extras and not necessities. There is waste in any hobby or craft. You can't avoid it entirely. But you can minimize it by asking yourself whether or not you are actually going to use an item that you are wanting to buy. This is the sort of thing I try to remind myself of every time I get all sale happy. Sometimes it works :-). But just like everyone else on here who shops in here regularly, I have hundreds if not thousands of items I've never rendered, and many that I probably never will.
  • cdpro_2831bbd990cdpro_2831bbd990 Posts: 1,430
    edited March 2019

    "But I'm pulling out of this discussion, though my opinion remains the same: the math DAZ uses for percentage calculation is inconvenient and confusing, be it "correct" or not. That was basically just what I wanted to say in the first place."

     

    I have to agree with you there. Right or wrong the fact remains that people find the ad copy confusing and regularly ask the question about Daz math. It doesn't really bother me. I'm used to it. But I think your point is valid.
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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,452
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    LosingSignal said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    MelanieL said:
    Richard Haseltine said:

    The 10% off for having Key item(s) seems to be working now.

    But still no news on the extra 20% off Pro Bundles with a Newly Mad Item?

    Where is that offer?

    Under the Related Mad items, I think.

    Ah, yes - sorry, I'd read past that. Reported it now.

    My apologies, that offer was left from the weekend and was not intended to apply today at all.

    Whether it was intended or not, If an item or sale is advertised all day at the incorrect price, you can buy the item and make a time stamped copy of the ad showing that, then submit it to customer sevice to get a partial refund. 

  • LindseyLindsey Posts: 2,011
    kyoto kid said:

    ...again the "key" items are not only pricey, but nothing I am interested in as I do not use G8. Would be nice to see a few more "generic" items as "keys" like simpler props and sets.

    Somehow paving 66$ - 94$ for a pro bundle to get an extra 10% savings kind of seems economically inefficient.

    The Bridget 8 Pro Bundle with two add-ons for PC members is $34.02, bringing the Bridget 8 HD Add On to $3.02.  Still need to cart $50 in DAZ O freebies. too!

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  • cdpro_2831bbd990cdpro_2831bbd990 Posts: 1,430
    I'm not seeing a discount for the HD add-on. But I haven't bought anything for 3 days.
  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 12,638
    cdpro_2831bbd990 said:
    I'm not seeing a discount for the HD add-on. But I haven't bought anything for 3 days.

    It's today's Bonus Madness on the March Madness page. https://www.daz3d.com/welcome-to-march-madness-2019

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,795
    Cybersox said:
    AllenArt said:
    dragonfly_2004 said:
    nicstt said:
    Luciel said:
    Ati said:
    Luciel said:

     

    I agree. Daz Maths works fine.

    Daz English is confusing.

    English? It's not English, it's American.

    Yanklish then ;)

    Laurie

    The  funny thing is that, when the BBC decided to record Shakespeare as it would have actually sounded when originally written, it was found that due to vowel shifts and lingual contamination from "the continent", the English spoken in America's Apalachian region... what we Yanks call hillbilly...is actually closer to the English of Shakespeare than any of the living UK dialects.   https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/224/in-what-ways-is-appalachian-speech-closer-to-elizabethan-english-than-contempora

    Ironic, ain't it?

    LOL, I was doing genealogy on Ancestry yesterday & I got a record hint for a 5th Great Grandfather Samuel Howard but the census taker had written it as the person who was asked pronounced Sam Howard so in that particular census it was spelled Sam Hord in the census (and you can bet that r in Hord would be barely discerable too if you've heard that accent - they tend to lock their jaws when speaking). That accent is still arround in that part of Appalachia. The census taker must of been green because they know they are always supposed to ask for the spelling. 

  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,789
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    LosingSignal said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    MelanieL said:
    Richard Haseltine said:

    The 10% off for having Key item(s) seems to be working now.

    But still no news on the extra 20% off Pro Bundles with a Newly Mad Item?

    Where is that offer?

    Under the Related Mad items, I think.

    Ah, yes - sorry, I'd read past that. Reported it now.

    My apologies, that offer was left from the weekend and was not intended to apply today at all.

    Ah, I see - so that bit of text about an extra 20% off came from Sunday's Related Madness and not Monday's. Ah well, I just dumped that cart because "there's always another sale". Thanks for checking, Richard.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,014
    edited March 2019

    New Bonus and Key items:

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  • adaceyadacey Posts: 186

    This has been the best day so far for me. Well, after snapping up a 15% off gift card yesterday. Bridget Pro + HD add-on + Edie and Mika Pro Bundles, Lucas 8 and Owen 8 HD add-ons, a handful of other items. Worked out to like $640 for $130, which I used with store credit from my $200 gift card from yesterday (that only cost $170). So if my math's right, probably only $110 of real money for all of that?

  • MisselthwaiteMisselthwaite Posts: 961

    All the days are my best days - haven't spent a thing since the first day.  Nothing I need, and - more frighteningly - nothing I even want!  I might make it into 'Daz Recovery' yet :-D

  • sapatsapat Posts: 1,735
    nonesuch00 said:
    sapat said:

    I let my PC+ expire at the end of Feb. It's a black hole for me and my cc. For over a year (or more) I pay on my cc every month,  but the balance never goes down cuz of spending here. Daz is like a loan shark for me. You keep paying but you never get ahead. :(   I have every Pro Bundle known to man except the rare few that I'd never use. I haven't even downloaded content from way back to Monique 8 Pro Bundle from Nov 2017.  Pathetic. So yeah, I'm tapping out even though I've been a PC member since it became a 'thing'.
    I wish I could hang in there, but the need to buy a newer used car in 4 months outweighs the need to nearly max out my cc.

    Does anyone feel like this or is it just me? I even took the Daz link off my menu bar to avoid temptation. Sigh....crying

    I wouldn't worry too much, if it's not DAZ it's something else. You are right though about one thing, sometimes if you've run a balance for a while on a CC it is a surprise and a pleasure to watch the balance go down after not using them to buy anything for a while.

    Good luck with your car. I found one for $4000 in 2015 with only 67K miles and it get the best ratings it could be given for that model year, 2007, by both the government crash ratings test and the crash ratings test done by a consortium of insurance companies. $4000 sounds like a lot, and it is, but compared to the Used Car Lots and the private ads I was seeing I was thrilled to find that car. When you buy a used car you can easily spend $20K for a lemon with no warrentee to speak of.  You'll find you will get a much better deal if you shop for a big prudish car rather than a sporty one or one that is foreign made. Some of the best deals are if you buy an old used police cruiser as they a large, excellent safety & crash ratings, low miles, and regular maintaince. They are usually cheap but burn a lot of gas. 

     

    nonesuch00 said:
    sapat said:

    I let my PC+ expire at the end of Feb. It's a black hole for me and my cc. For over a year (or more) I pay on my cc every month,  but the balance never goes down cuz of spending here. Daz is like a loan shark for me. You keep paying but you never get ahead. :(   I have every Pro Bundle known to man except the rare few that I'd never use. I haven't even downloaded content from way back to Monique 8 Pro Bundle from Nov 2017.  Pathetic. So yeah, I'm tapping out even though I've been a PC member since it became a 'thing'.
    I wish I could hang in there, but the need to buy a newer used car in 4 months outweighs the need to nearly max out my cc.

    Does anyone feel like this or is it just me? I even took the Daz link off my menu bar to avoid temptation. Sigh....crying

    I wouldn't worry too much, if it's not DAZ it's something else. You are right though about one thing, sometimes if you've run a balance for a while on a CC it is a surprise and a pleasure to watch the balance go down after not using them to buy anything for a while.

    Good luck with your car. I found one for $4000 in 2015 with only 67K miles and it get the best ratings it could be given for that model year, 2007, by both the government crash ratings test and the crash ratings test done by a consortium of insurance companies. $4000 sounds like a lot, and it is, but compared to the Used Car Lots and the private ads I was seeing I was thrilled to find that car. When you buy a used car you can easily spend $20K for a lemon with no warrentee to speak of.  You'll find you will get a much better deal if you shop for a big prudish car rather than a sporty one or one that is foreign made. Some of the best deals are if you buy an old used police cruiser as they a large, excellent safety & crash ratings, low miles, and regular maintaince. They are usually cheap but burn a lot of gas. 

     

    FSMCDesigns said:
    sapat said:

    I let my PC+ expire at the end of Feb. It's a black hole for me and my cc. For over a year (or more) I pay on my cc every month,  but the balance never goes down cuz of spending here. Daz is like a loan shark for me. You keep paying but you never get ahead. :(   I have every Pro Bundle known to man except the rare few that I'd never use. I haven't even downloaded content from way back to Monique 8 Pro Bundle from Nov 2017.  Pathetic. So yeah, I'm tapping out even though I've been a PC member since it became a 'thing'.
    I wish I could hang in there, but the need to buy a newer used car in 4 months outweighs the need to nearly max out my cc.

    Does anyone feel like this or is it just me? I even took the Daz link off my menu bar to avoid temptation. Sigh....crying

    I feel ya. Luckily I have a little more self control, LOL

    Self control.....I lost that years ago!  The fact I had to drop my PC is already giving me withdrawl.  I do need to let my cc balance go down, and I'll bet you're right, in a few months of not spending here,it will, and I can do a 'wow'! 
    The big car sounds good, but need something smaller. (limited driveway space and won't fit in garage). Don't plan on spending over $10 grand, so we'll see what's out there. I've got 4 months to find one since we can't afford any more repair bills on my 1994 Explorer.
    Well, thanks for indulging me in my 'boo hoo' moment of letting go and not dogging me for my OT moment of weakness

    Now, back to the show................yes
     

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