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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,014
    edited March 2019

    Already posted above, but new Bonus and Key item today:

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    1028 x 488 - 62K
    MM19 Key Day 8.jpg
    899 x 511 - 111K
    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,014
    edited March 2019
    Taoz said:
    L'Adair said:
    Taoz said:
    L'Adair said:
    Luciel said:

    Don't know if it's a bug or just worded strangely, but.

    40% OFF Related Madness Items

    Buy 2 or more to get them at 50% OFF*

    Buy any Newly Mad Release Item above to get an EXTRA 20% OFF* THESE ITEMS

    Makes it sound like you can buy 2 for 50%, and then another "extra 20%" for 70% off total. 

    However fufilling what it looks like it says only gets you 60%.

    As others have stated, it actually is correct mathematically. However, for future reference, Daz had been pretty good about stating discount 1 for this and discount 2 for that, when the discounts add instead of stack. For example, look at many of the flash and blink sales that state, "50% Discount, or 60% with purchase of a new release."

    As a general rule of thumb, if the wording doesn't explicitly state the total discount when the requirement is met, assume the discounts stack like this:

    • (((Price -A%) -B%) -C%) and so on.

    Like you say, it's "a general rule", not a logical mathematical fact. A logical mathematical fact is e.g. 1 + 1 = 2, you can't argue about that or call it a "general rule" as this means there are alternative interpretations.

    @Taoz, I see I wasn't explicit enough… My bad. I was referring only to Daz advertising. I have edited my post to add that clarification.

    As for how to solve an equation, perhaps this article on The Order of Operations will be helpful.

    I know about the order of the operations, but that's just the established (convenient I guess) default way of calculation if no parantheses are set. Basically it just says: 1 + 2 x 3 = 7 by silently setting default parantheses: 1 + (2 x 3). But mathematically (1 + 2) x 3 = 9 is equally correct, and both are used all the time depending on the context.

    Essentially the equation 1 + 2 x 3 is mathematically ambigious and therefore invalid (at least in finite math) without the parantheses, you must set parantheses to make it computable (and the computer does that for you if you don't, using the default order).

    It is not ambiguous, as noted the rukles for standard arithmetic say multi0lication/division are performed befoer addition subtraction, as they are encountered going from left to right. Adding parentheses can be used to override that, but they are not required to define a single correct answer to an equation. It's true that calculator manufacturers have, shamefully, been allowed to produce devices (non-"scientific" calculators) that give wrong answers but that doesn't make them right. You certainly could define a non-standard mathematics in which equations were read from left to right, with no precedence, but that would have to be declaed as such when presenting any equation to be calculated in that way.

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine on
  • KharmaKharma Posts: 3,214
    Charlie Judge said:
    Cris Palomino said:

    Just made my cart and I'm not getting the extra 10%. I'm going to put in a ticket, but will email Daz.

    I own Landon 8 Pro and I'm not getting the extra 10% either

    Extra 10% is not working for me either, I own both Landon pro and Tasha pro bundles

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,014

    The missing 10% has been reported.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,286
    edited March 2019
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Taoz said:
    L'Adair said:
    Taoz said:
    L'Adair said:
    Luciel said:

    Don't know if it's a bug or just worded strangely, but.

    40% OFF Related Madness Items

    Buy 2 or more to get them at 50% OFF*

    Buy any Newly Mad Release Item above to get an EXTRA 20% OFF* THESE ITEMS

    Makes it sound like you can buy 2 for 50%, and then another "extra 20%" for 70% off total. 

    However fufilling what it looks like it says only gets you 60%.

    As others have stated, it actually is correct mathematically. However, for future reference, Daz had been pretty good about stating discount 1 for this and discount 2 for that, when the discounts add instead of stack. For example, look at many of the flash and blink sales that state, "50% Discount, or 60% with purchase of a new release."

    As a general rule of thumb, if the wording doesn't explicitly state the total discount when the requirement is met, assume the discounts stack like this:

    • (((Price -A%) -B%) -C%) and so on.

    Like you say, it's "a general rule", not a logical mathematical fact. A logical mathematical fact is e.g. 1 + 1 = 2, you can't argue about that or call it a "general rule" as this means there are alternative interpretations.

    @Taoz, I see I wasn't explicit enough… My bad. I was referring only to Daz advertising. I have edited my post to add that clarification.

    As for how to solve an equation, perhaps this article on The Order of Operations will be helpful.

    I know about the order of the operations, but that's just the established (convenient I guess) default way of calculation if no parantheses are set. Basically it just says: 1 + 2 x 3 = 7 by silently setting default parantheses: 1 + (2 x 3). But mathematically (1 + 2) x 3 = 9 is equally correct, and both are used all the time depending on the context.

    Essentially the equation 1 + 2 x 3 is mathematically ambigious and therefore invalid (at least in finite math) without the parantheses, you must set parantheses to make it computable (and the computer does that for you if you don't, using the default order).

    It is not ambiguous, as noted the rukles for standard arithmetic say multi0lication/division are performed befoer addition subtraction, as they are encountered going from left to right. Adding parentheses can be used to override that, but they are not required to define a single correct answer to an equation. It's true that calculator manufacturers have, shamefully, been allowed to produce devices (non-"scientific" calculators) that give wrong answers but that doesn't make them right. You certainly could define a non-standard mathematics in which equations were read from left to right, with no precedence, but that would have to be declaed as such when presenting any equation to be calculated in that way.

    I agree, but my point is just that because something is accepted as a general rule it doesn't necessarily mean that it's the only correct way (or even the best way) of doing it. Since the DAZ math is complex to calculate and is confusing to many it's not a very good way of doing it IMO.

    Post edited by Taoz on
  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,789
    MelanieL said:

    I'm not seeing the extra 20% off Related pro bundles with a new release - it's giving the 50% price (for 2+ qualifying items in the cart) but not that extra 20% - the price for Nix Pro should be $37.79 by my calculations.

    ETA: And adding a second Related pro bundle doesn't make any difference - they both show the 50% off not the extra 20%.

    No news on this? Am I the only person getting this problem?

  • ByrdieByrdie Posts: 1,783

    Shows $42.51 in my cart for Nix and I have two new releases, so no, you aren't the only one. 

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,095
    Taoz said:

    I agree, but my point is just that because something is accepted as a general rule it doesn't necessarily mean that it's the only correct way (or even the best way) of doing it. Since the DAZ math is complex to calculate and is confusing to many it's not a very good way of doing it IMO.

    It's not a general rule any more than 'x' means 'multiply' or that parentheses are a thing or what exponential notation means.

    I'm teaching my children elementary math at the moment, and order of operations is an integral, defined part of our shared math system.

     

  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,789
    Byrdie said:

    Shows $42.51 in my cart for Nix and I have two new releases, so no, you aren't the only one.

    Thanks for checking - well it's been not working for over 5 hours now (maybe since DAZ midnight, I wouldn't know) - I hope someone can give it a kick soon.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,452
    edited March 2019
    MelanieL said:
    Byrdie said:

    Shows $42.51 in my cart for Nix and I have two new releases, so no, you aren't the only one.

    Thanks for checking - well it's been not working for over 5 hours now (maybe since DAZ midnight, I wouldn't know) - I hope someone can give it a kick soon.

    Despite the fact that their web store runs 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and services customers around the world, DAZ persists in the deluded belief that their business runs like an office in Utah and not a retail store.  Most likely no one who could actually do anything about anything even saw your compalint until about an hour or two ago, DAZ time. 

      

    Post edited by Cybersox on
  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,095

    Are you familiar with, say, banks, Cybersox?

     

  • algovincianalgovincian Posts: 2,670

    Only Daz knows what percentage of their sales comes from what time zones. Without this information, I don’t see how one could determine whether or not it’s worthwhile to have 24 hour customer service.

    In any event, adding a second and third shift for 24 hour coverage would surely jack up the prices of content, don’t you think?

    - Greg

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,452
    Oso3D said:

    Are you familiar with, say, banks, Cybersox?

     

    Yep.  And "bankers hours" is no longer a valid comparison since I have 24 hour banking, including check deposit and balance transfers, from my phone, and if there's a problem I can speak to a real person and have it resolved... not to mention that ATMS never close  Likewise I can get food, both from restaurants or the grocery store, delivered to my house within 2 hours, 24 hours a day, and order order clothing or jsut about anything else and have it next day, if not sooner.  I've actually ordered a big-screen TV and had it delivered, by Amazon Now, within an hour and a half. 

    DAZ is still living in the last century by not having a round-the-clock staff to handle problems as they occur, especially since the vast majority of issues are things that can be handled by an IT person via remote.. 

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,355

    I'm still not getting the extra 10% off for owning a key item (Landon 8 Pro)

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  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,789

    Seems like today's a bit of a write-off - maybe I'll check back on my 20% extra off the Pro Bundles in a couple of hours time. If I was 100% certain that I understand the sale rules for them, I could just buy now and ticket later, but maybe I'm misunderstanding it somehow?

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,452
    algovincian said:

    Only Daz knows what percentage of their sales comes from what time zones. Without this information, I don’t see how one could determine whether or not it’s worthwhile to have 24 hour customer service.

    In any event, adding a second and third shift for 24 hour coverage would surely jack up the prices of content, don’t you think?

    - Greg

    Time Zones don't really even factor into it as long as DAZ releases all new product at midnight every single night. I'm in the Central Time Zone and check on the new sales every night.  So do a lot of people.  But I rarely BUY then because the sales are so frequently not working right.  Has there been a single day of March Madness that hasn't had at least one issue?  That alone would go a good ways to covering the cost of covering the late shift, and then there's the reduction of the costs to customer service. 

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,095

    A lot of banks aren't going to be full service at all hours. Opening and closing accounts, and other activities? Call during office hours.

    Same with Amazon, assuming you can even get through to customer service.

    And we get food delivery/grocery delivery, and that's... totally not 24/7, at least not here in the Bay Area.

     

  • MisselthwaiteMisselthwaite Posts: 961

    For comparison: our local bank is 10am to 3pm, internet is spotty and slow, and Amazon takes a week to deliver anything, and anything other than books or movies they tell me they can't ship to me because I'm 'remote.' (I live one hour from a major Amazon depot, and my husband can order and they'll send it to him...).  There is no fast food that will deliver, and the grocery store closes at 7pm, unless they feel it's slow, then they'll just wander off earlier.

    I don't think it's the service hours that are the problem so much as technical glitches that seem to be so consistent they are a feature of the sale.  If the discount seems good enough, you can try to buy, otherwise you can save your shekels and abstain, and only Daz will be the wiser in the end whether the sale was 'good' for them, and some people will be happy with what they got and what they got it for, and others will for years after speak of the great March Psychosis of 2019, when up was down, and less was actually more when you put it in your cart... :-D

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    edited March 2019
    Taoz said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Taoz said:
    L'Adair said:
    Taoz said:
    L'Adair said:
    Luciel said:

    Don't know if it's a bug or just worded strangely, but.

    40% OFF Related Madness Items

    Buy 2 or more to get them at 50% OFF*

    Buy any Newly Mad Release Item above to get an EXTRA 20% OFF* THESE ITEMS

    Makes it sound like you can buy 2 for 50%, and then another "extra 20%" for 70% off total. 

    However fufilling what it looks like it says only gets you 60%.

    As others have stated, it actually is correct mathematically. However, for future reference, Daz had been pretty good about stating discount 1 for this and discount 2 for that, when the discounts add instead of stack. For example, look at many of the flash and blink sales that state, "50% Discount, or 60% with purchase of a new release."

    As a general rule of thumb, if the wording doesn't explicitly state the total discount when the requirement is met, assume the discounts stack like this:

    • (((Price -A%) -B%) -C%) and so on.

    Like you say, it's "a general rule", not a logical mathematical fact. A logical mathematical fact is e.g. 1 + 1 = 2, you can't argue about that or call it a "general rule" as this means there are alternative interpretations.

    @Taoz, I see I wasn't explicit enough… My bad. I was referring only to Daz advertising. I have edited my post to add that clarification.

    As for how to solve an equation, perhaps this article on The Order of Operations will be helpful.

    I know about the order of the operations, but that's just the established (convenient I guess) default way of calculation if no parantheses are set. Basically it just says: 1 + 2 x 3 = 7 by silently setting default parantheses: 1 + (2 x 3). But mathematically (1 + 2) x 3 = 9 is equally correct, and both are used all the time depending on the context.

    Essentially the equation 1 + 2 x 3 is mathematically ambigious and therefore invalid (at least in finite math) without the parantheses, you must set parantheses to make it computable (and the computer does that for you if you don't, using the default order).

    It is not ambiguous, as noted the rukles for standard arithmetic say multi0lication/division are performed befoer addition subtraction, as they are encountered going from left to right. Adding parentheses can be used to override that, but they are not required to define a single correct answer to an equation. It's true that calculator manufacturers have, shamefully, been allowed to produce devices (non-"scientific" calculators) that give wrong answers but that doesn't make them right. You certainly could define a non-standard mathematics in which equations were read from left to right, with no precedence, but that would have to be declaed as such when presenting any equation to be calculated in that way.

    I agree, but my point is just that because something is accepted as a general rule it doesn't necessarily mean that it's the only correct way (or even the best way) of doing it. Since the DAZ math is complex to calculate and is confusing to many it's not a very good way of doing it IMO.

    I feel like I've been misquoted and the resulting conversation has spiraled out of control. Math has specific rules so no matter who is calculating an equation—simple or extremely complex—if they follow the rules, they will all get the same answer. My "general rule of thumb" comment had nothing to do with math. I was referring to the adcopy of Daz sales.

    Language is like a living entity and constantly changing, adapting, evolving. Words mean things, but their meanings are not immutable. And adcopy has to use words. It isn't always easy to write a single sentence that tells your target market exactly what you want them to know.

    Love 'em or hate 'em, all the different sections of these event sales make shopping at Daz something of a game. And to keep it interesting, Daz attempts, (imo)  to write adcopy that doesn't sound the same from one section to another. Kind of hard to do, when the basic rule of March Madness is "40% off for one, 50% off for two or more."

    Regardless, the one thing that is consistent with Daz sales—event, daily, flash or blink—is multiple discounts stack unless explicitly stated otherwise. (That can go either direction: Fast Grab explicitly states the FG discount does not stack with other discounts.) Even the "basic rule of March Madness" I've mentioned above explicitly states the discount is 50% if you have more than one qualified product in the cart.

    Hence my original comment that "As a general rule of thumb, if the wording doesn't explicitly state the total discount when the requirement is met, assume the discounts stack…"

    Post edited by L'Adair on
  • miladyderyni_173d399f47miladyderyni_173d399f47 Posts: 2,590

    Another "10% off/15% with purchase" Gift Card? There was a 10% off GCs yesterday I took advantage of. And didn't we just have a snuggle-theme sale last month? Running out of ideas alread? (Just being facetious--more snuggles is nothing to complain about.)

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    Luciel said:
    Ati said:
    Luciel said:

    Don't know if it's a bug or just worded strangely, but.

    40% OFF Related Madness Items

    Buy 2 or more to get them at 50% OFF*

    Buy any Newly Mad Release Item above to get an EXTRA 20% OFF* THESE ITEMS

    Makes it sound like you can buy 2 for 50%, and then another "extra 20%" for 70% off total. 

    However fufilling what it looks like it says only gets you 60%.

    That's not a bug, that's how percentages work.

    $100 * 0.5 (=50% off)  * 0.8 (=20% off) = $40

    I know that, however how it's worded sounds like (50+20 extra). Not "50% off first and then 20% off afterwards". It's a bit needlessly misleading. 

    I agree. Daz Maths works fine.

    Daz English is confusing.

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,847
    nicstt said:
    Luciel said:
    Ati said:
    Luciel said:

    Don't know if it's a bug or just worded strangely, but.

    40% OFF Related Madness Items

    Buy 2 or more to get them at 50% OFF*

    Buy any Newly Mad Release Item above to get an EXTRA 20% OFF* THESE ITEMS

    Makes it sound like you can buy 2 for 50%, and then another "extra 20%" for 70% off total. 

    However fufilling what it looks like it says only gets you 60%.

    That's not a bug, that's how percentages work.

    $100 * 0.5 (=50% off)  * 0.8 (=20% off) = $40

    I know that, however how it's worded sounds like (50+20 extra). Not "50% off first and then 20% off afterwards". It's a bit needlessly misleading. 

    I agree. Daz Maths works fine.

    Daz English is confusing.

    +1

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    Taoz said:
    L'Adair said:
    Taoz said:
    L'Adair said:
    Luciel said:

    Don't know if it's a bug or just worded strangely, but.

    40% OFF Related Madness Items

    Buy 2 or more to get them at 50% OFF*

    Buy any Newly Mad Release Item above to get an EXTRA 20% OFF* THESE ITEMS

    Makes it sound like you can buy 2 for 50%, and then another "extra 20%" for 70% off total. 

    However fufilling what it looks like it says only gets you 60%.

    As others have stated, it actually is correct mathematically. However, for future reference, Daz had been pretty good about stating discount 1 for this and discount 2 for that, when the discounts add instead of stack. For example, look at many of the flash and blink sales that state, "50% Discount, or 60% with purchase of a new release."

    As a general rule of thumb, if the wording doesn't explicitly state the total discount when the requirement is met, assume the discounts stack like this:

    • (((Price -A%) -B%) -C%) and so on.

    Like you say, it's "a general rule", not a logical mathematical fact. A logical mathematical fact is e.g. 1 + 1 = 2, you can't argue about that or call it a "general rule" as this means there are alternative interpretations.

    @Taoz, I see I wasn't explicit enough… My bad. I was referring only to Daz advertising. I have edited my post to add that clarification.

    As for how to solve an equation, perhaps this article on The Order of Operations will be helpful.

    I know about the order of the operations, but that's just the established (convenient I guess) default way of calculation if no parantheses are set. Basically it just says: 1 + 2 x 3 = 7 by silently setting default parantheses: 1 + (2 x 3). But mathematically (1 + 2) x 3 = 9 is equally correct, and both are used all the time depending on the context.

    Essentially the equation 1 + 2 x 3 is mathematically ambigious and therefore invalid (at least in finite math) without the parantheses, you must set parantheses to make it computable (and the computer does that for you if you don't, using the default order).

     

    It isn't mathematically ambiguous because of order of importance.

    From a language perspective (english for example) one would read it from left to right; again not ambiguous. Reading from left to right, however, is not correct, or only partially so. Left to right when the operators have equal value (such as + and -). Multiply has a greater order than + and -.

  • frankrblowfrankrblow Posts: 2,052
    nicstt said:
    Luciel said:
    Ati said:
    Luciel said:

     

    I agree. Daz Maths works fine.

    Daz English is confusing.

    English? It's not English, it's American.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,452
    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    Another "10% off/15% with purchase" Gift Card? There was a 10% off GCs yesterday I took advantage of.

    The catch is that we're also just about due for another Base Character set to hit and the last couple of those have had a 20% off GC offer attached... and you can't use an existing GC on that if you want to take advantage of the better GC offer.  So, load up now or wait...?    

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    dragonfly_2004 said:
    nicstt said:
    Luciel said:
    Ati said:
    Luciel said:

     

    I agree. Daz Maths works fine.

    Daz English is confusing.

    English? It's not English, it's American.

    Ahh that must be it; what's that saying, "two countries separated by a common language?" smiley

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,014

    The 10% off for having Key item(s) seems to be working now.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,795
    edited March 2019

    I am waiting for more really big discounts. I bought the Faveral's Le Village Bundle even though it's old it still looks good but I was surprised it didn't come with two or three scenes like in the promo art and the discount for it was just the typical 'anytime there's a sale' discount. It does seem like past MM had bigger discounts. I am waiting to see the discounts on the 3DU catalogue (when it's up again - probably not until the 1st catch-up weekend), Skin Builder 8, X-Morphs, and the female version of Pedro Furtado's G8 Smiley Faces.

    Mod edit to remedy the rather unfortunate typo

    Post edited by Chohole on
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,435
    nonesuch00 said:

    I am waiting for more really big discounts. I bought the Faveral's Le Village Bundle even though it's old it still looks good but I was surprised it didn't come with two or three scenes like in the promo art and the discount for it was just the typical 'anytime there's a sale' discount. It does seem like past MM had bigger discounts. I am waiting to see the discounts on the 3DU catalogue (when it's up again - probably not until the 1st catch-up weekend), Skin Builder 8, X-Morphs, and the female version of Pedro Furtado's G8 Smiley Faces.

    Mod edit to remedy the rather unfortunate typo

     

    damn I am curious now what and where thd typo was cheeky

    reread several times cannot deduce

    yes would love a preload for some of those Le Village scenes

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,435

    oh I see it now, was helpfully underlined devil

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