March Madness 2019

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  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    edited March 2019
    Luciel said:

    Don't know if it's a bug or just worded strangely, but.

    40% OFF Related Madness Items

    Buy 2 or more to get them at 50% OFF*

    Buy any Newly Mad Release Item above to get an EXTRA 20% OFF* THESE ITEMS

    Makes it sound like you can buy 2 for 50%, and then another "extra 20%" for 70% off total. 

    However fufilling what it looks like it says only gets you 60%.

    As others have stated, it actually is correct mathematically. However, for future reference, Daz had been pretty good about stating discount 1 for this and discount 2 for that, when the discounts add instead of stack. For example, look at many of the flash and blink sales that state, "50% Discount, or 60% with purchase of a new release."

    As a general rule of thumb when reading Daz promos, if the wording doesn't explicitly state the total discount when the requirement is met, assume the discounts stack like this:

    • (((Price -A%) -B%) -C%) and so on.

    I hope this helps. (A little bit, anyway.) 

    marble said:
    Luciel said:

    I know that, however how it's worded sounds like (50+20 extra). Not "50% off first and then 20% off afterwards". It's a bit needlessly misleading. 

    Just know for future reference, when you are at DAZ that is how it works, no matter the wording, LOL. I was getting some kitchenware the other day that was on sale at 30% off and there was a sign that said extra 20% certain items. Now since I am used to shopping at DAZ and this issue has been addressed millions of times I would be getting one discount. Color me surprised when I checked out and actually got 50% off the items. surprise

    Fortunately for you the people setting up the sale didn't know, or chose to ignore, basic maths. Still, I doubt any customers will sue them for false advertising in the circumstances.

    Nevertheless, and mathematical fidelity aside, most people would assume the simple arithmetic version of 50% + 20% means 70% rather than expecting the store to require you to carry a calculator to figure out the actual saving. I'm having a smile imagining the maths teacher standing at the checkout explaining it all to confused customers.

    What a fun visualization. laugh

    ETA: Added claification about "the general rule of thumb" to indicate I was talking about understanding Daz advertising copy.

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  • Fae3DFae3D Posts: 2,878

    I'm not sure if this is wrong or not.  I just bought dForce Jasper Black for Genesis 8 Male(s) and Cave, thought together they'd be $10 and change, but I wasn't paying attention as I bought.  Ended up being $13.86, didn't notice until the deal was done.  Should they have made each other %50, or not?  I'm afraid I don't have a cart SS. 

    (I know it doesn't sound like much, but we're living on disability, and I could have bought a PC item with that almost $4)

    Edit: I just tried putting them back in the cart for a SS, and it worked.

    yes

    Thumbs up meaning the cart is right?  They shouldn't be %50?

    What percentage were they? If they're new mad or still mad and have two, they should be 50%.

    I figured it out, the outfit isn't on the still mad anymore.  I figured it would stay there for the weekend, I was apparently wrong.  Oh well.

  • frankrblowfrankrblow Posts: 2,052
    muller252 said:

    Is it me, or was march madness more value for money in the past?

    It's not you. Until last year (2018) March Madness generally offered much better bargains from day one. Last year the good bargains did not appear until about half way through the sale period.

    [A couple of us started calling it March-Mehness at that time (I was not the first, more like second or third to use the term)]

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,286
    Luciel said:

    I know that, however how it's worded sounds like (50+20 extra). Not "50% off first and then 20% off afterwards". It's a bit needlessly misleading. 

    Just know for future reference, when you are at DAZ that is how it works, no matter the wording, LOL. I was getting some kitchenware the other day that was on sale at 30% off and there was a sign that said extra 20% certain items. Now since I am used to shopping at DAZ and this issue has been addressed millions of times I would be getting one discount. Color me surprised when I checked out and actually got 50% off the items. surprise

    Fortunately for you the people setting up the sale didn't know, or chose to ignore, basic maths. Still, I doubt any customers will sue them for false advertising in the circumstances.

    I fail to see why the DAZ method is more correct than the other one. It looks more to me like there are two ways of interpreting it and then you can choose which one you want to use. It can't really be "basic math" IMO as long as it can be interpreted in more than one way, contrary to 1 + 1 = 2 or 4 x 6 = 24.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,286
    edited March 2019
    L'Adair said:
    Luciel said:

    Don't know if it's a bug or just worded strangely, but.

    40% OFF Related Madness Items

    Buy 2 or more to get them at 50% OFF*

    Buy any Newly Mad Release Item above to get an EXTRA 20% OFF* THESE ITEMS

    Makes it sound like you can buy 2 for 50%, and then another "extra 20%" for 70% off total. 

    However fufilling what it looks like it says only gets you 60%.

    As others have stated, it actually is correct mathematically. However, for future reference, Daz had been pretty good about stating discount 1 for this and discount 2 for that, when the discounts add instead of stack. For example, look at many of the flash and blink sales that state, "50% Discount, or 60% with purchase of a new release."

    As a general rule of thumb, if the wording doesn't explicitly state the total discount when the requirement is met, assume the discounts stack like this:

    • (((Price -A%) -B%) -C%) and so on.

    Like you say, it's "a general rule", not a logical mathematical fact. A logical mathematical fact is e.g. 1 + 1 = 2, you can't argue about that or call it a "general rule" as this means there are alternative interpretations.

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  • AtiAti Posts: 9,188
    Taoz said:
    Luciel said:

    I know that, however how it's worded sounds like (50+20 extra). Not "50% off first and then 20% off afterwards". It's a bit needlessly misleading. 

    Just know for future reference, when you are at DAZ that is how it works, no matter the wording, LOL. I was getting some kitchenware the other day that was on sale at 30% off and there was a sign that said extra 20% certain items. Now since I am used to shopping at DAZ and this issue has been addressed millions of times I would be getting one discount. Color me surprised when I checked out and actually got 50% off the items. surprise

    Fortunately for you the people setting up the sale didn't know, or chose to ignore, basic maths. Still, I doubt any customers will sue them for false advertising in the circumstances.

    I fail to see why the DAZ method is more correct than the other one. It looks more to me like there are two ways of interpreting it and then you can choose which one you want to use. It can't really be "basic math" IMO as long as it can be interpreted in more than one way, contrary to 1 + 1 = 2 or 4 x 6 = 24.

    1 + 2 x 3 = ?

    This can be interpreted in two ways, yet only one is correct.

    Some will say it's 9, others will say it's 7. Both will say their version is correct and they will be able to explain why.

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,457
    L'Adair said:
    Luciel said:

    Don't know if it's a bug or just worded strangely, but.

    40% OFF Related Madness Items

    Buy 2 or more to get them at 50% OFF*

    Buy any Newly Mad Release Item above to get an EXTRA 20% OFF* THESE ITEMS

    Makes it sound like you can buy 2 for 50%, and then another "extra 20%" for 70% off total. 

    However fufilling what it looks like it says only gets you 60%.

    As others have stated, it actually is correct mathematically. However, for future reference, Daz had been pretty good about stating discount 1 for this and discount 2 for that, when the discounts add instead of stack. For example, look at many of the flash and blink sales that state, "50% Discount, or 60% with purchase of a new release."

    As a general rule of thumb, if the wording doesn't explicitly state the total discount when the requirement is met, assume the discounts stack like this:

    • (((Price -A%) -B%) -C%) and so on.

    I hope this helps. (A little bit, anyway.) 

    marble said:
    Luciel said:

    I know that, however how it's worded sounds like (50+20 extra). Not "50% off first and then 20% off afterwards". It's a bit needlessly misleading. 

    Just know for future reference, when you are at DAZ that is how it works, no matter the wording, LOL. I was getting some kitchenware the other day that was on sale at 30% off and there was a sign that said extra 20% certain items. Now since I am used to shopping at DAZ and this issue has been addressed millions of times I would be getting one discount. Color me surprised when I checked out and actually got 50% off the items. surprise

    Fortunately for you the people setting up the sale didn't know, or chose to ignore, basic maths. Still, I doubt any customers will sue them for false advertising in the circumstances.

    Nevertheless, and mathematical fidelity aside, most people would assume the simple arithmetic version of 50% + 20% means 70% rather than expecting the store to require you to carry a calculator to figure out the actual saving. I'm having a smile imagining the maths teacher standing at the checkout explaining it all to confused customers.

    What a fun visualization. laugh

    Years ago I purchased some white goods from a local department store around Christmas time. They were doing a store-wide 30-40-50% off depending on original dollar amount; I qualified for the 50%. In addition, everything in the department was 30% off. And they offered 25% off if you opened an account. The first two times the cashiers did the 50+30+25 and one said "This isn't right; he gets $150 of merchandise and we owe him money?" The supervisor set them right - 50% of original price, then 30% off the result, and then 25% off that result. I still made out like a bandit.

    Yes, confusion abounds, and to this day I wonder how much money that department lost during the sale. I ended up paying just under $40; the original calculations showed the store owing me about $7.50 (number fudged a bit, going from memory, but roughly correct)

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,452
    muller252 said:

    Is it me, or was march madness more value for money in the past?

    It's not you.  We had one (1) day where there were some decent blink sales and other than that... the bonus offers have primarily been the same old stuff, the new bonus key items have been unspectacular and the actual sale itself has been plagued by at least one major logistical failure every day.  Fortunately, the OTHER store has been running a real March Madness with one vendor at 70% off every day and I suspect they'll end up getting most of my money this month unless DAZ's marketing people get their act together. 

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,446
    muller252 said:

    Is it me, or was march madness more value for money in the past?

    i remember my 1st MM as i started with DS, maybe 2013/14, where i bought for an amount that was a fortune for me then like 100$, and got a ton of items all around 2$... *sigh*
    how naive to think this would last forever every march XDDD

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,355
    Ati said:
    Taoz said:
    Luciel said:

    I know that, however how it's worded sounds like (50+20 extra). Not "50% off first and then 20% off afterwards". It's a bit needlessly misleading. 

    Just know for future reference, when you are at DAZ that is how it works, no matter the wording, LOL. I was getting some kitchenware the other day that was on sale at 30% off and there was a sign that said extra 20% certain items. Now since I am used to shopping at DAZ and this issue has been addressed millions of times I would be getting one discount. Color me surprised when I checked out and actually got 50% off the items. surprise

    Fortunately for you the people setting up the sale didn't know, or chose to ignore, basic maths. Still, I doubt any customers will sue them for false advertising in the circumstances.

    I fail to see why the DAZ method is more correct than the other one. It looks more to me like there are two ways of interpreting it and then you can choose which one you want to use. It can't really be "basic math" IMO as long as it can be interpreted in more than one way, contrary to 1 + 1 = 2 or 4 x 6 = 24.

    1 + 2 x 3 = ?

    This can be interpreted in two ways, yet only one is correct.

    Some will say it's 9, others will say it's 7. Both will say their version is correct and they will be able to explain why.

    The correct answer is 7. When not difined by brackets division and multiplication are done before addition and subtraction.

    BODMAS : Brackets, Orders, Division,Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction.

    Division and Multiplication have the same degree of priority and they are associative on the left.

    The same case for Addition and Substraction.

    so 1+2*3

    = 1+6 ( multiplication comes first 2*3=6)

    =7 (some up now)

     

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,286
    Ati said:
    Taoz said:
    Luciel said:

    I know that, however how it's worded sounds like (50+20 extra). Not "50% off first and then 20% off afterwards". It's a bit needlessly misleading. 

    Just know for future reference, when you are at DAZ that is how it works, no matter the wording, LOL. I was getting some kitchenware the other day that was on sale at 30% off and there was a sign that said extra 20% certain items. Now since I am used to shopping at DAZ and this issue has been addressed millions of times I would be getting one discount. Color me surprised when I checked out and actually got 50% off the items. surprise

    Fortunately for you the people setting up the sale didn't know, or chose to ignore, basic maths. Still, I doubt any customers will sue them for false advertising in the circumstances.

    I fail to see why the DAZ method is more correct than the other one. It looks more to me like there are two ways of interpreting it and then you can choose which one you want to use. It can't really be "basic math" IMO as long as it can be interpreted in more than one way, contrary to 1 + 1 = 2 or 4 x 6 = 24.

    1 + 2 x 3 = ?

    This can be interpreted in two ways, yet only one is correct.

    Some will say it's 9, others will say it's 7. Both will say their version is correct and they will be able to explain why.

    Both are equally correct depending on where you set the parantheses, which again depends on the context.

     

     

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    Taoz said:
    L'Adair said:
    Luciel said:

    Don't know if it's a bug or just worded strangely, but.

    40% OFF Related Madness Items

    Buy 2 or more to get them at 50% OFF*

    Buy any Newly Mad Release Item above to get an EXTRA 20% OFF* THESE ITEMS

    Makes it sound like you can buy 2 for 50%, and then another "extra 20%" for 70% off total. 

    However fufilling what it looks like it says only gets you 60%.

    As others have stated, it actually is correct mathematically. However, for future reference, Daz had been pretty good about stating discount 1 for this and discount 2 for that, when the discounts add instead of stack. For example, look at many of the flash and blink sales that state, "50% Discount, or 60% with purchase of a new release."

    As a general rule of thumb, if the wording doesn't explicitly state the total discount when the requirement is met, assume the discounts stack like this:

    • (((Price -A%) -B%) -C%) and so on.

    Like you say, it's "a general rule", not a logical mathematical fact. A logical mathematical fact is e.g. 1 + 1 = 2, you can't argue about that or call it a "general rule" as this means there are alternative interpretations.

    @Taoz, I see I wasn't explicit enough… My bad. I was referring only to Daz advertising. I have edited my post to add that clarification.

    As for how to solve an equation, perhaps this article on The Order of Operations will be helpful.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,286
    edited March 2019
    L'Adair said:
    Taoz said:
    L'Adair said:
    Luciel said:

    Don't know if it's a bug or just worded strangely, but.

    40% OFF Related Madness Items

    Buy 2 or more to get them at 50% OFF*

    Buy any Newly Mad Release Item above to get an EXTRA 20% OFF* THESE ITEMS

    Makes it sound like you can buy 2 for 50%, and then another "extra 20%" for 70% off total. 

    However fufilling what it looks like it says only gets you 60%.

    As others have stated, it actually is correct mathematically. However, for future reference, Daz had been pretty good about stating discount 1 for this and discount 2 for that, when the discounts add instead of stack. For example, look at many of the flash and blink sales that state, "50% Discount, or 60% with purchase of a new release."

    As a general rule of thumb, if the wording doesn't explicitly state the total discount when the requirement is met, assume the discounts stack like this:

    • (((Price -A%) -B%) -C%) and so on.

    Like you say, it's "a general rule", not a logical mathematical fact. A logical mathematical fact is e.g. 1 + 1 = 2, you can't argue about that or call it a "general rule" as this means there are alternative interpretations.

    @Taoz, I see I wasn't explicit enough… My bad. I was referring only to Daz advertising. I have edited my post to add that clarification.

    As for how to solve an equation, perhaps this article on The Order of Operations will be helpful.

    I know about the order of the operations, but that's just the established (convenient I guess) default way of calculation if no parantheses are set. Basically it just says: 1 + 2 x 3 = 7 by silently setting default parantheses: 1 + (2 x 3). But mathematically (1 + 2) x 3 = 9 is equally correct, and both are used all the time depending on the context.

    Essentially the equation 1 + 2 x 3 is mathematically ambigious and therefore invalid (at least in finite math) without the parantheses, you must set parantheses to make it computable (and the computer does that for you if you don't, using the default order).

     

    Post edited by Taoz on
  • P A Y A T   PP A Y A T P Posts: 1,182

    There is nothing exciting at Daz this weekend. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,048
    edited March 2019
    muller252 said:

    Is it me, or was march madness more value for money in the past?

    i remember my 1st MM as i started with DS, maybe 2013/14, where i bought for an amount that was a fortune for me then like 100$, and got a ton of items all around 2$... *sigh*
    how naive to think this would last forever every march XDDD

    ...started back in 2007/2008, back then Daz also offered vouchers for the PC, awards for challenges, and/or having a work posted in the gallery. These were cumulative with any special discount coupons, which in turn could be used on all discounted content.  Got some items back then for ridiculous savings.  The base MM discount was 50% and there were no gimmicks, like "trigger"items, BOGOs, or "progresive" discounts.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • butterflyfishbutterflyfish Posts: 1,497

    Checking out the Flash sale. Are there really only expressions for Genesis 8 female (i.e. not G8 male), and Genesis 3 male (i.e. not G3 female)?

  • AlmightyQUESTAlmightyQUEST Posts: 2,006

    Are you sure you don't just own all the male expressions? Warrior, Strong Man, Loveable or Grumpy just scrolling a little down the page.

  • butterflyfishbutterflyfish Posts: 1,497

    Pretty sure. I mean the ones like these: https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-3-male-expressions that add dials. Is there no corresponding female version?

  • Pretty sure. I mean the ones like these: https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-3-male-expressions that add dials. Is there no corresponding female version?

    Right here: https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-3-female-expressions

  • AlmightyQUESTAlmightyQUEST Posts: 2,006

    Ah, no I'm not seeing that specific product (or the G8M version of that product) either.

  • DripDrip Posts: 1,249

    Looks like Related Madness Items haven't been added yet today. I figure they can't find enough payamas, or can't pick a selection out of several thousand bedrooms?

  • butterflyfishbutterflyfish Posts: 1,497

    Pretty sure. I mean the ones like these: https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-3-male-expressions that add dials. Is there no corresponding female version?

    Right here: https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-3-female-expressions

    Ah, OK. So it's not on sale for some reason. Thanks! 

  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 12,638

    Inquiring about the related mad.

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    edited March 2019

    I opened the sales page in a private window, to see if I already owned all the Related Mad items. Not only did I see there are none listed, which I see has been reported, but the "Your Key Unlocks Savings" is listing the Landon 8 Pro Bundle, in spite of the fact the text states "2 featured". (And I didn't get the extra discount, as Landon is the only shown Item I own/want.)

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  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 12,638

    Refresh, should be there now.

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    edited March 2019

    Refresh, should be there now.

    I see a scrolling banner now. Thanks, Cris.

    Did you notice my previous post? Landon 8 Pro Bundle is shown as a "Key" item to unlock an extra 10%, but I don't think it's supposed to be there. I have Landon, but not the other two, and I didn't get the extra discount, plus the adcopy references only 2 featured items.

    Post edited by L'Adair on
  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 12,638

    Landon, Tasha, and Snuggle Up Bundle are the key items.

  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 12,638

    Just made my cart and I'm not getting the extra 10%. I'm going to put in a ticket, but will email Daz.

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,355

    Just made my cart and I'm not getting the extra 10%. I'm going to put in a ticket, but will email Daz.

    I own Landon 8 Pro and I'm not getting the extra 10% either

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  • MelanieLMelanieL Posts: 7,789
    edited March 2019

    I'm not seeing the extra 20% off Related pro bundles with a new release - it's giving the 50% price (for 2+ qualifying items in the cart) but not that extra 20% - the price for Nix Pro should be $37.79 by my calculations.

    ETA: And adding a second Related pro bundle doesn't make any difference - they both show the 50% off not the extra 20%.

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