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I recently got Poser 2012 on sale to learn it, and when I went to their content site and saw their models, it brought an old joke to mind, "The man saw his horse was depressed so he asked it, 'why the long face?'" Admittedly Dawn isn't as bad as those models, so I can see where people that want a more modern figure native to Poser may get excited about her, but really she's no V4.
The character morphs I saw looked like someone played with silly putty. Her original face has a flatness in the nose bridge that's odd, and her nasal septum looks cut. The morphs I saw exaggerated these problems. When I look at V6 and Gia now, I have a whole new appreciation for the artistry at Daz. If I'm looking for a Native figure for Poser, V4 beats her visually hands down, both in her native state and the quality of the morphs I see.
And that's what I saw before I even noticed the lack of support for Studio in what was being offered on 3rd party sites. Which doesn't surprise me since some vendors are mostly Poser-centric and don't use Studio. Not that I fault them, I just won't buy products that don't support what I need. It seems to me that the claim that she's native to both is little more than marketing hype.
She doesn't have more clothing options than G2F despite some complaints I've seen. (not to mention the vast amount of V4 clothing) And i can autofit really well from Gen 1 and V4 to G2F.
She doesn't have a male figure (using a male morph isn't a solution) and if the do make a male counterpart, it still won't be the same as Genesis1. Honestly the lack of an interchangeable male figure for G2F doesn't bother me, since I would rather the figure do what it does best. I can only hope that when they introduce M6 the clothes autofit over to it for certain items.
Dawn doesn't bring anything new or unique to the table, that I can't already get with V4 Gen1 and G2F, and in many cases is a step down, so why would I wan't to invest in her?
...give her time.
At this state, (using In the field of aeronautic engineering as a basis), she is the Boeing 367-80, not the luxurious 707 "Stratojet" that came from that project later.. The "Dash 80 however was built to high quality specs that were followed in development of her commercial cousin which changed the face of air travel forever and became a public icon in its day. At the time the British were on top of the aeronautical design world with their Comet jetliner (which required a great deal of "re-inventing" after the first series of Comets had a tendency to explode in mid air due to initial design flaws). The 367-80 and it's follow on, the 707, eventually eclipsed the British built jetliner, even though the Comet took to the skies four years prior, due to a more sound base design and effectively "usurped" the lead (and never giving it up).
This is how I see Dawn.
She may appear "clumsier" looking to some than her Genesis counterparts (just like the 367-80 did compared to the much "sleeker" Comet) but with the right development in the end I can see her as becoming a standard that new character meshes will be compared to.
My two Zloty's worth.
Downloaded her.
Another figure in the figure bin.
Still going to use Genesis as my main figure since it is the most versatile figure but what the hell, she's free and it never hurts to have another figure kicking around.
Something about her base hair and makeup option gives me a Gwen Stefani vibe.
I'm pro-Dawn, but I have to admit, I've been torn between tossing in more cash to rebuild stuff for another figure, or just getting the Perfect V4 set, which is on sale for just about the same price as Dawn's starter bundle (after the $15 discount if you have 1500 points to throw in @ Hivewire3D). >.< V4/M4 and Genesis are still my primary figures.
Have you reported your issues? The DSON Importer seemed to be working in 2014 for me.
Have you gone to the properties tab of the clothing and ticked the include morphs when conforming, include scales when conforming, match end points when conforming boxes and so on?
This will or should scale the clothing to fit the smaller character..
The boxes are already ticked by default in Dawn's clothing. They aren't scaling down for some reason. Works well enough on V4.2 so I don't understand what the problem is.
The boxes are already ticked by default in Dawn's clothing. They aren't scaling down for some reason. Works well enough on V4.2 so I don't understand what the problem is.
That is weird it does that it should scale to fit the figure not sure why it doesn't unfortunately can't help there as have not gotten the figure yet.. The only other suggestion is to see if Poser will tell you the scale of the figure as a whole and try going in that direction if that don't work then dunno what to suggest..
Eh... WHAT? I always have problems with clothing V4, especially with some small breast characters - no matter how try i fit, bikini or blouse or else doesn't sit.
And as opposite, with Genesis clothes wonderfully lay down. So i transfer most v4 chars with GenX to genesis
The boxes are already ticked by default in Dawn's clothing. They aren't scaling down for some reason. Works well enough on V4.2 so I don't understand what the problem is.
You need to add the Alexis morphs to the stock Dawn clothing. To do this:
- Make sure that you have conformed the Dawn clothing to Alexis, and that the 'Include morphs...' and 'Include scales...' check boxes are checked.
- Make sure that the piece of Dawn clothing is selected.
- Select 'Figure -> Copy morphs from...' from the Poser main menu.
- Select Dawn as the figure to copy from in the 'Copy Morphs' form that is displayed, and then click the OK button.
- Uncheck all of the morphs in the 'Select objects' form, then check the Alexis (JCM) and Alexis body morphs, and then click the OK button.
The Alexis morphs will be copied to the Dawn clothing, that should now conform properly.
I use this feature all the time to make clothing fit on characters that have custom morphs, or with clothing that does not include the morphs I want to use.
The boxes are already ticked by default in Dawn's clothing. They aren't scaling down for some reason. Works well enough on V4.2 so I don't understand what the problem is.
You need to add the Alexis morphs to the stock Dawn clothing. To do this:
- Make sure that you have conformed the Dawn clothing to Alexis, and that the 'Include morphs...' and 'Include scales...' check boxes are checked.
- Make sure that the piece of Dawn clothing is selected.
- Select 'Figure -> Copy morphs from...' from the Poser main menu.
- Select Dawn as the figure to copy from in the 'Copy Morphs' form that is displayed, and then click the OK button.
- Uncheck all of the morphs in the 'Select objects' form, then check the Alexis (JCM) and Alexis body morphs, and then click the OK button.
The Alexis morphs will be copied to the Dawn clothing, that should now conform properly.
I use this feature all the time to make clothing fit on characters that have custom morphs, or with clothing that does not include the morphs I want to use.
lol Even I completely forgot about that option in Poser and I use Poser all the time. That's what I call a Homer Simpson moment on my part..
I suspect Kyoto Kid is referring to the unnatural way that clothing will cling to the body of Gensis boobage in particular. All clothing does not in reality cling to boobs like that, unless you are wearing spandex/lycra and even then you're hard pressed to get it to cling to individual boobies like Genesis clothing is fond of doing.
How do people get by without the Perfect V4 set? ;D
Seriously, I just love Xameva / meipe ^^ I'm training my brain every day, so that one day I can mind control them into working on Perfect Genesis 2 Female :P
Poser users as I have been waiting on a new character as Dawn. After 2 years, no more times just only the hype about "Genesis and DAZ users", but finally a new character who is fully committed to use in Poser without going before finally diversions via the DAZ Studio!
I like this new character as well as the commitment of some developers and manufacturers to go their own way and to think of Poser users. DAZ would better not forget that most Poser users have spent many years far too much money at DAZ, then freezing must be excluded from today to tomorrow! This was and is one of the main reasons why I do not buy anything more at DAZ. Anyway, it's all just for DAZ Studio or with great difficulty for Poser users. As long as DAZ operates this policy, DAZ will earn any money from me.
After giving it a few days and looking at a lot of renders, as she currently stands, she's not my cup of tea. From the base shape and textures, I get a Gen 3-ish feel, like a more technically advanced combo of V3 and S3, which is fine I guess, but what gets me, is that there is something definitely wrong with the way facial expressions appear, her smile is messed up, the rest of her face doesn't seem to react correctly, like she had botox injections. Maybe all that will be fixed with morphs, etc., but I prefer the Daz Generation 4 and Genesis 1 & 2 figures.
How do people get by without the Perfect V4 set? ;D
Seriously, I just love Xameva / meipe ^^ I'm training my brain every day, so that one day I can mind control them into working on Perfect Genesis 2 Female :P
The way we did for all the years it wasn't out. I find it interesting that most of these "overhauls" and "perfect" morphs came about AFTER Genesis came out. Before, there were little correction morphs, or dedicated shapes like GND, not the kind of stuff you see now. So, for Poser users/V4 loyalists, a lot of the things that improved V4 come indirectly from Genesis.
One thing I would say about Dawn is that I don't think the base shape is supposed to be how a female looks naked, but perhaps how the body is more likely to look with the constrainsts and support of clothing e.g. flat bottom and fake boobs could just as easily be a tight skirt and underwired bra.
Flashing the flesh is when custom morphs can deliver a more 'natural' look.
I don't like Dawn's starting shape because it isn't feminine in the classic artists definition of feminine, of course neither where V1, V2, V3, V4, or V5. On the other hand Genesis's Basic Female morph was too curvy and soft. Genesis 2 Female is the first figure IMO to have the perfect starting shape and even V6 and Gia don't radically deviate from that classic feminine shape. As for Dawn's face it, like Victoria 5, has to much character to begin with (I think she looks a little like Katey Sagal). Now for the really radical part of my post, HiveWire should drop the Studio version of Dawn. That is right I think they should embrace the Studio / Poser split and concentrate on making Dawn (and her eventual male counterpart) in to the best Poser native weightmapped figure available. After all she doesn't bring anything new to Studio users and except for the 'got to collect them all' deep pocket DAZ customers probably won't sell enough support products to justify the extra work to make Studio and Poser versions.
I think you will find that will probably become true in that I think the Poser community are wanting a new figure to take Vicky 4's place and will embrace Dawn and do content for her I know for me it is easier to make content in Poser than Studio.. And Studio users will have Genesis..
"Here’s a quick render in Luxus.
Aiko 5, Dawn and Victoria 6 are having a great time together raspberry"
Aw. It's nice to see they've made up after their fracas at the beach. I use both DAZ & Poser about equally and Dawn, so far, seems like an improvement to me on the Poser side of things, though I haven't played with her much yet. I do hope that there will be support for her here at DAZ, though I realize that may not be entirely in DAZ's hands.
As a DAZ Studio user, I too feel Dawn is a Poser figure for the folk that won't or can't import G2F via DSON Importer. I'm trying my best to give her a fair crack of the whip, but V6 appeals to me more on every level when i try to compare them.
Dawn might be my back-up plan, but that wouldn't stop me from chatting her up at the office party :lol: :lol: :lol:
Here's Dawn wearing a DS dynamic dress for V4 and hair for G2F - scrubs up quite well for somebody that's being called a fugly munter :P
Nice, Jabba. I understand some of the comments regarding her not being "feminine" enough in the model-pretty Americanized sense of the word, but then really, most people don't do renderings with the plain figure with no morphs or skins. There are already some nice ones coming out for Dawn so she's at least worth keeping an eye on.
How did you feel about the facial morphs and expressions? That's the thing that got me. I could see using her for a lot of things, but expressive emotions wouldn't be one of them. I'm sure someone will make morphs that address that, if they haven't already.
How do people get by without the Perfect V4 set? ;D
Seriously, I just love Xameva / meipe ^^ I'm training my brain every day, so that one day I can mind control them into working on Perfect Genesis 2 Female :P
I started with DS/Genesis, but have been finding more of a love lately for Poser and the wider range of support for V4. I bought into V4 and M4 the same time I bought into Genesis, so I'm not starting with the ground up for them, either. I still haven't bought into G2F, though.
I enjoy using Gen/V5/V6/Gia/G2... in DS. DSON is cumbersome and buggy. And, at least in my experience, DS renders slowly, so there are times I just want to use Poser. I, for one, do not think Dawn is mannish or ugly. I spent 15 minutes in photoshop tweaking the texture, dialed her purchased base morph pack a little, and came up with this. She bends beautifully and I had no issue fitting V4 stuff to her in Poser. I'll be working with her in DS shortly.
But we shouldn't want another option?
I wish Dawn well, but I find myself agreeing with jestmart above: I think if Dawn succeeds, she will most likely succeed for Poser users. Content efforts will likely drift, and look already to be drifting in that direction anyway.
I understand for some DS users, Dawn may have utility as an additional option, so it's good that there is some support. I think that's going to be a pretty small niche in the end, but of course time will tell.
From my own purely personal perspective, I don't see her offering the level of quality I've come to expect from DAZ's recent characters, which is not to say Dawn isn't good, or won't be improved. I think Zev0's comparison (even ignoring Gia and V6, just looking at G2F and Dawn) shows that for my purposes in DS, Dawn is not relevant to me at this point. If I need a realistic, white (though hopefully that will expand soon) female, I'm going with one of the G2F characters, because they have raised the bar, incrementally but significantly. If I need anybody else, man, monster, toon, other ethnicities of either gender, etc., I'm going with original Genesis. Not to even mention that with updates and installation via DIM, I'm quite happy with a level of speed and ease that just puts even more external hurdles in front of Dawn for me ever wanting to use her, as a non-Poser user.
All that said, again, I'm thrilled for the Poser users and anybody who is excited to have her. I think Dawn has a not-insiginficant fight ahead of her against V4, a fight where she could potentially gain a lot of ground, but if she aims to compete against the two Genesis generations as well... I just don't see it.
Has anyone gotten autofit to work in DS or am I just missing something? Do I have to forego autofit and just use the old position/scale/parent method?
I've tried both Genesis and V4 clothing and it's all a bit off. Same with hair and I'm afraid to even attempt shoes since that's bad enough with supported figures.
For the fitting, did you use the fitting room in 2014?
Since Dawn isn't a Daz figure, there is no autofit support. You have to create clones yourself, but there is a tutorial on their forums.
Here's a link to a guide of how to fit V4 clothing
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/27062/
It might work with genesis and G2F, but I keep having issues with some areas leaving gaps.
I don't see that happening. Some of the people behind Dawn actually used to work at Daz, and may still use DS.