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There's a DS version for Nikki is still on the works.
It better be :) I liked this character by some reason but "poser only" gave me a pause.
There is one thing that Dawn does bring up. If Hivewire3D can create a figure that has both a DS and Poser version, why didn't DAZ?
Dawn was created in DS and ported over to Poser. DAZ could have done the same instead of wasting time and money on the DSON.
I don't know about all Poser users but I would have been more than willing to pay for a Poser version of Genesis.
One thing to keep in mind, if DAZ would do a native Poser version of Genesis, you'll immediately get products that are for Genesis in Poser only on the market and are unusable in DS - pretty much the status you got now with Dawn and that won't change. With the DSON importer this gets pretty much avoided, as you cover DS and Poser via the same files as base.
Dawn is just a regular figure like Victoria 1 to 4, so it's just a matter of doing 2 riggings (or even one single non-weight mapped rigging). Genesis is more complex than the rigging issue.
One thing to keep in mind, if DAZ would do a native Poser version of Genesis, you'll immediately get products that are for Genesis in Poser only on the market and are unusable in DS - pretty much the status you got now with Dawn and that won't change. With the DSON importer this gets pretty much avoided, as you cover DS and Poser via the same files as base.
Several of the vendors I beta tested for are not familiar with DS and that is why they created items for Dawn that work in Poser. All of them would have liked to create DS versions but they do not have the time and most have not found someone who will handle the DS versions.
Be it as it may, that is one point why I don't appreciate the Dawn concept at the moment, I don't want to wade through product descriptions to see whether something works in DS or not (or the other way round for Poser users I suppose). Don't get me wrong, I think it is pretty much impossible to get every vendor aligned in this area as the expertise is missing (again in both directions) and that expertise cannot be build up quickly, even if one is willing to do that.
When I read the pre-release Dawn threads I already saw the split happening. A lot of the Poser content creators were asking for help or assistance certainly, but in the end I think the character(s) will remain split as for support. As a person buying and using a character plus all the goodies that come with it, I just don't want to do the filtering so I just leave it be completely. Not the only reason for me, but it is one.
I've seen Poser only, DS/Poser and even one DS only product for Dawn. I'm still wondering if there's been any official word from DAZ as to whether or not they are actively supporting the model in any way, or are prepared to sell Dawn products through their site if vendors supply them. Does anyone know if there has been any official pronouncement on this one way or the other?
Someday the world is going to collectively grow the hell up and people will no longer have this ridiculous fear and loathing of the human body. Sadly my continent will be the last hold out for the prudes. If only the Mayflower had sunk en route.
I just picture Helen Lovejoy participating in every production meeting involving the planing stages for every new model being designed by everyone not part of the MakeHuman project.
Won't somebody think of the children?!
I don't believe they are. When Hivewire 3D listed the companies on board, Daz was not part of said list.
Also, read the back of H3D's shirt: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1147006_159669610891053_1296949012_o.jpg
(Note, I am not that guy, I'm not even a guy- that picture is from H3D's facebook page)
DAZ only supports their own figure base because that's the only one they can effect change to if needed
Pretty sure the guy is Clint from Yur Digital.
Pretty sure the guy is Clint from Yur Digital.
It is. I didn't see it in the comments initially.
"I don’t believe they are. When Hivewire 3D listed the companies on board, Daz was not part of said list."
Yeah, I knew they were conspicuous by their absence on the initial roll-out announcement for Dawn. I just didn't know if there was some official pronouncement from DAZ themselves. From what I can tell, the answer is "no."
"DAZ only supports their own figure base because that’s the only one they can effect change to if needed"
Mostly true. Obviously they've mostly embraced the Genesis/Genesis 2 models, and why not? They are innovative figures and it's worth having mostly proprietary models both for technical and marketing reasons (and one can't deny their popularity). DAZ does, however, continue support for V4/M4 so it's not like they just support Genesis, even now. I'm just trying to get the lay of the land.
If you are interested, one of the CVs did this
A History of DAZ Human Figures
Now, that's a new one, I hit quote and instead of getting an edit page, the quote was posted as a response. Very odd.
ANYWAY! What I was going to say before the forums so rudely cut me off, Dawn isn't a single non-weight mapped rigging. She is rigged in DS with DS weight mapping. And, she is ported out from DS to Poser and rigged as a Poser weight mapped figure.
I was surprised that once the modeling is done, the bulk of the work is apparently done in DS. But ... the Hivewire guys are DS guys.
Dawn is just a regular figure like Victoria 1 to 4, so it's just a matter of doing 2 riggings (or even one single non-weight mapped rigging). Genesis is more complex than the rigging issue.
"If you are interested, one of the CVs did this
A History of DAZ Human Figures"
Very interesting. Thanks for that.
I like her, she wont replace genesis in my runtime, but its nice to have variety and I won't really have to shell out much money just morphs and some skin textures, otherwise she is going to use V4 clothes and hair, genesis poses
I was making "delicate" female face morphs for Dawn and decided to make an Elfin character. A nocturnal Elf with huge cat-like eyes....
She needs really pale skin- off to Photoshop she goes.
Even if the default has a big chin-it's easy enough to morph it away....somebody will release a morph pack. I got frustrated with the lack of specific morphs for V4 a few years ago and learned how to make my own.
. Now with Dawn.
This is the Nikki texture and default Dawn after morphing.
Yikes! I actually jumped a little when I scrolled your rendering up. Those eyes were very unexpected, lol.
I'm scared to touch her eyes! I know I'll end up really screwing up the mesh. You did a great job on her face and her eyes.
Cat eyes can reflect back at you sometimes :-) I have another character similar, but without the Nocturnal Eyes. My point is that Dawn Default is only the beginning.
It better be :) I liked this character by some reason but "poser only" gave me a pause.
Purchased by accident and heard on the Hivewire forums that indeed VW is producing a DS version so I submitted a ticket to either exchange when it's released or go through the refund and purchase the right version when it's released. Left it up to them.
Working away at Bruno still. He's coming along nicely. I started from scratch this AM as I wanted a smoother base figure to work off of and to create future shapes in the future. Folks have been curious if I'm going to go "merchant" and if I do skin for the shape I might give that go finally. I'm no Mec4D but enough folks like my work so perhaps it's time to jump into those waters. We shall see.
Hey, if you can create a male morph and skin for Dawn (either here or elsewhere), I'd buy it.
Thanks Satira
She tends to blink when I touch her eyes! Thank's for the compliment-here is a render with somewhat smaller although still larger than human-eyes- no cat style back lighting either
Thanks so much. I just finished up the first big try. I'm scared to load it in DS now! lmao! I know I'll have to adjust rigging, that goes without saying for such a huge morph like this. I'm actually kinda worried about the inner mouth. I THINK there might be an issue and I'm not looking forward to finding out! :bug:
Eric, I really love that latest render. Soft and pretty. Love the big eyes and sexy lips. Cute ears too.
Thanks RamWolff!
EDIT: I scaled down the eyes and changed the materials as well. Believe it or not my first large eye Dawn was only 50% of the full morph.
That would have REALLY scared off a few people. :-)