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No. Dawn is a new stand alone figure that has versions for DS 4.5 and up and Poser 9 and up. It is owned by Hivewire 3D. Apollo Max is owned by Anton. Anton ceased to work on Apollo 5 or 6 years ago and has no intentions of updating.
Dawn is currently free but I don't think it will remain free indefinitely.
I read free for the next 30 days, which means 28.5 days as of ....NOW!
Dawn still looks too scarily masculine at the moment. I think I'll be happy sticking to Genesis 2. In my humble opinion, Genesis 2's rigging is superior by comparison as it allows greater levels of movement than Dawn. Still, Dawn is better than classic Genesis in terms of rigging and has more polygons than even Genesis 2. Unfortunately, I do feel that they could have put those extra polygons to better use than they did, which means that Genesis 2 still has the upper hand when it comes to anatomy and muscle groups.
Right now Dawn's topology works against her, but perhaps future generations will improve upon it and make her worth a second look. Until then, I'm perfectly happy with Genesis and Genesis 2.
Ah- I mentioned Goblin morphs? Here are two cousins enjoying the beach. I suspect they just caught sight of a cute Guy Goblin playing Frisbee with some humans up the beach. "-)
We already have figures native to both programs and its the entire Gen3 lineup and the Gen4 figures.
For those that don't know what I meant by burned bridges, look around, not at the products, the names of who made them! Many names once big here are gone are now being seen elsewhere! More and more often.
DAZ alone is not responsable for any concived gap in the "community". All companies need to make decisions that are best for the survival of the company and if what DAZ wants to create figure wise is not what SM wants to support then DAZ has to do what is best for them just as SM does as they feel is best for them. If you stop and think about it, the "community" is and has been split for a very long time. Everyone has a favorite figure and a favorite program. If one figure or program is supported over another then those of the ignored group feel the split while the other group does not.
As for people leaving, it happens. Things change and people come and go.
Hi Matty
From what viewpoint is she not superior to the Gen3 line? There is WM and there is WM- Dawn's is the best I have seen. was a highly involved beta tester for V4-WM which involved a rather close scrutiny of bending with each beta release-so that is where I draw my opinions.
I use V4-WM every day currently
There are other WM figures in Poser- some of the new ones are not bad-but do not bend and pose as naturally as Dawn.
I have to say that she runs rings around the Gen3 line-and bends much better than my BELOVED V4-WM. I am coming from the Poser perspective as I have not tried Dawn in DS as of yet. In Poser her bends, joints, and "tissue" deform in natural ways akin to the best I've seen of Genesis in DS (which impressed me enough to re-learn DS).
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True, but Dawn is not inovative. It does not add any new technology. She is not the first Poser WM figure. Other then the fact that it uses weightmapping, there is really nothing inovative over the Gen3 line.
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I am curious about the male version of Dawn, but I find Mec4D's licensing kind of overly complicated. I would wait to see how the licensing is at Hivewire before purchasing.
Hey Eric,
I don't see any real improvement over previous characters. Nothing about Dawn adds anything to Poser or DS in any way or surpasses the excisting models. While WM can provide better bending, it doesn't make it superior compared to its predecessors.
I would think that since Dawn is owned by Hivewire that the licensing will be theirs not Caths but I could be wrong about how all that's handled. Now her clothing line for Darren MIGHT have her own licensing. I do admit to preferring one price & license for each package keeps things sane and simple for most folks!
Why? if you load them into DS via regular Poser runtime, and answer None and None to autofit popup it will fit them to Dawn very nicely.
I guess we will just have to disagree-otherwise- If I get motivated I'll post some side by side renders later.
Hey Eric,
I don't see any real improvement over previous characters. Nothing about Dawn adds anything to Poser or DS in any way or surpasses the excisting models. While WM can provide better bending, it doesn't make it superior compared to its predecessors.
He has a right to his opinion
He has a right to his opinion
Where did i say he didn't?
Where did you find an active link?
Where did i say he didn't?
SAT. Didn't find out until just now that the mesh is supposed to be a freebie.
'She's' listed for sale not as a freebie in the DAZ shop. So --- where's this 'freebie' supposed to be?
I took some extra omega3 and I still don't find her listed as a freebie. Wrong site? Anyone?
SAT
Update --
Got her!
TYVM Zenrel.
I sent you a PM to a link because Dawn is not made by Daz but from a different company.
Where did i say he didn't?
SAT. Didn't find out until just now that the mesh is supposed to be a freebie.
'She's' listed for sale not as a freebie in the DAZ shop. So --- where's this 'freebie' supposed to be?
I took some extra omega3 and I still don't find her listed as a freebie. Wrong site? Anyone?
SAT
Dawn isn't a Daz character. ;)
Most of the links have been getting removed. I see Zenrel has you covered though. :)
I would think that since Dawn is owned by Hivewire that the licensing will be theirs not Caths. Now her clothing line for him MIGHT have her own licensing. I wasn't crazy about all the either. One price for each package keeps things sane and simple! \\
Yeah. I think her content is great. Missed out on her huntsman figure when it was sold at DAZ. I wanted to pick up several things from her store, but I thought the licensing for me was hard to understand. I ended up not buying anything. While I I don't have any plans to sell my artwork commercially, I want to be able to do whatever I want with my renders.
Yeah. I think her content is great. Missed out on her huntsman figure when it was sold at DAZ. I wanted to pick up several things from her store, but I thought the licensing for me was hard to understand. I ended up not buying anything. While I I don't have any plans to sell my artwork commercially, I want to be able to do whatever I want with my renders.
Reading the huntsman, it looks like it gives you a license for personal and commercial renders, a 3D game license to use the mesh in a game, and for use in 3D printing. Personal and commercial renders are definitely ok, but if you don't plan on making a 3d game or utilizing 3d printing then you don't need to worry about those anyways.
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Reading the "personal commercial rendered artwork", I think that may mean you can sell your art as say a print, but you can't sell your art to be used as say a book cover.
No harm in just asking Cath for clarification.
Got her!
Thnx for the link Zenrel. :coolsmile:
Omega3 starting to work now -- much to my wife's relief! :P
Went and looked once the Hivewire servers got sorted out. Looked at the new content at Rendo and RDNA as well. Some of it's rather nice.
I can also see that there are probably some reasons for why Poser users might want to adopt her. She's basically a Poser figure, just not one produced by Smith-Micro. The alternate rigging for Studio was a nice gesture, but it doesn't really feel like the market for the figure is assumed to actually be there.
It isn't an unattractive figure. But then neither were Antonia Polygon or My Michelle. For that matter, I've seen some nice morphs for Alyson and Tyler, too.
But. I use Studio. I *only* use Studio, and I can't really see any compelling reason for why I would want to use Dawn in Studio. Even the Dawn content seems to rarely recognize Studio as more than an afterthought. And it's not like there was an autofit clone to make it easier.
So, okay. I'll watch the developments. But I can't really work up any excitement. It just doesn't seem particularly *relevant*.
There are also some things at Xurge and YURDigital.
There's also a tutorial in H3D's complimentary section on how to create a V4 clone. It literally takes maybe 5-10 minutes... 5 seconds once you get the posing adjusted.
And Poser World.
Since no link was shown in that first post I assumed that she was a DAZ figure. But - what is that old saying? To assume is to make an ass of you and me..
Yeppers :P
I'm saving my money for the Big C release. In the meantime, free is free, so I picked up Dawn and some freebies from here, there, and yonder. Genesis is my main figure and I have lots more to do before I even try Dawn or GF2. I'm not happy having to manually download and install. I'm a DIM spoiled brat.
Got it and thnx
Big C release?
Is it just me that thinks that dawn seems a shemale?
My only concern is that i fear artists will start to support just dawn... now that geneisis started to flourish. I just hope that dawn is not a step back cos V6 is the best female figure out there right now. Also I don't get why so many people is still stuck in V4, ok I understand that there is people that has tons of content of V4, but some day we have to evolve no?
This is your opinion but let me assure you she is a female no less than Gia is.
(and using shemale word isn't actually a proper way to address transgender/transsexual people, so just you'd know)
...Steph4 was like that. Just a nice basic female figure who loaded in at about 5'3". She was one of the main reasons I purchased GenX so I could port her morphs over to Genesis. Daz really needed to centre on her more as the standard female model.
Gen4 works natively in both DS and Poser. Genesis and G2F does not. Poser users may not want to change programs just for the sake of a figure.