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Short stocky Celtic people,
Why do Celts have to be short and stocky?
I couldn't agree more with this. Thank you so much for posting this, Seliah. :)
@ SSBryan - Just an example I found using the Genesis 2 platform. Pretty sure I can find plenty more. I find it very strange you cannot find diversity using Daz figures when I and others have no problem doing so.
Really, the only thing I need are a lot of morph dials, a few skins (generally, light, medium, dark), and some layer stuff to add freckles and other variations.
The rest I can work with.
Consider the following two images. Both are Ninive6:
http://willbear.deviantart.com/art/Lady-in-Red-547600634
http://willbear.deviantart.com/art/Ninive-Nuit-534743928
(Normally I would have simply used Benjamin for Nuit, but was curious what I could do with Ninive skin. Passable!)
Yep. Pretty much the same:)
You can tell that they sure have a pulse on the shape of things but now its up to all of us to give it a soul... It's like I saw somebody saying that DAZ hasn't provided material 'we could write a story with' and I thought everything they do fascilitates just that.. I mean, entire series have been built around single sets or two to three small sets.. Everything we need is already here. It's up to us to write the stories... make them all good ones.
Peace, Yo, come hang out with me and my witches in the basement.. we'll throw out some pocket money. Smile.
I'm good with morphs already actually, though I do tend to pick up compelling morph packs as time progresses. Particularly bend/movement morphs are always useful. And if we are lucky some bugged eyed toon characters will still come out for the females at least. Cause even though G3F can be all realistic, she can be expressive which could make for some really animated toons. I still haven't figured out how to fix the eye bones when I make a big head morph :( My failing.
"Do you have even the slightest clue as to how many Asian & Black figues sold at DAZ do not actually come with natural colored eyes? I do - it was a major factor in me kicking V4/M4 to the curb for major characters."
And do you know that you only have to change two material zones on a DAZ figure to give them any other eye textures that you want? You don't even have to do that, just change the Iris Diffuse color to something darker on a light eye texture and you'll get what you need.
"I find it very strange you cannot find diversity using Daz figures when I and others have no problem doing so."
That's a great example Zev. Lots of variety and best of all, no need to use horrifying alternate figures. ;)
I'm using Actual Eyes 4 on G2 and I'm hoping they release something similar to this for G3. The G2 version sort of works on G3, but, thanks to a silly rename of the EyeSurface material zone to EyeMoisture, this bit doesn't work. I have asked Daz, via a feature request, to reinstate the EyeSurface material zone so we can use G2 eyes properly on G3.
Probably won't happen, but, as we've seen so far, stranger things have....
CHEERS!
Hmm, it's going to take a greater helmsman than Sulu to steer this thread back on course! Weren't we supposed to be discussing Eva 7!?
CHEERS!
It was more than about Eva if you read the OP. And the OP hasn't told us to leave yet :) But I will say Eva got the fire started that is this thread.
Ok, let's keep fanning the flames then, LOL!
CHEERS!
Don't forget there are some of us around that have very efficient hosepipes.
I probably used the wrong expression :) I wasn't thinking about the term I used and it's connotation on the web LOL.
She is kinda fiery though.
With a small number of different morphs (especially nose morphs--that's where you often see the biggest differences based on ethnic heritage) and a handful of skins, you can do a lot. Of course, for G3, we have neither of those things. Eva 7 doesn't diversify the pretty white woman model gene pool very much. I'm fairly patient because I know it takes time to roll out an entirely new generation of figues. But I hate the sense one gets from DAZ that non-white people are afterthoughts. Diversity as a social good in a nation that struggles with adopting to our growing non-whiteness aside, I get bored by the over-abundance of tall, pretty white women in skimpy clothes I that dominate my dA feed.
Well, as everyone knows, we all can scream "diversity" at DAZ all we want, but the reality of it is, the world wants whitewashed, mannequin-faced, busty women in sex-provoking lingerie. Nothing outside of that demand fits the fetish. Not only that, but in reality, if you really look at it from all directions, it is all really a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” predicament. I have an arsenal of stock characters in my library who are diverse in nationality. Every now and then when I use them in art, whether that be a fantasy epic or a real world setting, I’ll get critics who instigate me with stuff like “Why is this main heroine particularly Asian?” or “Why is this Native boy dressed and acting like a typical white guy?” , ultimately get accused of “misrepresenting them/stripping them of their cultural heritage”. But then I’ll have gang of white people and the same spectator’s eyes will roll.
Though, something I'd like to see happen, as inspired by Siliah's post, that I also would think would be a more helpful approach to "DAZversity" and other lamented niches would something like this:
REAL WORLD
FANTASY
STYLIZED
And of course, all of which are adjustable by Youth and Aged add-on morphs.
I'm still waiting for DAZ store to debut the new male skimpwear. Men's stuff doesn't sell of course. But given the plethora of skimpwear for the ladies it does seem about time for a male character to debut with sexy male underwar, clothing, poses, and skimpy outfits.
Has anyone seen my car keys? I could swear I left them on the kitchen counter.
Well, considering the success of a certain movie, I think there would be a lot of customers for male skimpwear ;)
Anyways, I digress. As I am part of an ethnic minority, I genuinely do not believe there is a minority/diversity problem. There is a simple reason why figures like Victora sell well: they're aesthetically pleasing to a good number of DAZ's customers, which is the point for an art site selling art products. And we should applaud the company and various PAs for not taking the easy way out and releasing token minority figures -- that is, low-quality, palette-swapped figures.
The better question to ask is why figures of ethnic minorities and/or of strikingly different appearances don't sell as well, and what can be done to encourage their sale. These products are there, in high quality as well. But why won't people buy them in bigger numbers?
Have you actually looked in the Store as to what is sold for G2F and G2M?
Diversity in skin - http://www.daz3d.com/skin-builder-for-genesis-and-genesis2-female-s - a do it your self solution
Old people - http://www.daz3d.com/aging-morphs-2-bundle-hd
young people - http://www.daz3d.com/growing-up-bundle
Roll those in with all the available characters for G2F & G2M in the store and you can dial your own rather easily. In fact you can mix ANY character morph for G2F or G2M with ANY other that you have installed in your library. Including the morph resource kits and the Head and Body morphs too.
As for the different character skins, you are allowed to adjust settings in the surface tab to alter their appearence. Of all the dark skined characters I own for G2F, none of them look the identical under the same lights.
I was a very happy and dedicated Aiko3 user for 9 years. I finally abandoned her in favor of Genesis 2 Female cause of how much better G2F is. The never ending ability to mix characters is pricessless. The more character shapes and morph packs you have, the more you can do. The possabilities are endless. But you have to be willing to spend the money to buy them and take the time to spin the dials to make your own characters.
I don't know what all the fuss is about. I don't buy characters based on their race, I buy them because they are pretty. I myself am of a mixed heritage (German American and Nicaraguan) and I love the white girls (and guys) as much as the brown, chocolate, Asian, and everyone else in between. Daz is my fantasy go-to place for all kinds of beauty.
I see now some of the PAs are starting to voice their own feelings, and I appreciate that.
As I've been trying to say, I can see past the shaders and all the way to the possibilities, so to speak. As artists working in an infinitely dynamic platform (after all, we can change textures, color, lighting, morphs, clothing, props, and scenery), I think this really is on us.
I refuse to grouse about my own inadequacies as an artist as if it were the fault of the software maker or the content providers; not in this case! The situation here is SO MUCH BETTER than the 2D characterizations, lazy storytelling, and lame plot development out of Hollywood.
And I think I'm going to buy Victoria 7 and Eva 7. So there!
It's like going into the bakery, really liking the place. But wishing they stocked something other than white bread, whole wheat bagels, and donut holes.
The bakery is good. It's really really good. And you know they can make other stuff, but hey, people really buy white bread and whole wheat bagels. Maybe next year.
I agree Eva is just too similar to V7 to be worth the buy, when I can get that variety and more from V7. Here's V7 with a little tweaking of skin tones and morphs.
double post sorry
And I think its more like going to a grocery store and asking asking for a sandwich, being told: "well here's the bread and all the ingredients, but you need to make it yourself." and then complaining that there aren't any sandwiches.
I think Gen3 can make a lovely black woman. the actual morph here is 85% the same as my very white dutch girl render. The only difference between her and that one is some dials I spun, so its not like I had to sculpt her either.
"Have you actually looked in the Store as to what is sold for G2F and G2M?"
I don't think people are complaining in this thread about the lack of diversity for the Genesis 2 figures. They're complaining about it taking so long for anything non-white to come out for a new figure. We don't want to have to wait 13 months again for Genesis 3 diversity.
"You have the Frazetta/Elvgren wannabe's - who make up a majority of new customers - because they are new, they are busy with the whole NVIATWAS thingie"
"Those who have left NVIATWAS behind are moving onto other things.Some are jumping into animation, some are moving to story-boarding, some are moving to book illustration, graphic novels in my case, etc. "
And some of us are still happily making NVIATWAS renders after fifteen years because you don't have to be a perverted noob to want to make sexy fantasy art. :)
Someone mentioned NVIATWAS? After years working with Poser and Studio I made my first one. As SnowSultan said, happily!
Technically is not Vic and neither she is naked, but you get the idea!