Eva 7 - just what we needed...

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460

    Some things autofit better than others. G2 to G3 should be fine as the clothing is of the newer design. Gen4 is hit and miss as autofit can mangle the geometry during the conversion process. Hair can get irretrievably mangled and clothes can sometimes be saved with a smoothing modifier. You don't know till you try what you're going to get.

    CHEERS!

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 4,511

    Oh hey, someone just linked the article I mentioned about how photography is skewed toward whites:

     

    http://priceonomics.com/how-photography-was-optimized-for-white-skin/

     

    It's a fascinating read, really. (and of relevance regarding lighting etc)

     

    Thanks for sharing! 

  • GallCommTVGallCommTV Posts: 239
    wiz said:

    REAL WORLD

    • Mesomorphic Female/Male bases that all model and athletic idealist characters can be built off of (Ex: Victoria & Michael, Gia, Lilith).
    • Ectomorphic Female/Male bases that all petite and slim everyday characters can encompass (Ex: Stephanie & David, Teens).
    • Endomorphic Female/Male bases that all curvy and muscular hero characters can be supported by (Ex: Olympia & Gianni).

    You do realize that William Sheldon has been so thoroughly discredited that using his somatotypes (mesomorphic, ectomorphic, endomorphic) as your criteria for "real world" totally destroys your credibility, right?

    Still commonly used descripters however. Ignore Sheldon and look elsewhere. I wouldn't deride the poster for using commonly used terms. Maybe read the message without being so picky about the words chosen.

    I second that

  • BlueIreneBlueIrene Posts: 1,318

    I use Zevo's morphs and products like Skin Builder all the time - the range of characters offered by Daz is too narrow not to. In my ideal world, I'd like it seen as a given that tools like this are available for each base figure so that we can just create our own characters, and the Daz focus shifted a bit from the figures and onto the things they'll need instead, such as clothes and environments. I admit I'm a bit of an environment junkie anyway, but I would have been at the front of the queue if there had been a 'Victorian London Pro' package available featuring Stonemason's 'Streets of Old London', male and female outfits for rich and poor and a Victorian copper. I can't be certain as I had no need for it at the time, but I believe there was a bunch of prison items (cell, prison clothes etc) marketed as a bundle in this way a few weeks back. Much more useful than having prisoners sitting around in the cell with nothing to wear - I hope someone caters for my Old Londoners soon too as it can get chilly in all that fog :)

    In short, rather than regularly being presented with a bundle based around another new character I'm not remotely interested in, I'd rather be provided with the tools to create my own and be regularly presented with bundles based around an environment that I'll use a lot or around practical or even fantasy fashion themes.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    j cade said:

    I can't claim credit for the skin idea, it was someone in the V7 thread.

    But, starting from the default iray settings, in the material tab you select all the skin, turn the translucency way up (.86 for this render) set the translucency color to generally a brighter red (h/s/v of 17/255/165 in that one I think) and the diffuse color to a very light cyan (164/16/239), but basically just fiddle around with those options until you find a tone you like. I also probably lowered the specular a tad, as it shows up more on the darker skin.

    As for the lighting, Paiter's Lights obviously (I really need to set up a banner in my sig)

     

    And yes, the hair is the fantastic Omri Hair.

    Could you possibly give me rgb values?  Mac Photoshop has no HSV, only HSB and HSL and they use degrees and percentages.  The only thing with values from 0-255 is rgb, but I don't know if your HSV translates to RGB.  Thanks.

     17/255/165 translates to 165/49/0 RGB and 164/16/239 translates to224/239/235 . But just to be clear, I'm not using photoshop for anything in my images, just thte surfaces panel.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310

    Alright, Asian skin is much harder than Black skin to do for me. I think the problem is that it really is a lot closer to white skin, so its hard to find the balance between "no that just looks caucasian" and "slightly racist caricature".

     

    It also really needs a lighter skin base than Eva or V7. Eva is okay, although the eyebrow color is a bit jarring. Thankfully dyed red hair is a bit of a thing is Japan and Korea (not sure if it is in China) I blame Anne of Green Gables.

     

    The Pale texture is based on Ninive and I think is a decent facimile of asian fashion mag skin

    Same methodology as for the black skin, but I set the diffuse color to a greenish yellow, and the translucence to a purple-ish pink (light magenta I guess)

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  • RCDescheneRCDeschene Posts: 2,816
    edited July 2015
    wiz said:

    REAL WORLD

    • Mesomorphic Female/Male bases that all model and athletic idealist characters can be built off of (Ex: Victoria & Michael, Gia, Lilith).
    • Ectomorphic Female/Male bases that all petite and slim everyday characters can encompass (Ex: Stephanie & David, Teens).
    • Endomorphic Female/Male bases that all curvy and muscular hero characters can be supported by (Ex: Olympia & Gianni).

    You do realize that William Sheldon has been so thoroughly discredited that using his somatotypes (mesomorphic, ectomorphic, endomorphic) as your criteria for "real world" totally destroys your credibility, right?

    Still commonly used descripters however. Ignore Sheldon and look elsewhere. I wouldn't deride the poster for using commonly used terms. Maybe read the message without being so picky about the words chosen.

    I second that

    I was about to say, they're no more dis/credible than Myers-Briggs personality types or using temperamental adjectives. In fact, both a fitness trainer I know and my doctor uses bodytypes as references. Hell, I was even called "Choleric" once recently by a psychiatrist. ;)

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  • DarkSpartanDarkSpartan Posts: 1,096
    j cade said:

    Alright, Asian skin is much harder than Black skin to do for me. I think the problem is that it really is a lot closer to white skin, so its hard to find the balance between "no that just looks caucasian" and "slightly racist caricature".

     

    It also really needs a lighter skin base than Eva or V7. Eva is okay, although the eyebrow color is a bit jarring. Thankfully dyed red hair is a bit of a thing is Japan and Korea (not sure if it is in China) I blame Anne of Green Gables.

     

    The Pale texture is based on Ninive and I think is a decent facimile of asian fashion mag skin

    Same methodology as for the black skin, but I set the diffuse color to a greenish yellow, and the translucence to a purple-ish pink (light magenta I guess)

    

    That looks pretty close to what I did to Rumiko. 

    Next, I get to try and match skin from India-- Not expecting that to be a fun time, expecially since there's a fairly large range of shades.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    j cade said:

    Alright, Asian skin is much harder than Black skin to do for me. I think the problem is that it really is a lot closer to white skin, so its hard to find the balance between "no that just looks caucasian" and "slightly racist caricature".

     

    It also really needs a lighter skin base than Eva or V7. Eva is okay, although the eyebrow color is a bit jarring. Thankfully dyed red hair is a bit of a thing is Japan and Korea (not sure if it is in China) I blame Anne of Green Gables.

     

    The Pale texture is based on Ninive and I think is a decent facimile of asian fashion mag skin

    Same methodology as for the black skin, but I set the diffuse color to a greenish yellow, and the translucence to a purple-ish pink (light magenta I guess)

    

    That looks pretty close to what I did to Rumiko. 

    Next, I get to try and match skin from India-- Not expecting that to be a fun time, expecially since there's a fairly large range of shades.

     

    It helps me to think in terms of skintone and undertone. In many ways the subsurface color controls the undertone so while it should always be redish a more purpley red creates a cooler undertone whereas a orangey red creates a much warmer skintone.  I've found reading makeup blog discussions of undertones (like this one http://musicalhouses.blogspot.com/2010/01/undertones-for-asians-how-to-tell-if.html ) surprisingly useful. It also does a good job of showing variations which is helpful at staving off any "slightly rasist caricature" tendencies.

     

    I also found this http://navate.deviantart.com/art/SKIN-a-chart-SUPPLEMENT-IMG-145160154 and this http://navate.deviantart.com/art/SKIN-a-tutorial-Part-2-145159387 Super helpful. It's not perfectly one-to-one but those warmpth and highlight colors match pretty well with the colors I use for diffuse and translucence tints.  Its for painting but many of the ideas hold true and it's one of few tutorials that goes into detail on non-caucasian skin.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343

    Keep in mind, allot of the Asian skin has good melanin in it so it tans very well.  Almost all my Asian friends have a better tan that I could ever hope to get with my German, Irish, Danish skin!  lol

  • SuperdogSuperdog Posts: 765
    edited July 2015

    The differences between skin pigmentation are caused by the amount of melanin contained in the skin. The only significant difference between light skin and dark skin is the amount of melanin. Slight variations may occur in skin thickness, hydration and size of skin cells but again, this is highly variable even between people considered to have similar pigmentation. The difference between one person with light skin and another can vary as much as between a light and a dark skinned person. We're all descended from mitochondrial Eve who originated in Africa so there's only once race - the human race. There isn't any extra special skill (apart from a knowledge of human skin in relation to creating skin shaders) that's necessary to create different skin colours - the only barrier is the desire to make them.

    The variation between African features is as diverse as in any other population in any other region on earth. It would be just as wrong to assume that all people across Africa have a certain feature set as it would to assume all Europeans have blonde hair and blue eyes. Especially considering that historically racism is a fairly recent occurance in human history and that ideas about racial differences only emerged in the 16th century and nationalism much later. Before racism emerged who you married was a question of political/religious allegience, property and status not the relatively recent pseudo-science of race or territorial divisions based on nationality.

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  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    Superdog said:

    The differences between skin pigmentation are caused by the amount of melanin contained in the skin. The only significant difference between light skin and dark skin is the amount of melanin. Slight variations may occur in skin thickness, hydration and size of skin cells but again, this is highly variable even between people considered to have similar pigmentation. The difference between one person with light skin and another can vary as much as between a light and a dark skinned person. We're all descended from mitochondrial Eve who originated in Africa so there's only once race - the human race. There isn't any extra special skill (apart from a knowledge of human skin in relation to creating skin shaders) that's need to make different skin colours - the only barrier is the desire to make them.

    The variation between African features is as diverse as in any other population in any other region on earth. It would be just as wrong to assume that all people across Africa have a certain feature set as it would to assume all Europeans have blonde hair and blue eyes. Especially considering that historically racism is a fairly recent occurance in human history and that ideas about racial differences only emerged in the 16th century and nationalism much later. Before racism emerged who you married was a question of political/religious allegience, property and status not skin colour or the relatively recent pseudo-science of race.

    +1000! I love you. 

     

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    Some of us also have Neanderthal. Which makes things interesting.  =-)

  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 12,446
    j cade said:
    j cade said:

    I can't claim credit for the skin idea, it was someone in the V7 thread.

    But, starting from the default iray settings, in the material tab you select all the skin, turn the translucency way up (.86 for this render) set the translucency color to generally a brighter red (h/s/v of 17/255/165 in that one I think) and the diffuse color to a very light cyan (164/16/239), but basically just fiddle around with those options until you find a tone you like. I also probably lowered the specular a tad, as it shows up more on the darker skin.

    As for the lighting, Paiter's Lights obviously (I really need to set up a banner in my sig)

     

    And yes, the hair is the fantastic Omri Hair.

    Could you possibly give me rgb values?  Mac Photoshop has no HSV, only HSB and HSL and they use degrees and percentages.  The only thing with values from 0-255 is rgb, but I don't know if your HSV translates to RGB.  Thanks.

     17/255/165 translates to 165/49/0 RGB and 164/16/239 translates to224/239/235 . But just to be clear, I'm not using photoshop for anything in my images, just thte surfaces panel.

    Thanks.  I am not trying to use Photoshop, just trying to get the right numbers.  Both Studio and Photoshop use the same color picker; I should have made that clear.

  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 4,970
    Zev0 said:

    I think you did a good job changing the skin tone to look more ethnic, and the amount of spec is good as well:) Hmmm...When I have free time I am gonna experiment with a palm, sole and lip overlay system. Maybe we won't really need dark skin if we can just adjust the settings on lighter skin, and adjust the brightness of those areas seperately. Should be a fun experiment.

    Kickair8p created an overlay set for Genesis 3 that's available on her deviantArt site and on ShareCG. It's really not possible to create an overlay of the type I think you're considering -- or not easily, anyway -- for earlier generations because of the way the skin is laid out and where the seams on the hands and feet land.

    And yes, we DO really need dark skin. Working with settings inside Studio can't work, if you want a realistic result, because it affects the palms and soles as well as the rest of the body. They aren't separate surfaces. That type of tinkering also won't work for the face the way it used to because the lips are no longer the same sort of separate material zone with Genesis 3. Doing much with translucency risks not only making people look like waxworks, whether you want that look or not, but depending on the shader, makes people glow in the dark.

    Darkening the skin in other programs and then editing the hands, unless you're very very very very good (which, to be fair, you are), tends to make people look painted, with skin tones far too even.

    I also have ... philosophical issues with that approach, but I think I'll leave those be for now.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,236

    White people. Duh. ;)

    Who sunbathe to look more, um, ethnic?

  • chevybabe25chevybabe25 Posts: 1,318
    edited July 2015

    Hmm I  have something that may fit the ethnic request :) Only a sneek peek 

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460

    Interesting.....

    CHEERS!

  • BlazeMystEraBlazeMystEra Posts: 465

    I second the "Interesting" :)

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460

    Mmm, Bethany 7!?

    CHEERS!

  • chevybabe25chevybabe25 Posts: 1,318

    If you are referring to my girl Amisi - shes all g3 :) 

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460

    Amisi, one to look out for methinks.

    CHEERS!

  • chevybabe25chevybabe25 Posts: 1,318

    Thanks .. Ill post one more promo.. but I dont want to Hijack the thread with a commercial.. so no more till next week in a thread of its own..;) But shes sitting there waiting.....

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  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460

    Nice, you are right though.

    CHEERS!

  • SpitSpit Posts: 2,342

    Thanks.  I am not trying to use Photoshop, just trying to get the right numbers.  Both Studio and Photoshop use the same color picker; I should have made that clear.

    Just as an OT point of interest, after years and years of using this color picker in Windows and Photoshop I just discovered recently that you can drag and drop colors into the 'custom color' boxes. I'd given up using the 'Add to Custom Colors' button because it always dropped it into the first box so I was stuck. blush

    BTW, another something I discovered recently. I use Windows Explorer to browse through my content (easier than Smart Content or Content folder for me) and use drag n drop to add stuff to my scenes. I just discovered I can drag n drop images from Explorer into the little image boxes in the shader tab too! I use that technique to drop hdr's now as well.

    Back to your regular scheduled programming.

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    holy toledo, Spit, THANK YOU from the bottom of my photoshop-confused heart!!!!!!!!!!! I did not know that worked, and it drove me nuts that a custom colour I had would always replace the first one in the box!!!!!!!!!!!!  

    Spit said:

     

    Just as an OT point of interest, after years and years of using this color picker in Windows and Photoshop I just discovered recently that you can drag and drop colors into the 'custom color' boxes. I'd given up using the 'Add to Custom Colors' button because it always dropped it into the first box so I was stuck. blush

     

  • SpitSpit Posts: 2,342
    jakiblue said:

    holy toledo, Spit, THANK YOU from the bottom of my photoshop-confused heart!!!!!!!!!!! I did not know that worked, and it drove me nuts that a custom colour I had would always replace the first one in the box!!!!!!!!!!!!  

    Spit said:

     

    Just as an OT point of interest, after years and years of using this color picker in Windows and Photoshop I just discovered recently that you can drag and drop colors into the 'custom color' boxes. I'd given up using the 'Add to Custom Colors' button because it always dropped it into the first box so I was stuck. blush

    Oh yer welcome, Jaki! Hugs. Nice to know I'm not the only one--or the only one who will admit it, anyway laugh

     

  • RogerbeeRogerbee Posts: 4,460
    edited July 2015

    If remember correctly, I think you can also save custom colours by clicking the box you want to put the colour in and then clicking 'Add to Custom Colours'. It took a few goes for me to realise though.

    CHEERS!

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  • Subtropic PixelSubtropic Pixel Posts: 2,388
    Superdog said:

    The differences between skin pigmentation are caused by the amount of melanin contained in the skin. The only significant difference between light skin and dark skin is the amount of melanin. Slight variations may occur in skin thickness, hydration and size of skin cells but again, this is highly variable even between people considered to have similar pigmentation. The difference between one person with light skin and another can vary as much as between a light and a dark skinned person. We're all descended from mitochondrial Eve who originated in Africa so there's only once race - the human race. There isn't any extra special skill (apart from a knowledge of human skin in relation to creating skin shaders) that's necessary to create different skin colours - the only barrier is the desire to make them.

    The variation between African features is as diverse as in any other population in any other region on earth. It would be just as wrong to assume that all people across Africa have a certain feature set as it would to assume all Europeans have blonde hair and blue eyes. Especially considering that historically racism is a fairly recent occurance in human history and that ideas about racial differences only emerged in the 16th century and nationalism much later. Before racism emerged who you married was a question of political/religious allegience, property and status not the relatively recent pseudo-science of race or territorial divisions based on nationality.

    This!  Thank you!

  • I was so pleased to read the comments by larsmidnatt because I thought it was only me that found the recent Africans more than a little shocking. If I were black I would be insulted to the core when the first black figures to come out where witch doctors and voodoo queens!, and lets not forget Lee who as stereotypacally is released as a Kung Foo fighter or a Asian gangster type.

    If DAZ was a TV show they wouldbe in court. what is next for Lee a waiters uniform?, Im a white Europian man from the UK and not easily shocked but I though it showed little respect.

    There I said it

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