Burger Restaurant - One HUGE flaw

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,355
    edited August 2019
    daveso said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/burger-restaurant

    Have you ever been in a burger place, fastfood restaurant that was as squeaky clean as this one? ?Usually stuff spilled, the tables are a mess, wrappers, crumbs on the floor, greazy looking most of the time.... 

    Where's the dirt? 
     

    Virgin Burger Joint.  All burger joints would be this clean if they just didn't have to deal with customers.frown  Don't get me started about "human nature".sad

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  • NylonGirlNylonGirl Posts: 2,330

    Around here there is a health code they have to keep up.  Maybe it is a new store given the fact it has special spots people can order their food.  It does look fancy.

    my issue is not how clean but how fancy it is.

    Here are some pictures of a McDonald's restaurant in my city (Midwestern United States). It has those fancy ordering machines and I'd say it looks almost as clean as the CG restaurant.

    McDonald's 1.jpg
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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,206
    edited August 2019

    ours has those ordering placards too, I rarely go there and when I do I am the only customer

    it looks like a good set but I already own one from Rendo I have never loaded blush

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  • mr clam said:

    The ones in downtown San Francisco tend to be cleaned quickly

    LOL. Not in my experience. The fast food places surrounding the Civic Center must be the filthiest I've ever seen or smelled. And while it's not downtown, just last week there was so much vermin swarming the Popeyes on Divisadero that the health department had to shut it down. 

    Okay, the Tenderloin/"Civic Center", that's like the jungle. I don't think I've ever been to a McDonald's there. Oh, I've been to the Burger King near the one Mission BART station, and that's also not a place to go. (I'm reading that they closed that h-ll hole.)

    The FiDi is pretty decent, despite people camping and self-medicating on the premises. Outside may smell of pee, but the insides stay clean.

  • lilweeplilweep Posts: 2,841
    NylonGirl said:

    Around here there is a health code they have to keep up.  Maybe it is a new store given the fact it has special spots people can order their food.  It does look fancy.

    my issue is not how clean but how fancy it is.

    Here are some pictures of a McDonald's restaurant in my city (Midwestern United States). It has those fancy ordering machines and I'd say it looks almost as clean as the CG restaurant.

    i think basically every mcdonalds all over the world looks exactly the same at this point.

    There are lots of imperfections in that image which haven't been captured by the CG restaurant, such as the soft edges on the tables, chairs etc, the wrinkled and displaced cushions.  These things make a big difference between something looking just clean vs. artificial.

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,855
    daveso said:

    next time I'm in one, which is getting rarer, i will take a photo ... it will not look anything like this for sure. In fact, i get excited when i go in one and it is clean..wow, the table are clean, and so is the floor. 

    and you still eat their food with it not being clean??!! I would speed away, very fast!

  • Well in dealing with the 24 hour burger places and dragging out a certain clientele in  the middle of the night the set is missing a few rummies, a homeless person and a tweaker or two.

  • ReneWReneW Posts: 151
    edited August 2019

    I guess it all depends where you live and what the health codes are. After working for the Multnomah County Health Department in Oregon for almost 30 years, I know from experience that regular unannounced inspections occur and resturants are required to comply with strict health codes.  The fast food resturants that I've been in here are all clean unless small children have been there and thrown their food on the floor under the table but the staff always clean it up right away.  I personally like the new burger restaurant the way it is, I don't want my DAZ people eating in a dirty place.  smiley

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  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    Actually, it's the norm & expected in any decent restaurant to be squeaky clean, even fast food restaurants. When I worked as a busboy my entire day was premised on keeping the dining room, hallways, and public bathrooms clean.  I hardly ever eat out anymore being both poor and vegetarian but when I do the restaurants are clean.

    What I do find odd, is the world of 3D models seems to have weird obsession about excessive dirt & decay on their models when it's not realistic in the least with the excessive amounts it's portrayed on the 3D models. There are some places let it go unchecked to a degree but every restaurant, homeowner, city, town, and farm spends actually quite a bit of their time & money actively working against dirt & decay. I'm DIY-ing my house & yard. The prior owner of my house replaced it's ceiling 10 years ago. The local WalMarts within a 50 miles radius of me are retiling their floors, repaving their parking lots, and so on. When trash collection stops you know it pretty quick.

    If the restaurants you are eating at aren't clean you should question if you should be eating at them at all as that is a reflection of the cleanliness habits of the workers and a hepatitis A epidemic has spread like wildfire in the western hemisphere. 

    Besides that, have a 3D model scene of a restaurant with every render having the same burger wrapper laying at the same spot on the floor isn't more realistic at all since it's going to show up in umpteen unrelated renders. A spotlessly clean restaurant that shows up in umpteen unrelated renders is much more plausible.

    Are you in America? Most fast food places in gas stations, and any food service inside a Walmart are the absolute worst. I avoid them. Places in older building also look rough as well. However things are improving. There is a trend of fast food places rebuilding and remodeling their places to look better. That has become sort of its own arms race. For example, Chick-fil-a has a standard where every store MUST remodel after a certain period of time, the main company actually does a full inspection of each franchise location every year or so. I think they started this trend because this contributes to the business they do. Chick-fil-a does an insane amount of business, and the old brands are desperately trying to catch up. Every single McDonalds that is around me has done a full remodel of its store in the past two years, I am talking like a 50+ mile radius with dozens of locations. Taco-Bell has also jumped on this trend and many of those have remodeled around here. In some cases, they even tear down the old building and build entirely from scratch, which McDonalds did where I grew up.

    Of all the trends that can on, this is one I can get behind. But a brand new building or remodel doesn't mean the tables will always be clean. I don't know what it is about North Carolina, but any time I travel there the places are never clean, even when its not busy. It doesn't matter where I go. They just don't care. I have not traveled the whole state, but I have seen plenty. However, I gotta eat somewhere! I can't just leave every place I see with dirty tables or I might starve down there.

    Anyway, as for the product here, I am more concerned about the other stuff I do not see. Like Cybersox said, where are the bathrooms? Actually, where is the entrance? I think I see where it might be, but we don't have a picture of a door. And it is kind of odd that we don't see a kitchen or prep area or any hint of one. Though I understand that would have been really tough, but I think it would be pretty cool to have a full fast food building with a kitchen in it. That would allow artists to render up stories of people working in these places.

  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617
    edited August 2019

    Sure a "dirty" version may be a Texture add-on but honestly the best way always remains to do it by yourself.

    Nobody else knows better than you what you expect.

     

    Daz3D Shop provide a base for customisation and creativity.

     

    Post edited by Noah LGP on
  • davesodaveso Posts: 8,138
    daveso said:

    next time I'm in one, which is getting rarer, i will take a photo ... it will not look anything like this for sure. In fact, i get excited when i go in one and it is clean..wow, the table are clean, and so is the floor. 

    and you still eat their food with it not being clean??!! I would speed away, very fast!

    builds immunity laugh

    as long as you dont die from food poisoning or something. 

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,737
    namffuak said:
    Hylas said:
    This is an unrealistic fantasy setting. It doesn't need sticky floors.

    They only serve maidens in battle bikinis there.

    On topic: Most franchised fast food places I know are reasonably clean... I live in Europe, don't know if this matters.

    Early on, McDonald's had a standing order to all employees whether the store was company owned or a franchise -- if you're not serving a customer or prepping an order, clean. That seems to have gone a bit by the wayside in the past decade or so.

    Being clean was even the focus of a major McDonald's ad campaign back in the 70s, as this hilarious commercial demonstrates - -

     

  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,968

    The ones in downtown San Francisco tend to be cleaned quickly or else they're rendered uninhabitable due to the population of San Francisco being dirty and grimy.

    You know what I'm talking about...

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    Tech bros and developers!
    Axe Body Spray not a replacement for bathing!

    :-D

    many of the places I am near in China Basin/Mission Rock are nearly sterile in their cleanliness so mileage varies in San Francisco.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,323

    I prefer having a clean version as starting point, you can always make it dirty (and in your own way) if you want that. The other way round, from dirty to clean, usually isn't as easy.  

  • James_HJames_H Posts: 1,111

    If it was dirty, wouldn't that just attract the fireflies?

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,863

    When I was very little, late 1960s, the McDonald's nearest us (the area of Chicago called "The Little Village" nowadays) was still that kitchen tile style building with big lit golden arches that you had to order from windows outside the restaurant to get any food. We used to be taken there Saturday evenings in summertime. I can still remember the darkness, the bright lights from the businesses on Cicero Ave, and ozone smell (that I think was from traffic). The outside of it was spotless but I don't think it had an outdoor eating area because we never stayed to eat once.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,863
    Cybersox said:
    namffuak said:
    Hylas said:
    This is an unrealistic fantasy setting. It doesn't need sticky floors.

    They only serve maidens in battle bikinis there.

    On topic: Most franchised fast food places I know are reasonably clean... I live in Europe, don't know if this matters.

    Early on, McDonald's had a standing order to all employees whether the store was company owned or a franchise -- if you're not serving a customer or prepping an order, clean. That seems to have gone a bit by the wayside in the past decade or so.

    Being clean was even the focus of a major McDonald's ad campaign back in the 70s, as this hilarious commercial demonstrates - -

     

    I worked at Burger Queen in 1979 and if a burger wasn't sold within 15 minutes of being put in the heat lamp line it was tossed into the trash. In those days I remember reading that for every $20 of food sales a fast food restaurant like McDonald's makes 0.10 cents net profit. To give you an ideal of how thin a profit margin that is, about 15 years later when I was working for Texas Instrument Defense, Texas Instruments sold Texas Instruments Defense to Raytheon Defense because Texas Instruments Defense was only making about 10% net profit off of their contracts (or $2 per $20 sales) 

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,863

    Actually, it's the norm & expected in any decent restaurant to be squeaky clean, even fast food restaurants. When I worked as a busboy my entire day was premised on keeping the dining room, hallways, and public bathrooms clean.  I hardly ever eat out anymore being both poor and vegetarian but when I do the restaurants are clean.

    What I do find odd, is the world of 3D models seems to have weird obsession about excessive dirt & decay on their models when it's not realistic in the least with the excessive amounts it's portrayed on the 3D models. There are some places let it go unchecked to a degree but every restaurant, homeowner, city, town, and farm spends actually quite a bit of their time & money actively working against dirt & decay. I'm DIY-ing my house & yard. The prior owner of my house replaced it's ceiling 10 years ago. The local WalMarts within a 50 miles radius of me are retiling their floors, repaving their parking lots, and so on. When trash collection stops you know it pretty quick.

    If the restaurants you are eating at aren't clean you should question if you should be eating at them at all as that is a reflection of the cleanliness habits of the workers and a hepatitis A epidemic has spread like wildfire in the western hemisphere. 

    Besides that, have a 3D model scene of a restaurant with every render having the same burger wrapper laying at the same spot on the floor isn't more realistic at all since it's going to show up in umpteen unrelated renders. A spotlessly clean restaurant that shows up in umpteen unrelated renders is much more plausible.

    Are you in America? Most fast food places in gas stations, and any food service inside a Walmart are the absolute worst. I avoid them. Places in older building also look rough as well. However things are improving. There is a trend of fast food places rebuilding and remodeling their places to look better. That has become sort of its own arms race. For example, Chick-fil-a has a standard where every store MUST remodel after a certain period of time, the main company actually does a full inspection of each franchise location every year or so. I think they started this trend because this contributes to the business they do. Chick-fil-a does an insane amount of business, and the old brands are desperately trying to catch up. Every single McDonalds that is around me has done a full remodel of its store in the past two years, I am talking like a 50+ mile radius with dozens of locations. Taco-Bell has also jumped on this trend and many of those have remodeled around here. In some cases, they even tear down the old building and build entirely from scratch, which McDonalds did where I grew up.

    Of all the trends that can on, this is one I can get behind. But a brand new building or remodel doesn't mean the tables will always be clean. I don't know what it is about North Carolina, but any time I travel there the places are never clean, even when its not busy. It doesn't matter where I go. They just don't care. I have not traveled the whole state, but I have seen plenty. However, I gotta eat somewhere! I can't just leave every place I see with dirty tables or I might starve down there.

    Anyway, as for the product here, I am more concerned about the other stuff I do not see. Like Cybersox said, where are the bathrooms? Actually, where is the entrance? I think I see where it might be, but we don't have a picture of a door. And it is kind of odd that we don't see a kitchen or prep area or any hint of one. Though I understand that would have been really tough, but I think it would be pretty cool to have a full fast food building with a kitchen in it. That would allow artists to render up stories of people working in these places.

    Yes, I am. They've been remodeling businesses with customer facing footage since I was a boy. I guess while I was overseas for 10 years and not going to restaurants for 10 years since I've been back, they stopped doing that.  

    It's sort of weird in my area where I live, some restaurant chains are truly unstoppable like McDonalds, but almost all other chains have come, failed, and gone. It's a revolving door of pop culture. Even Starbucks failed here and we have 3 other (local) coffee shops and 2 (local) doughnut shops. Starbucks was gone 10 years before they tried again via a Starbucks placed within a local newly built Kroger's so they could depend on the necessity of grocery shopping to get people to venture stopping at a Starbucks. I'm not a coffee person so to me that expensive Starbucks tastes no better than the instant powdered coffee and fake powered cream and (yes real) sugar that the military put in our MREs.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,355
    edited August 2019

    Almost without exception, the McDonalds that I've been in over the last half century have been presentable.  About as clean as one could expect for hosting swarms of children and rushed people every day.yes  However, the most disgusting fast food restaurant I've ever been in was a McDonalds in a bad section of Baltimore.  I felt dirty just walking in, spilled food on many tables & chairs, on floor, on door handles, on counter and windows!  Hookers & johns outside and in.  Fat stinky people milling about sweating and heaving for breath dragging grimy kids in tow.surprisefrown  I visited that area of the city many times (it's where a famous leather bar was)smiley but I never even thought about going back to that McDonalds.  Yet down the street a block was a very nice tiny, individually owned, clean, sit-down restaurant with three tables, tablecloths and tableware that had only a waiter and a cook and served the most wonderful meals for reasonable prices.heart  Baltimore's been in the news lately and yes there are some sketchy areas but there are some wonderful places and people there too.indecision   I've also seen a rat the size of a cat running down Constitution Avenue in front of the Justice Department building along The Mall in Washington, DC which is otherwise clean, tidy and well maintained.surprise 

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  • daveso said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/burger-restaurant

    Have you ever been in a burger place, fastfood restaurant that was as squeaky clean as this one? ?Usually stuff spilled, the tables are a mess, wrappers, crumbs on the floor, greazy looking most of the time.... 

    Where's the dirt? 
     

    Nope, this is what they look like in Europe. Heck, I think I've been in this exact one.

    And if you aren't squeeky clean like this in the EU, you'll get shut down because we like people not dying from food poisening.

  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617
    edited August 2019
    daveso said:
    daveso said:

    next time I'm in one, which is getting rarer, i will take a photo ... it will not look anything like this for sure. In fact, i get excited when i go in one and it is clean..wow, the table are clean, and so is the floor. 

    and you still eat their food with it not being clean??!! I would speed away, very fast!

    builds immunity laugh

    as long as you dont die from food poisoning or something. 

     

    "Though salmonella poisoning is generally not a severe illness, it can be fatal in certain people, including young children and the very old"

     

    Some people never wash their hands : "Traces of faeces have been found on every single McDonald’s touchscreen swabbed in an investigation"

     

    Post edited by Noah LGP on
  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,737
    Cybersox said:
    namffuak said:
    Hylas said:
    This is an unrealistic fantasy setting. It doesn't need sticky floors.

    They only serve maidens in battle bikinis there.

    On topic: Most franchised fast food places I know are reasonably clean... I live in Europe, don't know if this matters.

    Early on, McDonald's had a standing order to all employees whether the store was company owned or a franchise -- if you're not serving a customer or prepping an order, clean. That seems to have gone a bit by the wayside in the past decade or so.

    Being clean was even the focus of a major McDonald's ad campaign back in the 70s, as this hilarious commercial demonstrates - -

     

    I worked at Burger Queen in 1979 and if a burger wasn't sold within 15 minutes of being put in the heat lamp line it was tossed into the trash. In those days I remember reading that for every $20 of food sales a fast food restaurant like McDonald's makes 0.10 cents net profit. To give you an ideal of how thin a profit margin that is, about 15 years later when I was working for Texas Instrument Defense, Texas Instruments sold Texas Instruments Defense to Raytheon Defense because Texas Instruments Defense was only making about 10% net profit off of their contracts (or $2 per $20 sales) 

    Those old numbers aren't exactly right.  The magin on hamburgers was razor thin, as they were sold for half of what the same item would cost in a diner, but the drinks were (and still are) almost pure profit. As for the tossing out food... yeah, McDonald's original model was built around batch processing, where multiple burgers were made at once, all identically, which, combined with a very limited menu, allowed them to serve food incredibly fast during rushes.  The volume that they sold during peaks more than offset the losses due to wastage in the off hours.  That whole model got turned around when Burger King launched the "have it your way" campaign and made special orders a major marketing point. (That's the main reason that McDonald's burgers were fried on a griddle while Burger King's were flame cooked on a conveyor belt, btw, batch versus lipnear assembly.)  It's really hard to emphasize what a huge shift that was in the fast food industry, as prior to that the industry was pretty much operated on a "take what they give you" model, and it made such a cultural ripple that McDonalds was forced to redo their system... but at a great cost to speed.  Fast food used to be REALLY fast.  

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,314
    Noah LGP said:
    daveso said:
    daveso said:

    next time I'm in one, which is getting rarer, i will take a photo ... it will not look anything like this for sure. In fact, i get excited when i go in one and it is clean..wow, the table are clean, and so is the floor. 

    and you still eat their food with it not being clean??!! I would speed away, very fast!

    builds immunity laugh

    as long as you dont die from food poisoning or something. 

     

    "Though salmonella poisoning is generally not a severe illness, it can be fatal in certain people, including young children and the very old"

     

    Some people never wash their hands : "Traces of faeces have been found on every single McDonald’s touchscreen swabbed in an investigation"

     

    But let's be honest.  There's "traces of poop" on everything.  Like your toothbrush.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,206

    Seriously odd stuff happening here

  • mwokeemwokee Posts: 1,275

    The germs are there. Can't you see the germs?

  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617
    edited August 2019

    "One HUGE flaw" is an unfair comment.

    Post edited by Noah LGP on
  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,685

    Here where I'm at the tend to be clean or they wind up on the TV news health report and then after a week get re-reported on to see if they've cleaned up their act They don't last very long if they don't keep the place clean

  • davesodaveso Posts: 8,138
    Noah LGP said:

    "One HUGE flaw" is an unfair comment.

    which one is that?

  • RobinsonRobinson Posts: 751

    These days the rules are pretty strict.  They can be randomly inspected at any time.  My local Maccy-D is spotless.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    Here where I'm at the tend to be clean or they wind up on the TV news health report and then after a week get re-reported on to see if they've cleaned up their act They don't last very long if they don't keep the place clean

    In my area if a restaurant fails a health dept. inspection they publish it in the newspaper and online. It can kill a business quickly if they're an eating establishment and they aren't clean.

    Laurie

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