Burger Restaurant - One HUGE flaw
daveso
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https://www.daz3d.com/burger-restaurant
Have you ever been in a burger place, fastfood restaurant that was as squeaky clean as this one? ?Usually stuff spilled, the tables are a mess, wrappers, crumbs on the floor, greazy looking most of the time....
Where's the dirt?
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I've been in plenty that were this clean, especially outside of the U.S. It generally depends upon the franchise owner, the location and the time of day, with upper end places like Steak Shack usually being the most likely to be squeaky clean and the McDonalds that are inside Walmarts or Gas Stations usually being the worst.
If you browse the store I'm pretty sure there are products for adding mess to surfaces.
Add Grime-inizer to the floor, some muddy footprints, a puddle under a table... it's all fixable :-) I'll admit, the counters look a little odd to me, because fast-food counters up here in Canada seem to mostly be done in laminate, which is more matte (and show the fingerprints and scuffs less).
Retexturing and adding details is the fun part of using a bought set and making it your own!... isn't it?
It is much easier to add mess and grime than remove it in Daz Studio. I am pleased to see the clean surfaces. It would be nice to have alternative messy surface settings or added clutter props, but then the price would probably be proportionately higher. I probably already have sufficient "mess" props to add my own touch.
it would make a great addon package.
I must live in a dirty part of the world or hit them at the wrong time of day or something
Clean and unrealistic are two separate things. I think the textures on this scene (judging by the promo images) seem to lack any kind of wear, i.e., are not just lacking in dirt. It is a big scene, so would be a big job retexturing.
This isn't a problem unique to this scene though. A lot of environments on the daz store have that artificially perfect look to them. I think many PA's don't think it's necessary since people buy the products anyway. Which is why i really appreciate PA's like strangefate who put lots of detail into their props.
They only serve maidens in battle bikinis there.
On topic: Most franchised fast food places I know are reasonably clean... I live in Europe, don't know if this matters.
Good point on lack of wear. It must be Grand Opening.
Around here there is a health code they have to keep up. Maybe it is a new store given the fact it has special spots people can order their food. It does look fancy.
my issue is not how clean but how fancy it is.
There's a couple of great products for this kind of thing:
https://www.daz3d.com/iray-surfaceworx
https://www.daz3d.com/a-touch-of-dirt-for-iray
They are clean like that in Australia too
In the UK we have a nationwide scheme called "scores on the doors" https://www.scoresonthedoors.org.uk/ ; Although this does say it concentrates on the food prep areas it does tend to mean that people expect to see neat clean and tidy service areas as well.
A Touch of Dirt
Iray SurfaceWorx - this looks fantastic btw....
Edit: Doh! Nevermind. Leonides02 beat me to it. LOL
Laurie
Same in France, some countries really care about the health of the consumers...
This product is realistic.
Well, I think I know what the OP means....even when clean, NOTHING that gets used hard is scratchless, stainless or spotless - not even a brand new house ;). It's my biggest gripe about 3D textures. That's why I tend to dirty them up with one of the products Leonides02 mentioned above....makes it look more "real" ;).
Awhile back I was shopping and had the choice between two auto shops here at Daz. I passed the one over and bought the other because the one I got was "filthy" LOL. Typical of what I would expect at an auto repair shop...not shiny surfaces.
Laurie
The ones in downtown San Francisco tend to be cleaned quickly or else they're rendered uninhabitable due to the population of San Francisco being dirty and grimy.
You know what I'm talking about...
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Tech bros and developers!
Axe Body Spray not a replacement for bathing!
:-D
And in our area of Kent the cleanliness of all the fast food joints has improved massively in the last few years, so it really is working.
Fast food places in Singapore are spotlessly clean, because they want it that way. It would seem to be a good idea for a PA to offer a "well worn" version for variety. Kind of like the various West Park texture sets.
next time I'm in one, which is getting rarer, i will take a photo ... it will not look anything like this for sure. In fact, i get excited when i go in one and it is clean..wow, the table are clean, and so is the floor.
Those self-service boards aren't fancy, they're the companies' latest method of attempting to cut costs by reducing the number of employees they have to keep at the front counter at peak times (meaning that they can hire less people overall), as well as reduce wait times since the cooking staff usually outpaces the odering staff by a significant margin. That's also why all of the U.S. fast food companies are now pusing their own phone aps so you can order before you even get to the restaurant.
Actually, it's the norm & expected in any decent restaurant to be squeaky clean, even fast food restaurants. When I worked as a busboy my entire day was premised on keeping the dining room, hallways, and public bathrooms clean. I hardly ever eat out anymore being both poor and vegetarian but when I do the restaurants are clean.
What I do find odd, is the world of 3D models seems to have weird obsession about excessive dirt & decay on their models when it's not realistic in the least with the excessive amounts it's portrayed on the 3D models. There are some places let it go unchecked to a degree but every restaurant, homeowner, city, town, and farm spends actually quite a bit of their time & money actively working against dirt & decay. I'm DIY-ing my house & yard. The prior owner of my house replaced it's ceiling 10 years ago. The local WalMarts within a 50 miles radius of me are retiling their floors, repaving their parking lots, and so on. When trash collection stops you know it pretty quick.
If the restaurants you are eating at aren't clean you should question if you should be eating at them at all as that is a reflection of the cleanliness habits of the workers and a hepatitis A epidemic has spread like wildfire in the western hemisphere.
Besides that, have a 3D model scene of a restaurant with every render having the same burger wrapper laying at the same spot on the floor isn't more realistic at all since it's going to show up in umpteen unrelated renders. A spotlessly clean restaurant that shows up in umpteen unrelated renders is much more plausible.
Early on, McDonald's had a standing order to all employees whether the store was company owned or a franchise -- if you're not serving a customer or prepping an order, clean. That seems to have gone a bit by the wayside in the past decade or so.
I first saw those interactive ordering boards when traveling. They only appeared in my area of the US much later. They are great when you are in a foreign country where language communication can be difficult. Pictures go a long way to helping, and the boards offer several languages.
Ah, you are from Kent.I grew up in Kent as did my sons. We were in North West Kent, a Riverside town (The Thems of course being the river).
LOL. Not in my experience. The fast food places surrounding the Civic Center must be the filthiest I've ever seen or smelled. And while it's not downtown, just last week there was so much vermin swarming the Popeyes on Divisadero that the health department had to shut it down.
By the way, although this is an instant pickup for me as there are far too few usable fast food restaurants in the DAZ/poser world, there ARE three issues that I do have with it,.. four, if you count the lack of a drive through wiindow area, though since this seems to be designed as one of those downtown metro area/open to the air designs, hence the lack of any windows, which that explains that ommission. What I do find lacking, however, are 1.) the fact that whiule it's clearly a burger restaurant, there's no seperate food prep area visible for grills, fryers, etc., and even if one assumes that there's a slot in the wall, the food staging area isn't remotely large enough to handle any kind of traffic or prep without the food stacking up or the emplyees falling over each other, 2.) the lack of even a partial exterior for outside-looking in shots and 3) no Bathrooms!