Burger Restaurant - One HUGE flaw

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  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,324
    mwokee said:

    The germs are there. Can't you see the germs?

    Can't see the germs.  I don't believe in things I can't see.  I have a real problem with electrons.  I'll think positive if I stick my finger in a power outlet.cheeky

    Oops, tried it.surprise  Got zapped really bad!crying  They tell me it's because the holes alternate between positive and negative.  Who knew?frown

    Wrong hole. (That's what... nevermind.)
    One hole alternates, the other is neutral.

     

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 3,037

    This thread gives me many reasons to be very happy to live where I live ^^

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,362
    edited August 2019

    This thread gives me many reasons to be very happy to live where I live ^^

    The US isn't all garbage places and people.  The problem with large countries is that there room for a wide spectrum of people, places and situations. Lots of clean, beautiful and civilized, people & places too.

    Post edited by LeatherGryphon on
  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,362
    Petercat said:
    mwokee said:

    The germs are there. Can't you see the germs?

    Can't see the germs.  I don't believe in things I can't see.  I have a real problem with electrons.  I'll think positive if I stick my finger in a power outlet.cheeky

    Oops, tried it.surprise  Got zapped really bad!crying  They tell me it's because the holes alternate between positive and negative.  Who knew?frown

    Wrong hole. (That's what... nevermind.)
    One hole alternates, the other is neutral.

    So I guess they're wrong or not completely right.  It's all magic!

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,362

    Complaint:  My back slipped out of place again yesterday.  After nearly 3 weeks of relative normalcy I'm back to walking totteringly slowly with cane, trying not to bend a fraction of an inch the wrong way.  Woke up in bed this morning screaming.  Not fun. sad

    Non-complaint: Thinking of all the money I'll be saving by not having a car.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,233

    Complaint:  My back slipped out of place again yesterday.  After nearly 3 weeks of relative normalcy I'm back to walking totteringly slowly with cane, trying not to bend a fraction of an inch the wrong way.  Woke up in bed this morning screaming.  Not fun. sad

    Non-complaint: Thinking of all the money I'll be saving by not having a car.

    devilthink you meant to post in your hotdog thread not the burger joint

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,314
    edited August 2019

    There are a lot more than one flaw with this burger joint.   I can safely say that this was the worst experience with a PA set I've had so far in my young rendering career.

    Nothing is grouped.  If you want to hide or delete anything to reduce memory, you'll be selecting every chair and table one by one.   I think the only thing Burger Restaurant - One HUGE flawthat are even parented are one tray with an ice cream cone and a fryer basket of fries.  Yes, a fryer basket like they use to put the fries in the hot oil to fry.

    You'll really want an RTX Titan with 24 Gb for another thing.  You will really want to delete and hide, because the memory requirements are huge.  I hid everything I could, and reduced textures by a factor of 4 with Scene Optimizer along with stripping normals and after saving and restarting, would still drop to CPU every time I made the slightest change.  I gave up trying to change anything, and once I got my scene sort of posed I hit render and went to bed.  The result is a crappy looking render.

    As far as the "ready to render" bit.  It was set at 100% convergence and 5 quality with environmental light resolution at 1000.  And there were a bunch more settings I had to tweak.

    Also, the walls are set up weird.  I couldn't delete one wall, so I went to set its opacity to 0, only to find that that also made a wall on the other side of the room invisible.

    I'd return it, but I used the purchase to trigger a discount on a bunch of stuff, so it would probably cost me more to return it than I'd get back.  Anyway, at least it wasn't expensive.

    With all the issues, I didn't want to spend any more time on this.  It looks pretty awful, and I don't care.

    Post edited by Chohole on
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,233

    Makes me sort of glad I didn’t buy it as I have the Blue tree one from Rendo already 

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    thourght you were gonna say they forgot the ketsup or the burgers  lol

  • OstadanOstadan Posts: 1,133

    About 30 years ago, a developer was asked why a well-distributed free package was written in C instead of C++, and he said that 'C is the McDonald's hamburger of programming languages.  It might not be all that great, but you can find one everywhere, and you always know what you're going to get.'

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,233

    Makes me sort of glad I didn’t buy it as I have the Blue tree one from Rendo already 

    LOL no I don't I only wishlisted it

    still glad did not buy this one then though 

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 27,228
    edited August 2019
    Sevrin said:

    There are a lot more than one flaw with this burger joint.   I can safely say that this was the worst experience with a PA set I've had so far in my young rendering career.

    Nothing is grouped.  If you want to hide or delete anything to reduce memory, you'll be selecting every chair and table one by one.   I think the only thing that are even parented are one tray with an ice cream cone and a fryer basket of fries.  Yes, a fryer basket like they use to put the fries in the hot oil to fry.

    You'll really want an RTX Titan with 24 Gb for another thing.  You will really want to delete and hide, because the memory requirements are huge.  I hid everything I could, and reduced textures by a factor of 4 with Scene Optimizer along with stripping normals and after saving and restarting, would still drop to CPU every time I made the slightest change.  I gave up trying to change anything, and once I got my scene sort of posed I hit render and went to bed.  The result is a crappy looking render.

    As far as the "ready to render" bit.  It was set at 100% convergence and 5 quality with environmental light resolution at 1000.  And there were a bunch more settings I had to tweak.

    Also, the walls are set up weird.  I couldn't delete one wall, so I went to set its opacity to 0, only to find that that also made a wall on the other side of the room invisible.

    I'd return it, but I used the purchase to trigger a discount on a bunch of stuff, so it would probably cost me more to return it than I'd get back.  Anyway, at least it wasn't expensive.

    With all the issues, I didn't want to spend any more time on this.  It looks pretty awful, and I don't care.

    Thanks for sharing your experience with the product. I did buy it, but haven't tried it yet. Now I have and idea of what ot expect.

    Post edited by barbult on
  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,745

    I bought it but I'm probably mostly going to use it for parts using other buildings as the host, as getting rid of the walls allows me to do things like putting a real kitchen environment behind the counter and add windows that the set can be viewed from from outside.   

    That said, I HAVE been in a number of fast food places that are similar to the dining area of this set, most of which have been located on the ground/first floor of large office buildings in downtown areas or in the underground shopping complexes under those buildings.  Generally these types, which seem most common in Australia and New Zealand, have limited or no windows or doors, just open areas that let out onto the street/main concourse and are shut off by a series of roll down gates.  By comparison, most similar building-based restaurants in the U.S. and Japan tend to retain the glass windows/doors that their stand-alone counterparts have.  Not sure if that's due to different building codes or simply because the regional managers like everyting to look as close to the same as possible.     

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,362

    Complaint:  My back slipped out of place again yesterday.  After nearly 3 weeks of relative normalcy I'm back to walking totteringly slowly with cane, trying not to bend a fraction of an inch the wrong way.  Woke up in bed this morning screaming.  Not fun. sad

    Non-complaint: Thinking of all the money I'll be saving by not having a car.

    devilthink you meant to post in your hotdog thread not the burger joint

    Arghhh... sorry, wrong thread.  Must be the pain pills.  Never mind.  blush

  • jjmainorjjmainor Posts: 499
    Cybersox said:
    jjmainor said:
     

    And the health inspection scores are almost a joke.  They get points for stupid stuff that has little to nothing to do with the condintions in the kitchen, so it's easier than it should be to get a passing score.

    Whereas, in Texas, the news stations make a regular point of reading out the health violations out as a regular feature. Anyone who thinks that there's no such thing as bad publicity hasn't seen a restaurant report that highlights rat droppings, roaches and spoiled food. In Houston we had a famous advocate/newsperson named Marvin Zindler (yes, the very same guy who was portrayed as the 'villain' in the musical  Best Little Whorehouse In Texas) whose constant refrain of "Slime in the ice machine!" became so iconic that it's now part of the general popular culture. 

    WRAL here does the same thing every Friday.  Mostly it's the ethnic places that fail...Chinese and Mexican above all else.  Then the lesser-known chain places come in behind that.  Still, it takes a lot for them to fail, and you can always count on at least one of the places reported to have an employee doing something they shouldn't while the health inspector is there...as if they're not smart enough to pretend they care until the person leaves...

  • jjmainorjjmainor Posts: 499

    Just for the heck of it, I sent this model into Hexagon and it indicated a lot of nonplanar faces.  Is that one of those things that's unimportant when buying or selling models here?  I've created and used a lot of models for personal use with nonplanar faces, so it's not an issue with me, I'm just wondering.

  • jestmartjestmart Posts: 4,449

    Basic geometry; a plane is defined by three and only three points.  A mesh that is made of mostly quads, polygons with four vertices, many of them will be nonplanar.  Only polygons that are extremely nonplanar will cause issues.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 27,228

    Here is my not-as-clean Burger Restaurant render. I used some shaders and decals to add a little grime and mess. I ended up turning down the opacity on some of the grime shaders, so it wasn't too filthy. It fit in my 6 GB graphics card just fine. The "people" are billboards. Products are linked in the gallery.

  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,324
    edited August 2019
    Sevrin said:

    There are a lot more than one flaw with this burger joint.   I can safely say that this was the worst experience with a PA set I've had so far in my young rendering career.

    Nothing is grouped.  If you want to hide or delete anything to reduce memory, you'll be selecting every chair and table one by one.   I think the only thing that are even parented are one tray with an ice cream cone and a fryer basket of fries.  Yes, a fryer basket like they use to put the fries in the hot oil to fry.

    You'll really want an RTX Titan with 24 Gb for another thing.  You will really want to delete and hide, because the memory requirements are huge.  I hid everything I could, and reduced textures by a factor of 4 with Scene Optimizer along with stripping normals and after saving and restarting, would still drop to CPU every time I made the slightest change.  I gave up trying to change anything, and once I got my scene sort of posed I hit render and went to bed.  The result is a crappy looking render.

    As far as the "ready to render" bit.  It was set at 100% convergence and 5 quality with environmental light resolution at 1000.  And there were a bunch more settings I had to tweak.

    Also, the walls are set up weird.  I couldn't delete one wall, so I went to set its opacity to 0, only to find that that also made a wall on the other side of the room invisible.

    I'd return it, but I used the purchase to trigger a discount on a bunch of stuff, so it would probably cost me more to return it than I'd get back.  Anyway, at least it wasn't expensive.

    With all the issues, I didn't want to spend any more time on this.  It looks pretty awful, and I don't care.

    Sent you a message.

    Post edited by Chohole on
  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    daveso said:

    next time I'm in one, which is getting rarer, i will take a photo ... it will not look anything like this for sure. In fact, i get excited when i go in one and it is clean..wow, the table are clean, and so is the floor. 

    I got dragged into one on a night out; i refused to buy anything as it was beyond filthy.

  • To counteract all the grime stories: 

    While in college I worked at a Burger King along an interstate. At this time, there was a US Naval Training center fairly close by, so among the many buses we got, were those carrying only Navy recruits. Navy paid up to $x for each of their people, who paid any extra. The stipend was enough to get a lot of food and we'd have a lobby full of customers, which with any other group meant a BIG mess. But before the Navy buses left, the NCOs made sure that dining room was sparkling clean, or better--floors, tables, chairs, plus the trash cans were full, with all the waste put inside properly. Those full cans were the only clue we'd just had a crowd. I am surprised they didn't ask to use the mop and bucket, or have the recruits take the full bags to the dumpster. I have been in even 4 star restaurants where the customers are way messier.

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