Girls, girls...girls
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Girls, girls --- girls. That is the preponderance of content in the shop continuously.
Mostly, I do video production. That means...since I am a man I have to get women actors voices if I use those content items.
I use women sparingly in my work for that reason.
It is not very well accepted to use Synthesized or computer generated voices, even though the characters are animated.
Something about the way Hollywood has always used real human voices for animated films makes viewers uneasy when they don't hear for-real voices.
Yes, I know Hollywood promotes the real actors voices with their animated features...which probably the reason for it.
Anyway, for months the shop promotions are of girls, girls and more girls.
I would really appreciate to see more a variety of content items.
All it would take is an additonal promo box or two each day.
Flash sales are good too, because they usually pick up on content from PA.
Maybe, gamers are the market for Daz3d content and they want more of the almost naked girls.
Anyway, no biggy... I just don't buy the girls.
I did finally buy a Victoria 7, but is was a super deal. I thought it might be able to use the content in some closeups.
I like the quality of Daz3d shop items better than others
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Really? In the last few months we've had Ivan and all his characters, Kimo and all his characters, Lee and all his characters, The Guy, Gianni, and Leo. Just to mention a few. Each have had a big promotion. Just sayin'
That's pretty new. I am not yet sure this is gonna be a continuous trend.
It really doesn't matter to me what daz3d does. I have been watching for some content to use in wasteland/apocalyptic scenes. Half naked women are not exactly combat ready... LOL
I'm not in this to argue. Let Daz3d draw their own conclusions. I said what I think.
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/
Just scroll the top promotions bar left to right for today...7/5. Look at the content below the bar as well.
We are inundated by promotions of almost naked women content items in the shop.
To be honest, I don't know who buys all the girls... or how they use them.
I don't really care how people use them it just seems there are more than enough women ---- over the top to me.
Go back to the onset of CD based video games when developers used other employees to deliver live audio. The results could be horrifying.
A notable exception would be the late Dana Plato's contribution to "Night Trap". Recollection of which was probably triggered by Timmins post above.
I do agree, we could use more guy stuff.
Strat: Nah, it's Mrs. Garrett from The Facts of Life who famously said 'Girls, girls, GIRLS!' to her charges.
Ah, me with the timely 80s references.
I hear ya. And so do a lot of others in the DAZ community.
Last summer, a thread was started with "sex discrimination" in the title. The OP was opining on the relative lack of male characters, clothing, hair, etc. The title of the thread was renamed "It's not raining men" by one of the mods and it took off from there. Now there is a thread on creating content for males, and another for showcasing male-dominated renders. There was a contest the last six weeks of 2015 entitled "It's Raining Men" and many of us asked to have that be an annual thing, (fingers crossed.)
While products specifically for females continue to dominate the store, I do believe our campaign for more and better male oriented products has been heard, and we are seeing a bigger selection for the guys. To see the trend continue and/or expand, we, the customers, need to support the PAs. (It's hard to fault a PA making a living with 3D content creation for spending their time on products that sell and not bothering with stuff that doesn't.)
I'm pretty sure it will continue as long as we, the customers, continue to buy the male figures. Same with the clothes. No for-profit company in any industry is going to produce products they can't sell. It's up to us to prove male content is viable. (Woe to my poor wallet! lol)
L'Adair: The tricky thing is fighting confirmation bias. 'Everyone knows' male content doesn't sell, so when some PA makes a shirt or whatever that people don't like/don't need/seems overpriced, the PA concludes 'well, nuts to you guys, male content doesn't sell, see??'
Man, I saw the title of the thread opened this hoping for Motley Crue video link, what a bummer, LOL.
I've had that song stuck in my head since I saw the thread title. lol
Hi not going to wade into to the whole "too much skimpwear in the store" Debate ....Im just too busy
But I do recommend trying this software
for male to female voice changing:
http://screamingbee.com/Product/MorphVOX.aspx
I am using it for my animated film work it does more that just pitch
changing
Here is a clip with both actors voiced by one man
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2TYEp536iB8QU5qb0Z0NW9vaWc
Hope this helps.
LOL... same!
I tried the Morphbox a while back. It would not make my voice sound female.
The developer refunded my money.
I recruit girls/ladies as actors for best results.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mLH-6Cz0nQ
Whilst clearly a majority of the content available here is for females, DAZ does a much better job than most other stores where the female to male ratio is often around 10 to 1.
I don't get it. If male content supposedly don't sell, how come the male pro-bundles are consistently in the 'what's hot' banner? M7 is still there..
There is more female content, but there is a ton of male content! In addition to all the existing males, you can get the male morph kits to make your own and use Iray G3 kits to make different skin tones. You can have them wear clothes and hair from generation 3 up (M3, D3). It's easy to kit bash, use eyes from one character, skin from another, do your own morphs or mix Leo with Michael, etc... There are beards and mustaches you can use,,, I can't find anything lacking!
Well, that's exactly why I buy nearly all male stuff sold in this store.. and elsewhere.
Personally a lot of older generation content for men doesn't cut it for me even with morphs and adjustments it looks dated. With the advent of Iray render engine I crave more realism in my clothing for men.
I've found myself a touch frustrated with the quality of content lately made for men.I've bought a number of suits and the shirts collars and ties are very flat and odd looking. They also look quite tight and not loose like suits should fit. There is usually clipping and sometimes pockets and zippers are missing.
The pelvic regions of some outfits look off or don't allow for bulge morph. I've bought several outfits which look designed for women because they don't allow for any room for male genitalia at all.
I do buy a lot of the men's non-fantasy content. but if it doesn't sell sometimes there is a reason.
I completely agree. Sometimes I buy female clothes that will deform better on males than some products specifically sold for males.While we would love to have more male content, for the most part this is market driven. As some others in the thread have pointed out, Daz iteself is actually releasing more male characters (and more diversity in them) than ever before. But, it's up to the PA's as to what content they want to make to then sell to support characters. And, since those content creators need to eat, they will develop the types of content that sells.
The truth of the matter is that people simply don't buy nearly the same amount of content for males as they do females. I'm sure a lot of people assume when I say "female" that what I mean is "skimpwear". But that's not actually true. High quality, realisitc female clothing for a variety of genre's from sci-fi and fantasy to contemporary sell well.
So, the real fix to more male content is more male buyers. Even in the Galleries a small percentage of images posted contain males.
you guys don't make skimpwear, I occasionally do with Blender but your PA's make some classy stuff so I make that distinction, I think others do as well.
DAZ doesn't really advertise the men's stuff enough. They have an instagram account which uses images from the galleries, and most of the time whomever selects the images, usually selects a female image. Usually a young and pretty girl. I'm sure they are top rated images, but some of the male images are also well done. The gallery has lots of male art. Why not showcase more men and try to broaden the outreach of the base clientelle?
All right there might be men characters and a handfull of outfits for them, and Ivan was a wonderful surprise. Versatile and with an interesting wardrobe. But between the male characters the release of mail clothes dry up more or less completely. We keep getting all kinds of female outfits but nothing for the men. I mean things like Umbris and Evil Shadow might as well have male counterparts. And I'd love to have more robotic/cybernetic inspired stuff too. I'm working on a thingie with Ivan with a cyborg arm and the arm belongs to V6, so it takes a bit of tinkering to make it look good. But spines and legs and implants and things would be awesome to have.
There was an Egypt bundle for V7 way back, I'm still waiting for the one for M7.
Kind of a self-fulfilling cycle, isn't it? The majority of the advertising is women, so it brings in a certain customer; the majority of products are aimed at said customer; customer posts to gallery.
Not saying, exactly, that its an intended cycle. But its kind of hard to miss.
Open up the advertisting, at least. DAZ can afford to put some ads out there that are NOT scantily clad, buxom females. I'd happily host some beefcake featuring ads on my site.
I get really tired of trying to explain this, but let's give it one more go.
My experience with male clothing content has been that when it's good, it's very very good (I compiled my top 20 recently for my dA journal, three were male clothing products) but when it's bad OWIE thud.
The thing is that if it's male it better be a full coverage robe/suit/barbarian outfit, there's no male equivalent to the one-off bra/panty combo or bikini or minidress, the smaller easier-to-rig female set that makes up a solid chunk of female outfits. If you want to sell a single pair of male shoes they better be the most elaborate, realistic mesh/texture combo imaginable, they better be like Streetwear's tennis shoe set. To sell male underwear it has to be a four-pack or like that. So you're looking at a bigger commitment and risk no matter what because you HAVE to make a bigger set for males. That's tough.
So unsurprisingly, you get some bigger male sets, some bigger female sets, and a LOT of smaller female sets.
I think I said this once before, but I will say it again here; at what point in the post apcalyptic scenario are we talking about? I don't expect fully covered anyone after about the middle of the second decade after such a scenario. For the first few years, I suspect most of the same clothing that you find in use in normal scenes would work fine for it.
LOL - cover up the nipples and genitalia, then you got yourself a warlord woman.
Give her some gorgeous red hair, some knee high boots, a gun on her hip, a sword or axe in her hand, and she is off to the apocalypse.
http://www.daz3d.com/fantasy-barbarian-outfit-for-genesis-3-female-s
http://www.daz3d.com/blood-red-outfit-for-genesis-3-female-s
She jumps barbed wire and war trash with a single bound. When fired on by RPG or other messy weapon she never messes her britches.(cause she doesn't wear any)
I do appreciate there are a small minority of dressed character women that will work in apocalyptic scenarios. I do own a few of those ragamuffin girls. (not gorgeous)
...yeah I have the same issue with my teen characters as well. They'd have have their parents called to come to the school to pick up and take their daughters home if they wore some of the stuff I see.
If he's running a realistic post-nuclear scenario, cold or jungle (or cold temperate rainforest) is a much more likely result than desert because not only do plants recover very quickly from nuclear fallout, they grow riotously afterward. Mad Max is set in a desert because it's set in that part of Australia, and people picked that up without picking up the cause and just assumed nukes cause desertification. Nuclear winter might cause less plant growth, but not enough to do that any more than volcanic winter has.
Indigenous jungle people do tend to wear less clothing, but Native Americans and Native Asians from colder areas wear a lot of clothes. In an actual desert, like in the Middle East, people wear total coverage for sun protection. There are indigenous Africans who have worn less, but they have historically been fewer, and only very dark-skinned people who can better endure the sun.
The scenario where you get a lot of scantily-clad white people running around a desert is by far the least likely. It's popular for reasons unrelated to realism.