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I would love to see more attention paid to shirt collars and ties. I've bought 3 suits lately that are unusable because the collars are really not very realistic and lie flat like a pancake.
And the collar needs to unbutton as well. That would be very helpful.
I have, so I believe DAZ_Steve when he says that DAZ has been trying to give equal treatment to the male figures. We need to put pressure on the advertising agencies that run the ad server networks to break the bias that they have established.
http://www.daz3d.com/a-gentleman-s-wardrobe
This is in Fast Grab; I don't have it so can't offer an opinion, but it does look good.
Gentleman's wardrobe is nice, for a long time it was the only suit I had. It's reasonably adjustable, and I think it has some sensible settings to layer jacket and outfit.
Supersuit was awesome, though it had a learning curve when it came to all the mat zones, and some kinks in the beginning, but I ended up using it a lot. Too bad there wasn't a conterpart for later generations.
I also don't understrand why we aren't getting more combos, fi this one http://www.daz3d.com/lieutenant-synergy-outfit-for-genesis-3-female-s could be awesome as a male counterpart too. This outfit could be next to perfect for sci-fi adventures, only those damn boots ruin it.
http://www.daz3d.com/umbris-outfit-for-genesis-3-female-s This is another example of what could as well work for the mens.
I also hope to one day see this one in the store:
I have no idea about these two, but in the past we have had one or two items that came with his 'n' hers versions in the Pro packs for matching figures - the EXO suits for example - so it may be worth waiting to see if the Aiko-7-male-counterpart has male versions of one or both of those (again, I have absolutely no idea whether it will or not).
Hahahahahah, oh wow, that's hilarious.
... And that's not getting into stores like Renderosity, either.
For serious, I guess if Daz really was getting serious about trying to promote more male content, they could try doing some marketing towards the gay male crowd. It doesn't have to be rainbows and Pride parade-esque stuff, just more things like male/male couples poses, or runway Fashion Week-styled clothes. Show them that Daz acknowledges their existence and that they don't have to be stuck to the Renderotica cornfield with all the explicit stuff, yanno? A little bit could go a long way in that regard, and maybe it would bring us a few new PAs who make male-exclusive stuff. But that's just me.
Otherwise, I'm going to teach myself how to make stuff in Blender, because if you want something done... XV
I use far more female than male; the males stay the same basically.
I'm not arguing about the availability or relative quantities; for me there is too much male stuff.
This thread suggests its about girls, yet isn't; so thought I'd post my pov.
... And Blender is awesome.
There used to be a pretty vibrant community in the shadows, with some public vendors; most of them are gone along with the stores that supported them. Though we do still have a pretty prominent few here, though they don't politicize themselves and I won't name names (other than me, of course; out and proud and not going back).
Oh... and "Runway Fashion" doesn't say anything to this gay male. What you should have said is: 'it doesn't have to be stereotypes.' Unless, of course, those stereotypes include lots more men in uniform, that's a stereotype I embrace.
Yeah, I phrased that the totally wrong way. Ack... My sincerest apologies. I got no excuse for that one (except early morning fogbank-induced ignorance). D;
Nicstt: To be fair, it's always going to feel like there's "more" of items/types of things you (general 'you') don't use, regardless of what the actual numbers/statisitcal facts state: like for me, I think there's too much fantasy stuff out there, but that's (probably) because I don't use or do anything related to the fantasy genre: I'm a sci-fi kind of person. But I'm pretty sure if you added up the numbers from all the big vendor sites and even going down to the freebie level on ShareCG, there'd more than likely be way more sci-fi stuff compared to fantasy items, yet I'd still feel like there's less aliens and more Tolkien-esque elves, lmao. So I kinda get where you're coming from, and I apologize for being way too sarcastic initially.
No, there IS a ton of fantasy stuff out there. I don't think it is an illusion. Since I don't render it or use it, I pass on most of it. I also generally pass on women's content, since I still have plenty I haven't used, and it all looks the same to me after a whiile and my last female purchases haven't met my standard. In general female content and illustration seems really well represented here at DAZ which is one of the reasons I'm not as into it. I don't like to do the same stuff everyone else does. I get bored doing the same stuff others do.
I think a more hunky guy base would be appealing to me. Something in the style of Greg Fox's illustrations. I think the dudes at DAZ could be more solidly built and ripped for me. Scrawny is not at all to my tastes. Thicker dudes would be interesting.
I like Umbris outfit. Coudl be really useful for the men. Don't care for that really big hexagon texture. That looks odd to me and unrealistic.
Bigger dudes also need fitting wardrobes. I don't like the skin-tight painted on look, and if a guy looks ripped and his clothing look ill-fitting that is not appealing. Big guys need clothing that fits.
One thing a lot of vendrors have been doing lately with their male characters is giving them thin eyebrows that are high and arched. I really like straight regular eyebrows that don't look that er.. Dramatic. Brows like Gianni base. The high arched brows aren't that common on real world men and give the characters an angry overly tweezed look I don't like. I'm wondering if a similar brow resource is getting used that is producing that repeat look but I'm hoping for the day I can remove those brows and replace them with something less angry. I prefer to add expression myself to characters so more neutral eyebrows are preferred by me.
I'm kind of hoping he isn't stylized or anime personally. I don't really use toons.
Of course, which was why I said I tend to keep quiet; the name of this thread is misleading, which was why I visited. The elipse (the three full stops, or periods) suggested something, but was really indeterminate.
When we're looking for what we want, we tend to notice 'all' that there is of what we don't want.
Already there is far more stuff related to my interests and requirements than I need, but that doesn't stop me wanting more; if for no other reason than looking at stuff I'm interested in is far more - well interesting - than items I'm not.
I particularly loathe high heels on anything other than formal/party-wear; so I really notice them any time the appear.
A case in point: http://www.daz3d.com/07-15-shoe-topia I was not at all surprised to see all the female shoes are heels other than the ballet shoes; I'm just surprised there have never been ballet shoes in the Daz store with heals. No less practical than a ninja wearing 'em. :)
All there is to do now, is to decide if the I'm buying the Mary Janes or not. (As an aside: mum (who mostly hates heels) is complaining about how difficult it is to get decent flat shoes for comfort wearing.)
Well thanks to those vendors making quality clothes for guys. And yes more collared shirts and ties to dress my salespeople in!
Would like to see DAZ advertise some of these killer male demos and art!
Actually, for Genesis 2 I'm surprised, 2.5ish times for females is not as lopsided as I thought it would be. There's still over 1000 products for the guys there.
I like the girls as much as the next guy. Can't use them in my work, because I'm a guy doing videos. Girls voices are hard to acquire, so I just use guys.
I have never found a voice morph tool that could make my voice - sound like the golden lire of a beautiful woman.
Regardless, every day more of the same (Girls, Girls, Girls) except yesterday we had a prissy looking teenage boy in the shop Kenji or something like that.
Maybe this will perk you up or remind you have had enough girls, girls..girls. LOL . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMpL6JKF5Wwn
Repeating exactly what you said at the beginning of this thread and then posting a link to a video to promote yourself... does not do all the folks who responded to this thread justice. It makes them think you are just trolling for attention to you.
Do you have something to add to this discussion, Rampart?
Not exactly... the purpose of the thread was to focus on the fact we are inundated with half naked beautiful women in the shop constantly.
I really don't understand the practice, where sooo many half naked women can be used.
I was hoping the thread might inspire some interest by Daz3d to offer broader variety of sales content in the shop more often.
It was not my intent for a girl vs boy thing to grow out of it. Merely pointing out the exorbiatant amount of women continue to constantly dominate the shop.
The revealing skin will never go away ( I hope ).
That has nothing to do with the mention of only able to do voice overs of males in videos though.
Genesis 1,2 ans 3 have a lot of fully covering clothes though. I would say a lot more than before.
Examples...
http://www.daz3d.com/gothic-lolita-for-genesis-3-female-s
http://www.daz3d.com/umbris-outfit-for-genesis-3-female-s
http://www.daz3d.com/secret-agent-outfit-for-genesis-3-female-s
http://www.daz3d.com/jolina-dress-for-genesis-3-female-s
http://www.daz3d.com/blazer-and-flare-skirt-for-genesis-3-female-s
http://www.daz3d.com/h-c-fit-flare-dress-for-genesis-3-female-s
http://www.daz3d.com/h-c-school-sportswear-b-for-genesis-3-female-s
http://www.daz3d.com/loose-sweater-dress-for-genesis-3-female-s
http://www.daz3d.com/h-c-tight-sportswear-set-for-genesis-3-female-s
http://www.daz3d.com/9-to-5-outfit-for-genesis-3-female-s
http://www.daz3d.com/army-uniform-for-genesis-3-female-s-and-genesis-2-female-s
This is just in the past few weeks.
I think now more than ever vendors and DAZ itself has listened to these forums... and have gone out of their way to cater to us... even though sales go for the risque stuff. And they've even catered more to male stuff. No one can really complain about the variety of content being sold in the stores these days.
It's always been up to 3rd parties to make male bulges, female parts and 'erogenous' zone 'touch-ups' since the very beginning as well.. so no one should complain about that here in this store either.
The variety and kickass quality of clothes sold here for males and females is mindboggling. And I bitch a lot too. So, please believe me... the content being sold here TODAY is completely badass and appeals to every buyer.
yes its a pity its all genesis 3
They support Vicki3 with Genesis 1 and Dimension3d's GenX platform. VICKI3 !! From what?... 2003?
And she can wear these clothes...
http://www.daz3d.com/casual-jeans-and-t-shirt-for-genesis-2-female-s
http://www.daz3d.com/the-jogger
http://www.daz3d.com/football-uniform
You silly... you could find it all yourself here:
http://www.daz3d.com/clothing-and-accessories-everyday-genesis
If you wanted to... instead of wanting to just argue instead.
You couldn't find female voice overs? Really? What was your complaint about again?
Ahh... Rampart deleted their response. I've done that. No harm, no foul.
I feel like I am following Serene Night around the forums this week about the whole manly man thing lol. Almost all of the gen3 males looks too, I don't know what the word is, but not as rough and masculine as I prefer. And while the autofit does a good job for the couple that I have found that work for me, a more natural fit in clothing for a large muscular male would be awesome. I think my poor guys have 4 total outfits between them in the gen 3 line. I tend to not only kit bash but use my Gen2male clothing a lot. Which I also don't really have a lot of since I don't do modern clothes much. And for some reason, male clothing seems to be more expensive and not on sale as much as the girls clothing (given the discrepency in how much is available I understand its probably a numbers thing but I have to buy what I can afford) and the same is true of the male hair. its never on sale for as low as some of the womens hair is. I do cross gender the hair all the time and cross gender the clothing as well as often as possible and the hair at least has greatly benefited from the slosh's hair shaders (uht2 and the original and there are a couple more I can't for the life of me think of the name of by another vendor) which at least have made it more viable to use across generations. I want to support more male items (even though most of what I render is woman, part of it is a lack of what I am looking for in male items and how much money I have to attain said items.) And some of it just isn't as well done as the female clothing. Not as many options as some of the female clothing has etc etc. I know I am repeating what several other people have said but its true for my purchasing habits as well.
You might want to re-read the thread starter post, which explains.
Ha just got a facebook ad on DazStudio and there were two males features and one woman. One fantasy type dark elf guy and a ranger guy. First time I have seen a male in a facebook ad (I get them numerous times a day because I obviously spend far too much time here lol)
I buy more male figures, or rather male textures, but it's mostly because they have a much, much wider range of hair distribution patterns and let's say, nicely, skin problems, that are deemed unacceptable to represent on a woman.
For woman, it's basically you buy one representaive figure and you are pretty much set because they all have that same unblemished tan look, one could even say tropical native look given the way iRay renders with the DAZ Store textures. Really you have just hair styles to buy.
For both though, there is a paucity of very light textures with basic common tones that actually are light and actually render light in iRay. If would actually be nice to have a wider ranger of male and female textures from the very light pink white of some places to the very dark blue black of some places and the many varients inbetween but I understand California girls sell best so it's not a big problem. Well for me. I can imagine if you have a dream of making a game or animation or render of a certain type of person and not the talent or budget to hire an individual profressional that could actually do a good job with that it might be frustrating for you. Since DAZ 3D has decided to get into supplying the hobby game makers of the world you will see a better balance between men & woman; with even maybe the number of supplied men, at least texture wise and body morph wise, outnumbering the supplied women for the first time, owing to that old complaint of some women they must meet certain thresholds of beauty that men don't have to worry about.
As far as the clothes go, I wound up buying a boat load of male & female clothing from the M4/V4 days due to both price considerations and variety considerations. Despite the higher polygon count they actually don't look better than a good set of G3 clothing when you can find the style you are after.
DAZ and the PA must of learned long ago that products that aren't nearly naked in their ad copy don't sell nearly as well and if you make a clothing set if it's not some type of horror theme, whether that be the old golem and vampire horror or the new end of the universe sci-fi horror, it doesn't sell well, so given that I enjoy playing with DAZ as a hobby from time to time during the year I am not going to argue with their experience. It ultimately saves me money that I don't want any of those products.I can't really expect the DAZ Studio and PAs with over 200 countries and at one time about 7000 languages and language dialects, that they are going to research all that and start producing realistic products on all those people. I've very happy when I see major subgroups done realistically like the polynesians recently and rugby kits.
Actually you can make any kind of skin color you can imagine with the skin builder for G2F. Nothing for the males yet, but we have been hinting that something for the guys would be great. I know they are currently working on the skin builder for G3F and will be done with that soon.
Yes, that updated and enhanced from the G2F version for Genesis 3 for male & female would be nice, better iRay textures, a wider variety of base textures (you can't fake the pink-white texture by simple washing out a darker texture and you can't fake the blue-black texture but simply darkening a texture - there are basic differences in biology them give them those differences).