There's Always Another Sale Thread -- Discussions Only Pt 6

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,745

    Torquinox said:

    barbult said:

    Torquinox said:

    jmucchiello 

    Every G9 figure you own slows down every figure you load into Daz.

    AFAIK I have not detected this. Please elaborate

    It is because every figure you install has associated morphs. When Daz Studio loads a character, EVERY morph of that generation of character is loaded at that time, so Daz Studio can resolve dependencies. 

    So, I should probably get rid of the character morphs I will never use, right? Ok. But the slowdown only affects the specific generation, so G9 stuff only affects G9, G8 -> G8, etc?

    Alternatively, there's also a set of "Turbo Booster" utilities made by RIversoft Art that that allow you to only load specific morphs when loading a figure.  There are boosters for Genesis 1 and 2, one for Genesis 3, a combined set for G8 and G8.1, and the Genesis 9 version is here https://www.daz3d.com/turbo-loader-for-genesis-9  There's also a utilities set that adds additional abilities here https://www.daz3d.com/turbo-loader-booster-utilities  Note - I have no idea if these work with DS6.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 110,872

    barbult said:

    Torquinox said:

    jmucchiello 

    Every G9 figure you own slows down every figure you load into Daz.

    AFAIK I have not detected this. Please elaborate

    It is because every figure you install has associated morphs. When Daz Studio loads a character, EVERY morph of that generation of character is loaded at that time, so Daz Studio can resolve dependencies. 

    It's actually hooking up the dependencies that causes much of the slow down. Proeprties that didn't liink to others would have much less impact, as I understand it.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,754

    I have only this to say about all of it: I really love playing with my huge collection of morphs and figures. I use them to make custom figures. There are only a small handful of shapes I'm aching to get rid of. Even those are what I consider unappealing head morphs, and even they can be modified to look more appealing to me. Even so, let's say I wanted to surgically remove a morph. How would I even do that?

  • NorthOf45NorthOf45 Posts: 5,838
    edited June 17

    Torquinox said:

    I have only this to say about all of it: I really love playing with my huge collection of morphs and figures. I use them to make custom figures. There are only a small handful of shapes I'm aching to get rid of. Even those are what I consider unappealing head morphs, and even they can be modified to look more appealing to me. Even so, let's say I wanted to surgically remove a morph. How would I even do that?

    Are you familiar with Turbo Loader for Genesis 9? It can do precisely what you want. There are also versions for G1/G2, G3 G8/G8.1

    ETA: I see it has already been mentioned. This thread is changing too fast...

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  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,754

    NorthOf45 said:

    Torquinox said:

    I have only this to say about all of it: I really love playing with my huge collection of morphs and figures. I use them to make custom figures. There are only a small handful of shapes I'm aching to get rid of. Even those are what I consider unappealing head morphs, and even they can be modified to look more appealing to me. Even so, let's say I wanted to surgically remove a morph. How would I even do that?

    Are you familiar with Turbo Loader for Genesis 9? It can do precisely what you want. There are also versions for G1/G2, G3 G8/G8.1

    That's two votes for Turbo Loader - You and @Cybersox. Thank you to you both, and I'll look into it.  

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,754

    Cybersox said:

    Alternatively, there's also a set of "Turbo Booster" utilities made by RIversoft Art that that allow you to only load specific morphs when loading a figure.  There are boosters for Genesis 1 and 2, one for Genesis 3, a combined set for G8 and G8.1, and the Genesis 9 version is here https://www.daz3d.com/turbo-loader-for-genesis-9  There's also a utilities set that adds additional abilities here https://www.daz3d.com/turbo-loader-booster-utilities  Note - I have no idea if these work with DS6.

    Thanks. I suspect the G9 version will make the jump to DS6 eventually, but no idea about earlier versions. That will be up to the PA. .  

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 3,765

    Torquinox said:

    NorthOf45 said:

    Torquinox said:

    I have only this to say about all of it: I really love playing with my huge collection of morphs and figures. I use them to make custom figures. There are only a small handful of shapes I'm aching to get rid of. Even those are what I consider unappealing head morphs, and even they can be modified to look more appealing to me. Even so, let's say I wanted to surgically remove a morph. How would I even do that?

    Are you familiar with Turbo Loader for Genesis 9? It can do precisely what you want. There are also versions for G1/G2, G3 G8/G8.1

    That's two votes for Turbo Loader - You and @Cybersox. Thank you to you both, and I'll look into it.  

    Also WL'ed it based on the recs. Thanks to those who suggested it! 

  • davesodaveso Posts: 8,140

    it seems weird a program would load all that stuff when in most cases you wont, or dont, even need or use them. Why cant I think to myslef, I would love to morph this head, and then load the need morphs? 

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,745

    daveso said:

    it seems weird a program would load all that stuff when in most cases you wont, or dont, even need or use them. Why cant I think to myslef, I would love to morph this head, and then load the need morphs? 

    Because that would negate the ability to easily dial-spin at a whim, which is one of the key selling points of Genesis.  What you describe is basically how V4 and previous generations worked, and it was nowhere near as efficent or effortless.  Remember, you're not just adding a morph-shape, but also the required JCMs, etc., so you'd have to load all that and then unload them if you didn't like the result.  An ideal option would be to be able to lock a finalized figure down so that it could be reloaded without having to call up all the extra-morphs each time, thereby speeding up reloading of saved characters (and possibly getting around some of issues with the duplicate naming.)  

  • jmucchiellojmucchiello Posts: 1,753
    edited June 17

    Cybersox said:

    daveso said:

    it seems weird a program would load all that stuff when in most cases you wont, or dont, even need or use them. Why cant I think to myslef, I would love to morph this head, and then load the need morphs? 

    Because that would negate the ability to easily dial-spin at a whim, which is one of the key selling points of Genesis.  What you describe is basically how V4 and previous generations worked, and it was nowhere near as efficent or effortless.  Remember, you're not just adding a morph-shape, but also the required JCMs, etc., so you'd have to load all that and then unload them if you didn't like the result.  An ideal option would be to be able to lock a finalized figure down so that it could be reloaded without having to call up all the extra-morphs each time, thereby speeding up reloading of saved characters (and possibly getting around some of issues with the duplicate naming.)  

    This is also why Turbo Loader isn't really a great solution. If you are constantly creating new figures, you need everything loaded so you can do that twiddling. And changing configurations in TL isn't instant. It can take 10-15 minutes. I never used V4 but I'd like to think computers are faster now. And maybe there are better ways to do lazy loading. Heuristics that say "the user hasn't loaded the demon figure morphs onto a figure in 3 years, maybe delay loading them." That kind of thing. You could even tune the heuristics with configurations "always load these. delay load these if unused for 3 months. Etc."

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,745

    jmucchiello said:

     

    This is also why Turbo Loader isn't really a great solution. If you are constantly creating new figures, you need everything loaded so you can do that twiddling. And changing configurations in TL isn't instant. It can take 10-15 minutes. I never used V4 but I'd like to think computers are faster now. And maybe there are better ways to do lazy loading. Heuristics that say "the user hasn't loaded the demon figure morphs onto a figure in 3 years, maybe delay loading them." That kind of thing. You could even tune the heuristics with configurations "always load these. delay load these if unused for 3 months. Etc."

    I would imagine that this really depends on your workflow and how often you use specific assets and character builds.  In my own case I have a hundreds of characters that I've dialed up for specific projects over the years, all of which are saved off in a variety of formats and presets that I can up those specific combinations of characters/hair/geo-graftsd/clothing/props/etc up again whenever I need them again. That said, I'm sure that others may roll up a character for a render or just load a commercially made character as-is and never need it to use it again, in which case it's probably not a real matter for concern on their part.  And yes, it's entirely possible that there may be a better way to address these issues than what TL does, but as far as I know, niether DAZ nor any PA that I'm aware of has actually produced it.  

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 3,765

    Feeling a little salty that the OUTLETTING coupon code only works if you got one of the FBX characters with the freebie code, but not one of the DUF versions. If it was just a straight buy-in, I could understand it (maybe) but... I'm being penalized for not taking a free thing I had no use for?

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,314

    ...yeah, if it is something i have no interest in or would ever use (even if it is "free") I don't bother.

    Meanwhile I'm in shock as there is another environment set in the DazDealz today.  That is two items in the last three days.

    Maybe "de-greasing" the wheel did something.

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 5,972

    I already had a coupon code GREAT-OUTDOORS in my cart for a wishlist item, so I would not give that up for old items anyways. I found that if there were new items I wanted but expensive, I wishlisted them, bought them another day when the prices dropped and used the coupon code for more discounts. Or as has happened this week, not bought anything a few days. Those FBX things were a turn-off. I have found that anytime DAZ floods the sale page with one specific type of item, even if I like it, I get turned off from buying anything. Guess I am weird.

  • DasTriDasTri Posts: 214

    but... I'm being penalized for not taking a free thing I had no use for?

    Yes. Tough luck :-/

    Reminds of some freebies they offered last year, when they had a texture addon that you could not use without the main item, so I waived the gift. Next day the main item was there for free. :-/

     

     

     

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,231

    nup, just being punished for not thinking to buy it for free and hide it in DIM

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,575

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    nup, just being punished for not thinking to buy it for free and hide it in DIM

    You wouldn't even need to hide it in DIM because the fbx version is only manual download. 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,231

    Charlie Judge said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    nup, just being punished for not thinking to buy it for free and hide it in DIM

    You wouldn't even need to hide it in DIM because the fbx version is only manual download. 

    that's right, I was thinking of the G9 character I picked up at the same time that overloads the users figure with unwanted morphs  

  • I wanted to say something and there's no need to start a new thread for it. Think it fits in this thread.

    I am NOT buying a giftcard unless a giftcard sale comes on. I used to buy those even w no sale. Recent offer makes me fear that the days of gift card sales without having to buy stuff for it are gone.

    And if they are so am I. I have a few dollars left only of my store credit. NOT buying directly, not safe.

    So no giftcard sale no more cash from me. Just saying, No action needed. Just a head up - want my money - give me a gift card sale.
    Buying stuff I DON'T WANT, nothing wrong with them of course but not my cup of tea, and stuff I CAN SO EASILY live without to get a discount on a giftcard makes no senśe to me.

    It also seams to me that a downgrade in quality stuff is going on in the store. NO diss meant, I have the greatest respect for those that can make 3d stuff to saleheart. But still - I see less hd stuff.

    So only buying a gift card - I usually buy 100 or 200 dollar ones, if I see a NO BUY necessary sale. 

    And I want an Ai USE or NOT in making the models or promos STAMP on the store stuff like they  have started w in the other store. The store w no gift cards sales but they never had any, so not a big deal. And they have more quality stuff and that stamp. SO I can buy feeling safe that I am NOT supporting that, sorry, crap.

    Sorry for long post, sorry to complain, sorry if I offended anyonebroken heart , did not mean to. 

  • WendyLuvsCatz said:

    nup, just being punished for not thinking to buy it for free and hide it in DIM

    The free FBX item coupon is still available today in case there's another deal tied to owning one this weekend.

  • jmucchiellojmucchiello Posts: 1,753

    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    nup, just being punished for not thinking to buy it for free and hide it in DIM

    The free FBX item coupon is still available today in case there's another deal tied to owning one this weekend.

    I suspect wendy used the coupon already and only put the DUF in her cart. I considered doing this too. But didn't do a purchase the first day. I ended up getting a duf and the same fbx. And I then hid them in DIM so I'll never see them again.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,231
    edited June 19

    jmucchiello said:

    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    nup, just being punished for not thinking to buy it for free and hide it in DIM

    The free FBX item coupon is still available today in case there's another deal tied to owning one this weekend.

    I suspect wendy used the coupon already and only put the DUF in her cart. I considered doing this too. But didn't do a purchase the first day. I ended up getting a duf and the same fbx. And I then hid them in DIM so I'll never see them again.

    I grabbed both, was just pointing out to the previous poster, they were being punished for not grabbing a freebie they didn't need to even download  

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,745

    memcneil70 said:

    I already had a coupon code GREAT-OUTDOORS in my cart for a wishlist item, so I would not give that up for old items anyways. I found that if there were new items I wanted but expensive, I wishlisted them, bought them another day when the prices dropped and used the coupon code for more discounts. Or as has happened this week, not bought anything a few days. Those FBX things were a turn-off. I have found that anytime DAZ floods the sale page with one specific type of item, even if I like it, I get turned off from buying anything. Guess I am weird.

    No, you're not alone at all.  When a company has specialized in one kind of product for years and suddenly starts a heavy push of something that's unlikely to be of much interest to the majority of their regular customers, it can be extremely annoying, especially when the whole store gets reconfigured as a result.   

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 3,765

    Cybersox said:

    memcneil70 said:

    I already had a coupon code GREAT-OUTDOORS in my cart for a wishlist item, so I would not give that up for old items anyways. I found that if there were new items I wanted but expensive, I wishlisted them, bought them another day when the prices dropped and used the coupon code for more discounts. Or as has happened this week, not bought anything a few days. Those FBX things were a turn-off. I have found that anytime DAZ floods the sale page with one specific type of item, even if I like it, I get turned off from buying anything. Guess I am weird.

    No, you're not alone at all.  When a company has specialized in one kind of product for years and suddenly starts a heavy push of something that's unlikely to be of much interest to the majority of their regular customers, it can be extremely annoying, especially when the whole store gets reconfigured as a result.   

    While I'm totally down with Daz branching out (it makes good business sense, and I would like them to stay in business) I admit that obnoxiously huge Game Ready icon in the filters has me casting a bit of side-eye. 
     

    ...although hey, at least there's the option to filter it out of the store page. 

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,678
    edited June 19

    The more I look at the Sales, the less I am interested.

    There are so many "sale categories" or specials that I just don't care about.

    Then there are the wishlist sales, etc.... Seems like the same stuff with a different "catch phrase" and coupon code.

    I never could figure out how some people can figure how to "manipulate" things to save money.

    I mainly go for plain and simple.

    Oh and I don't care "What's Hot!"

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  • joannajoanna Posts: 2,629

    SilverGirl said:

    Cybersox said:

    memcneil70 said:

    I already had a coupon code GREAT-OUTDOORS in my cart for a wishlist item, so I would not give that up for old items anyways. I found that if there were new items I wanted but expensive, I wishlisted them, bought them another day when the prices dropped and used the coupon code for more discounts. Or as has happened this week, not bought anything a few days. Those FBX things were a turn-off. I have found that anytime DAZ floods the sale page with one specific type of item, even if I like it, I get turned off from buying anything. Guess I am weird.

    No, you're not alone at all.  When a company has specialized in one kind of product for years and suddenly starts a heavy push of something that's unlikely to be of much interest to the majority of their regular customers, it can be extremely annoying, especially when the whole store gets reconfigured as a result.   

    While I'm totally down with Daz branching out (it makes good business sense, and I would like them to stay in business) I admit that obnoxiously huge Game Ready icon in the filters has me casting a bit of side-eye. 
     

    ...although hey, at least there's the option to filter it out of the store page. 

    Yeah, the filter out game files option is definitely appealing, and being able to pernamently save them is even better. I just wish that minimizing that particular filter would save it in minimzed position too. I don't need to see that obnoxious "game ready" banner that takes up space and makes getting to "only wishlist" not as easy as when it was at the very top of the page.

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 3,765

    joanna said:

    SilverGirl said:

    Cybersox said:

    memcneil70 said:

    I already had a coupon code GREAT-OUTDOORS in my cart for a wishlist item, so I would not give that up for old items anyways. I found that if there were new items I wanted but expensive, I wishlisted them, bought them another day when the prices dropped and used the coupon code for more discounts. Or as has happened this week, not bought anything a few days. Those FBX things were a turn-off. I have found that anytime DAZ floods the sale page with one specific type of item, even if I like it, I get turned off from buying anything. Guess I am weird.

    No, you're not alone at all.  When a company has specialized in one kind of product for years and suddenly starts a heavy push of something that's unlikely to be of much interest to the majority of their regular customers, it can be extremely annoying, especially when the whole store gets reconfigured as a result.   

    While I'm totally down with Daz branching out (it makes good business sense, and I would like them to stay in business) I admit that obnoxiously huge Game Ready icon in the filters has me casting a bit of side-eye. 
     

    ...although hey, at least there's the option to filter it out of the store page. 

    Yeah, the filter out game files option is definitely appealing, and being able to pernamently save them is even better. I just wish that minimizing that particular filter would save it in minimzed position too. I don't need to see that obnoxious "game ready" banner that takes up space and makes getting to "only wishlist" not as easy as when it was at the very top of the page.

    Hard agree. I understand the logic behind just putting everything on the left, even if I liked that particular one better on top... maybe if the Quick Filters were at the top of the filters column, it would be a good compromise?

  • AsuCafeAsuCafe Posts: 373

    Ron Knights said:

    The more I look at the Sales, the less I am interested.

    There are so many "sale categories" or specials that I just don't care about.

    Then there are the wishlist sales, etc.... Seems like the same stuff with a different "catch phrase" and coupon code.

    I never could figure out how some people can figure how to "manipulate" things to save money.

    I mainly go for plain and simple.

    Oh and I don't care "What's Hot!"

    I selected several items and listed all the discount rules, trying to get the AI ​​to calculate the most cost-effective way to buy them. However, even the AI ​​got confused; I was much faster at calculating it myself.

    I recently bought a lot of great stuff at another, more expensive store that I didn't have here, and it made me reflect on my shopping history. I've bought so many things here that I didn't really want, sometimes because they were so cheap, sometimes because of discounts. Now I've figured it out: I don't have to calculate the lowest discount before I buy something. If I really love something, I don't mind spending a little more for the artist who created such a high-quality piece. 

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,745

    AsuCafe said:

    Ron Knights said:

    The more I look at the Sales, the less I am interested.

    There are so many "sale categories" or specials that I just don't care about.

    Then there are the wishlist sales, etc.... Seems like the same stuff with a different "catch phrase" and coupon code.

    I never could figure out how some people can figure how to "manipulate" things to save money.

    I mainly go for plain and simple.

    Oh and I don't care "What's Hot!"

    I selected several items and listed all the discount rules, trying to get the AI ​​to calculate the most cost-effective way to buy them. However, even the AI ​​got confused; I was much faster at calculating it myself.

    I recently bought a lot of great stuff at another, more expensive store that I didn't have here, and it made me reflect on my shopping history. I've bought so many things here that I didn't really want, sometimes because they were so cheap, sometimes because of discounts. Now I've figured it out: I don't have to calculate the lowest discount before I buy something. If I really love something, I don't mind spending a little more for the artist who created such a high-quality piece. 

    Yeah, there are a bunch of items in my Product Library that I look at now and wonder "why in the heck did I buy that?" and I'll go back and look at the invoice and see that it was probably something I did to trigger some big discount where I saved more on the other items than the puzzling item cost, so I bought something that I really had no intention of ever using.  By comparison, I never see that with my product libraries for things that I bought at the other 3D stores, as the pricing at those places is more linear and the rules of sales are less convoluted and filled with gimmicks.  Since it's all digital and only takes up space on hard drives if I bother to download something, that methodology works, though I imagine it can really play havoc in the minds of PAs who might be misled into thinking that something is more popular than it really is when it actually just happens to be the cheapest thing that will trigger a sale on a given day.     

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,754
    edited June 20

    IDK if it was wise for me, but I got the free thing, took a month of D+ and had a spin through the OS at an extra 40% off. That was nice.

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