You've been heard. Response re: 4.9 and Encryption
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Don't get Reny going, he's a real pitbull !!!!
Great to see you buddy
I'd be purely speculating.. it's not my call to say.
What I will say though, since you asked me personally, is that Daz have course-corrected in the past, and I have no doubt that if the market isn't willing/ready to adopt this then they will take whatever action needed to correct it. If it does continue to be rolled out, increased, adapted and improved upon (any or all of those), you can rest assured that they have the data to back it up.. whether or not that is disclosed to the customer is really down to them. But since they are in the business to sell content, if they aren't doing that, then the questions will be asked why and addressed appropriately. Again, it may not be in a fashion some people on the forums agree with, but it will be done.
I've said it previously, but will repeat it. It's easy for people behind monitors to say 'Daz are a faceless corporation' when things don't go their way.. however I've met the team face to face and it really isn't like that at all. I know, I'm wasting my breath at this point, but things aren't always what they seem especially when those are deemed to be bad.
To sign off this post, I want PC members to rest assured discussions will take place as and when necessary.
It was a freebie...so it can just sit in my product library as I won't download it. I would bet I'm not the only one who picked up the free item that will not actually download it off the server. I think my brain shutdown when I saw FREE.
Edit: I only posted to point out that the number of sales of a "freebie" may not be a true representation of how well encryption is being embraced.
Personally, I don't see Daz as a faceless corporation at all. I use words like "them" and "they" in order to avoid insulting or accusing any particular individual, which I feel would be unfair. On the contrary, I have some experience of this type of thing from the other side (trying to roll out a new system thats upopular with a segment of your customer base) and I would guess that there are probably even people working within Daz that think this is a bad idea but must tow the company line.
As usual you are the voice of reason though Jack. I highly doubt that Daz will tell us if the data doesn't support DRM. However, as you say they are in the business of selling products, so if the data is sufficiently poor enough then they will be forced to consider a course-correction in order to sure-up falling profits. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
Ahh crap, I did not even check - ok ticket time to ask DAZ to remove from my purchases.
And a perk being encrypted does NOT count?!?!?!?!?!?
Jack, I hope that you will address this, as I haven't seen a response anywhere:
To the best of your knowledge, is anything being developed to assist people who, for whatever reason, cannot get on line with their art computer?
IE;
It is a work computer that is forbidden access.
The user does not have an internet connection and must physically go elsewhere to get online.
The user just refuses to connect their art computer for security reasons.
Or are we forgotten few just stuck with using unencrypted content only?
If this was the norm, then yes, we would be addressing it.. but as I said, I believe this is just a test.
I'm not insulted; I never have been.
For that to happen, I would have had to have been targetted personally, and specifically told it was aimed at me. So I could decide to be insulted, but there is zero point when I'm not the target; I am what some call friendly fire or collateral damage; those terms are very objectionable - which irritates me just to write about them knowing their connations to war casualties. But we are, all those of us not involved in pirating are just collateral damage due to Daz's legimate efforts to pretect its and its PA's products.
Impersonal - great way of putting it.
I'm not part of the dev/web team - so I can't even hazard a guess.. sorry. All I can suggest is dropping CS a ticket so it's at least logged somewhere it can be referenced.
Probably the most pointless test ever conceived
+1
:)
and agree.
My addiction was drastically curtailed at the first release of 4.9 beta; I've continued in the hope things would change. We were heard, but nothing changed over what had been stated in the various threads. One post by DAZ_? did, however, offer more of an insight.
But when I've spent my credit, I will be cancelling my membership. I can be addicted elsewhere; although I like Daz's community on these forums, I don't have to be anything more than an occasional customer - if I am one at all.
I feel for folks like Jack, stuck on both sides. (Customer and Daz-Dude(ess))
I've raised a ticket for a refund.
I'm inclined to agree; a popular female such as Aiko or Girl 7; Aiko I'd be disappointed with, Girl no intention to purchase if she's remeniscent of Girl 6. Probably others that could serve a similar function. It would have to be all items in the bundle. Or perhaps release a more expensive version that was not connect only. :)
Jack, I really hope that the pc weekly freebie encrypted is just a test, because having a nice weekly freebie was part of why I made a contract with DAZ for a year long pc membership, which up to now I enjoyed very much. I still have half a year to go with this pc memebrship. Seeing the encryption on that was a major disappointment and from this point of view a violence of that contract.
I know you are trying to put out fires as they come, but I hope the test ends before this weekly freebie is not anymore.
So, if I leave this "freebie" in my library without downloading it...I'm "voting" for encryption?
I just figured it would be easier to leave the item in my library as it didn't cost me anything. BUT if this is a how does encrypted sell based on sales...not how many server downloades...it sounds like it's a vote for encryption which makes me rethink just letting it sit in my product library list.
I know, who'd have thought it?:)
Er nope, first time I've seen it on this particular page. Of course, I've not looked. :)
Again, I can't speak for how closely they'll look at the data in this particular situation..
From my perspective as PC admin though - I can only look at sales numbers, not downloads.. so that's how we in the PC judge a normal products 'success'.
Thank you, Jack. I wonder if any of them even read the forums? Or are they completely out of touch with their customer base.
That would explain a lot...
edited to correct spelling. Again. *sigh*
Thanks, nicstt. I needed a laugh.
I logged a ticket letting DAZ know I emptied out about $80 worth of items from my cart because the tollbooth was encrypted.
Of course, a company that bases their measure of success upon how much free stuff they can give away is deluding themselves. Many people would accept a stick if you handed it to them and said it was free
Yes, they do read the forums :)
Whilst I agree; when I realised it was DRM, I raised a ticket for both items (encrypted and not), but it did make me smile. I just hope that buying and then asking for a full refund will not class as a sale; folks with agendas can ask a database query to do anything - I'm not accusing Daz, mererly stating that individuals can look to skew results.
Humour atm is very nice - not been much to smile about in Daz-land recently.
I'm going to stop posting soon, since I'm not marketing, and can't speak for marketing.. but IMHO doing this as one test, gives them a basis to then release a full price item if they deem it worthwhile, and compare the two. Then, you can look at, did the two items do comparitively well.. did the freebie do better than the sales item.. etc etc.
I suspect that is their thinking, yes. I suppose one useful thing you could glean from "sales" of a freebie is how many people are avoiding it based entirely on principle (because there'd be no real other reason to avoid it - unless you just really didn't like it).
I'm a German publisher (small one), and I decided to sell all my books without DRM, despite the fact that nearly all of them are pirated on the second day of release at the latest. Most of our readers are honest, and I won't inconvenience these honest people just because some others are dishonest. Yes, I do loose sales this way, maybe a few, maybe some more, but ...
Call me unobservant or whatever you like, I saw the toll booth and thought it a great addition to the image I was working on last night with a AC Cobra and added it to my cart without even checking the promo images. It was only when I started the download manager and it wasn't listed that I went back and checked why and saw it was an encrypted file. My download stat with not be accurate. To gain accurate stats the download member will also need to be cross referenced to the same member downloading 4.9 and activating it.
I suspect that they won't do that (obviously thats just speculation though). Remember that they're not really trying to see if they've made a mistake here - they're trying to prove themselves right. So any data that can be used to reinforce the idea that they've made the right decision will be precious to them. Why corrupt that data just to gain accurate information?
Theres a possibility that if you return/refund the item they might take account of that though...
Well, even as a test, it means that I as a paying PC+ member miss out on a useable weekly freebie; unless of course DAZ is willing to offer another weekly freebie that isn't encrypted or an unencrypted version of the current one. This sort of action does not encourage me to stay in the PC+ club or to buy from DAZ.
I'm not even disgusted - for quite a bit of time already weekly freebies are useless for me anyway, as they're DS-only. As a strictly Poser user, I found this abomination (= encrypted DS freebie) quite funny. No another year in PC+ from me, guys, it's already pretty obvious for at least half a year now.