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I live in LA, lots of Latinos here too. What I meant was her look doesn’t scream Latina, she could be Latina or almost any ethnicity at all really. She could be Italian, French, American, etc... Nothing about her brings to mind a particular ethnicity is what I meant.
Which is why I said what I said, and I stand by. Latino can be from Europe, Carribean, South America and even Africa. My old roommate was from Africa, but his main language was Spanish, when he said he was latino.
Given that the rl community of Latinx struggles with issues of colorism and ‘not looking right,’ it’s a good idea to avoid judgement of ‘doesn’t look like latin’ unless you really get the issues involved.
I have a Puerto Rican distant cousin who is blond with blue eyes. My mom is from Puerto Rican and could be mistaken from a bunch of countries; at one point someone asked me if she was German. Um.
Latinx are black, have Asian ancestry, Indian heritage, and many other things.
Thank you!
Latino/Hispanic is a cultural group not a race. It's like saying someone doesn't look American.
The steriotype you're thinking is probably is the classic image of the South/Centural American with strong native heritage and even that can differ greatly due to regional sun exposure.
Monique has a strong Mediterianian cast to her skintone... and if you're not fond of her skin color feel free to tweak the material settings.
I worked with a blond blue eyed lady from Brazil that spoke German with I worked in the DFW area. At the time i was surprised (but didn't say anything to her of course about my surprise) but since doing genealogy & DNA submissions since then I've learned a lot more about immigration and migration over the millenia; mostly from written records and scientific research of experts. And although they are often wrong as there are refinements and improvements scientific methods and technology they discover some folk tales are true, some are false, and the same with some of their own scientific theories being true or false. Having Amish and Mennonite ancestors myself I read they did not restrict themselves to Germany, Switzerland, and the USA as is often thought in the USA. Anywhere the farming was good, land was cheap, and immigration laws allowed them to set up new farming communities they did. As a child I was often asked if I was from England by classmates. Those classmates weren't trying to be rude or exclusionary, it was harmless curiosity on the part of students to a new classmate. Even though it was embarrassing, a simple polite no was a good enough answer.
Flamenco actually goes hand-in-hand with Paso Doble; the bullfighter dance.
Don't look at me.
Gabbie didn't do a thing for me, but I liked all four outfits and both hairs. I finally figured out a combination of gabrielle, accessories that triggered discounts, the 20%, and three different sales (Buy to earn store credit, Bohemian Chic, and Medievel meets Sci-Fi) to get some wild discounts.
There's always somebody asking: why don't the discountes just add up? Why do we have to do that subtract the discounts from 100%, multiply all the differences by each other, and subract the product from 100% again to see how sales combine. why do we have to invert, multiply, invert again?
That would have put my combination above at 158% off, instead of 80 off. Yeah, if DAZ would pay me 58% to buy stuff, I'd have thrown a few more hundred dollars worth of merchandise.
Oh, and a few items that were on both the "select DAZ originals" from one sale and the "get 40% off these vendors, 50% if you buy something" from another sale, and triggering both sales put things at (I believe) 84% off.
Not quite as bad as the time I discovered during a "gift certificate sale" that the credit balance you had from sending yourself sale priced DAZ gift cirtificates could be be used to buy more gift certificates. I looped through that foui times, made screen shots, and sent them off to DAZ support with a "Hey guys, you migh want to take a look at this, and you also might want to refund the gift cards I just bought at 55% off (four loops through an 18% discount)" because I'm not the sort of person who would keep it). To make the problem easy to illustrate, I made each gift card 22% larger (the reciprocol of an 18% discount is a 22% increase), so the balance from my initial $200 seed was $443.
10 times through and it would have been $1460.
20 times? $10,671.
30 times? $77,951
A lifetime supply of, well, everything.
My entire knowledge of Flamenco can be summed up thus:
Not entirely on topic, but flamenco got me thinking of Spanish guitar, then the most famous Spanish guitarist...
LOVE this piece:
https://youtu.be/9dqzGgMnypw
I don't see why she's supposed to be Latina to begin with. The assets seem to indicate that she's supposed to be a Spaniard, hence white European, and she looks like one. I'm not sure where everybody in this thread got the idea that she was Latina. The name sounds particularly Latin-American???
Not sure, maybe from the product description where they described her as a "spirited young Latin American woman"?
I imagine everyone is looking at the painting, A Redenção de Cam by Modesto Brocos, and trying to decide which person is more Latin American looking....
I responded to someone asking where everyone in the thread got the idea she was Latina. If you want to make some argument over what "Latina" looks like, do it on your own and don't bring me into it.
Yeah, it's really strange to see people discussing that there is no 'Latin' look, when that is precisely what DAZ is trying to sell here.
Obviously the real world is much more complex than stereotypes, there are black Europeans and fair-skinned African people and really tall Japanese people. But DAZ is selling the stereotype and the characters probably should look the part, at least unless there is, like, 20 white caucasian figures, then you might wanna start switching things up a bit.
That being said, lot of the pictures of Gabriela in this thread look really good and her skin seems actually a bit darker than her promos might lead one to believe. And even though she is, of course, slender and attractive, she does have somewhat unique facial features. Honestly, I think she is by far the best thing in her own Pro Bundle for once.
I am sorry; I was just apmplifying your mention of a young Latin American woman using one of the most famous images in world historyto point out how hopeless the quest is rather than commenting specificaly on what you said. The dangers of quoting!
Please remember to address topics and not posters. Everyone has their own opinion, but please be mindful that there is a breadth and scope to how Latin American women can look.
Yes, latin american people have DNA from many other races, but that's not the point!
If the description would say: A native indigenous Raramuri women, i would expect to see the common raramuri women, not the exception. Maybe there's raramuri people that have a caucasian mother or black father and they look very different from the common raramuri people. But if you say "raramuri", you are looking for something special.
Gabriela could be latin american for sure, but i can't inmediately recognize her as latin american at first sight.
And that's where someone would offend, As the mod said there is a breadth and scope to what that is. That's why people of latin descent where I live ask what COUNTRY they're from, not from any stereotypical feaures. And they ask because they hear the language not see any features.
Well, off course we can't guess where people born, their languages or culture just by looking their faces.
But we can guess where their genes come from. Asian genes, american genes, african genes... etc. Latin american like me have a huge mixture of genes from almost every ethnicity in the world, but still, we have some features that could be easily recognizable.
Someone can't be ofended by that fact without be ofended by his own nature.
To clarify terms, "Latina/Lantino/Latinx" refers to someone from Latin America. This includes Brazil (which speaks Portugese not Spanish). "Hispanic" refers to someone who comes from a Spanish speaking country, which can include places like Spain ( I know .. "Duh!"
). So the first term is about geography, the second is about language. True there is a lot of overlap between them, but they do mean different things.
You would walk past my ex-wife (who is from Venezuela) and never suspect she was Latina unless she opened her mouth to speak. On the other hand, if you saw her mother, you would be pretty sure immediately.
As I mentioned a few pages back there's wide varieties of skin and facial/body structures among Latinx people. While Gabriela may not be what immediately pops to mind to the average American when they hear "Latina" (they're probably picturing a Mexican woman, tbh), I'm sure she'd be offended if someone said told her she wasn't "Latina" just because she didn't fit a sterotype.
Like the hair but wish the flowers could be removed.
BTW, I'm Spanish (father) and Irish/Welsh (mother).... I looked very Spanish when I was a child, and very Irish when I became an older adult.... just adds spice to my long story.
So, I guess that saying a Daz character is "Latin American" is about as useful/useless to someone looking for a character to render as saying the character is good at spelling. Besides, in a good number of renders, other than portrait renders, given all the morphs we have access to, it matters very little what character you use, as long as the poses work and the skin and clothes fit.
Same as saying a character is "European" or "Asian". I mean all of these guys are "Asian" characters, but they are quite different...
The point is there is a LOT of diversity in the term "Latina" or "Latino". Just because a character doesn't conform to a particular stereotype doesn't mean they don't belong in that ethnic group.
3D rendering is a purely visual medium. Sales promotion is not.
Point is that the whole "Latin American" thing is just marketing. It has nothing to do with any attributes the model posesses. It has as much relevance as Penelope's social graces or academic credentials. If you like the character, fine, but don't expect too much caliente.
@Sevrin "If you like the character, fine, but don't expect too much caliente."
So what exactly do you mean by that?
I mean that you should buy the character or even the whole bundle if you like it, but there's nothing particularly fiery about it, once you take off the red dress (also available separately). Most of what DAZ sells is promo pictures, many of which are amazing. What we get is a pile of linked polygons and raster images we have to figure out what to do with.