A base character with four or five derived characters isn't really base to me. How many morphs are based on Victoria 3 or Victoria 4? Half of their generation, I guess. This is, what I would call a base character.

That's because, really, the base character is Genesis 8. Instead of having V3, M3, D3, A3, and whatever else, ALL the characters are based on G8F/G8M, and Whoever 8 just provides a jumping-off point for different variations. 

I see Genesis 8 more as a base mesh than as a character. V3, A3 and the others were real characters that could be used without any additional morphs. Genesis 8 is rather ugly and I wouldn't use her as is.

But technically speaking you're right, of course.

(I own very few core characters anyway. They're not better than non-core characters, they just come with a hefty price tag for no reason I can see.)

<tinfoil>That's so that Daz can sell them at reasonable prices but make them seem like unbelievable bargains.</tinfoil>

The price tag of base characters has never been a problem for me simply because I've never paid anywhere close to full price for a base character. I buy pro bundles at steep discounts, or get them free with new pro bundles, which brings the price of the pro bundles down to less than the sticker price of just the base character. The base characters that I've bought standalone have all been part of some other sale, like when you could get G3 base figures for $2.99, or one free G8 base character during Victoria's birthday or some such. 

A base character with four or five derived characters isn't really base to me. How many morphs are based on Victoria 3 or Victoria 4? Half of their generation, I guess. This is, what I would call a base character.

That's because, really, the base character is Genesis 8. Instead of having V3, M3, D3, A3, and whatever else, ALL the characters are based on G8F/G8M, and Whoever 8 just provides a jumping-off point for different variations. 

A base character with four or five derived characters isn't really base to me. How many morphs are based on Victoria 3 or Victoria 4? Half of their generation, I guess. This is, what I would call a base character.

I would prefer less similar base characters. Vicky as "white model woman" for example would suffice for white model women base chars. We don't need ten of them in my oppinion. Just derivate from Vicky or make it a standalone char, if you want to add another white model.

It's not about the numbers. I would be very happy if we had 63 different base characters that are significantly different from each other. But right now "base characters" are often nothing more than random characters in a bundle. Nothing a PA couldn't do too and maybe could do even better, like the Darwins Mishap(s)/Arki/Shox and Co. bundles.

Gallery link

 

Title: The Dance

DAZ Studio, Adobe Photoshop
Version before postwork attached below:

 

Freebies:

1) Dryad by Aboran Tourist Council: https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/v4-dryad-conforming-figure-forposer/75975

2) Tree by Design Anvil: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/379371/da-super-morphing-tree-2020-cherry-blossom-and-oak-tree/p1

3) HDRI by valzheimer: https://gumroad.com/l/DXEPj

4) Flower by printable_models: https://free3d.com/3d-model/anemone-flower-v1--764792.html

5) Flower by dacosta: https://free3d.com/3d-model/flower-25-99404.html

6) Flower by dacosta: https://free3d.com/3d-model/plant-04-58791.html

7) Hair by April's Vanity: http://shop.aprilsvanity.com/free-items/ciri-hair.html

8) Morph by bu_es: https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/saud-for-g3m-g8m/78849

9) Hair Texture from Mane Concern: Allessa (DAZ Bi-Weekly Freebie)

10) Outfit from Lion War Bundle (DAZ Bi-Weekly Freebie)

11) Shrub by Tyro Smith: https://free3d.com/3d-model/bush-84314.html

12) Shrub by Yughues aka Nobiax: https://www.sharecg.com/v/76031/related/5/3D-Model/Free-Hedges

13) Boulder by 3-d-c: https://sharecg.com/v/46789/gallery/11/Poser/Morphable-Boulder

14) Ground Texture by StruffelProductions (Lennart Demes): https://cc0textures.com/view?tex=Ground37

 

Purchased:
1) Rex for G8M
2) Horns from Primordial Barbarian
3) Atmocam 2
4) Flutter of Butterflies

 

No Count Items:
- G8M Head Morphs
- G8M Body Morphs
- Victoria 4.2
- Monochromatic Shader (2018 XMas Freebie)
- Sakura Blossom (2019 XMas Freebie)

[ETA 18.FEB: added links to my No Counts to avoid any confusion.]

All Links Check Out Plz Move To Entries Thread

I am sorry for being so late in approving your entry @Hylas!

Introduction:

If you already know how to play this should be easy. Simply read the 'For players' section below to see how the game has been adapted for play on a forum.
If you don't know how to play, then it may be best simply to lurk for a while until you think you understand, at which point you're welcome to join in.

Scoreboard:

In charge of the scoreboard is the lovely Samantha. I couldn't find her piano intro, so this will have to do for now

Round 1 (Original modern rules): Elephant And Castle > Holborn > Goodge Street > Chalfont & Latimer > Aldwych > Kew Gardens > Golders Green > Baker Street > Maida Vale > Dollis Hill > Upminster > St Pauls > London Bridge > Morden > Bank > Holborn > Highbury & Islington > British Museum > Mornington Crescent ... winning move played by Matt_Castle

Round 2 (Windsor abridged rules, with Lord Incent's amendment): Ruislip Gardens > Shepherds Bush Market > Cutty Sark for Maritime Greenwich > Seven Sisters > Baker Street 221b > Elephant and Castle > Kentish Town > High Street Kensington > Earl's Court > Angel > Bank > Waterloo > Mornington Crescent... winning move played by Ascania

Round 3 (Lord Knaresborough's Yorkshire variation): Blackstone Lane > Lebreton Flats (False start called due to forum auto(in)correction, restart required) Blackhorse Lane > Kentish Town > Oxford Circus> Shepards Bush > Northfields > Ealing Broadway > Cyprus > Watford Junction >Dollis Hill > Wembley Park > Kensington Olympia > Mornington Crescent ... winning move played by droidy001

Round 4 (Bog Standard rules): Hyde Park Corner > Cockfosters > Waterloo > Canada Water > Crossness > Poplar > Wembley Central > Looisham > West Kensington > East Ham > Turnham Green > White City > St John's Wood > Walthamstow Central > White Chapel > Waterloo > Sloane Square > Kings Cross > South Kensington > Pimlico> Victoria > Twyford>Paddington > Harrow and Wealdstone > Ealing Broadway > West India Quay > Uxbridge > Great Portaloo Street > Barking > Swiss Cottage > Seven Sisters > Mornington Crescent ...winning move played by Chohole

Round 5 (Marquess of Tunsberry rules, abridged, with the Highland Corollaries): Vauxhall > Acton Town > Cowcaddens > Ibrox > St Enoch > Harrow & Wealdstone > Gorbals > Barbican > Sloane Square > Victoria > Mornington Crescent  ...winning move played by Richard Haseltine

Round 6 (Crwssynt Morgantonio LLwdiu variation): Tower Gateway >  Euston > Banc > Charing Cross > Harlesden > Eliffant a Castell > Capel Gwyn  (Whitechapel) > Baching > Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch > Shepherd's Bush > B(r)econ[tree] (Beacons) > Pontarfynach (Devil's Bridge) > Angel > Heathrow Terminal 5 >Llandudno Junction > Amersham > Clogwyn> Beddgelert > Pontrhydyfen > Llanwrtyd Wells > Caerdydd Canolog [Cardiff Central] > Hobbs End > Hickory Road >Timbuktu > Darjeeling > Earl's Court > King's Cross > Mornington Crescent  ... winning move played by 3DCheapskate

Round 7 (Calvin's Presbyterian version, 23 June 1907 edition): Archway > Holborn > Arsenal > Tufnell Park>Hyde Park Corner> Hounlsow Central>Archway>Monument>Archway>Stepney Green>Morden...
(somewhere around the Stepney Green>Morden move we seem to have slipped onto an alternate timelime due to the quantum meddling)
Round 7 (Calvin's Presbyterian version, 23 June 1907 edition) alternate timeline:Pimlico > Ickenham > Elm Park > Arnos Grove > Ladbroke Grove > Dagenham East > Oval > Ruislip Manor > Stepney Green > Morden > Plaistow > Wembley Central > Lyon Park Avenue > Alperton > Tooting Bec > Regents Park > King's Cross > Oxford Circus > Elephant And Castle > Monument > Barbican > Farringdon > Archway > Mornington Crescent ... winning move played by Chohole

Round 8 (Tudor Court rules): Tower Gateway >Tooting Broadway > West Croydon> > Lambeth North > Maidenhead > Earl's Court >Park Royal > High Street Kensington  > Parsons Green > Regents Park > ...

Guidelines (not rules) for players:

0) We're probably playing by the original modern rules now Different rulesets may be used for each round. Details of the ruleset(s) in use will (probably) be found in (or near) the post containing the first move for that round

1) The major change to the standard original modern any rules is that there is no particular sequence in which players make their moves.
So basically whoever posts next is considered to have made the next move (Rule Guideline (3) (4) is intended to resolve conflicts in this regard, but probably won't)
However, no player is allowed to make two consecutive moves.

2) Discussion and comment is encouraged, but not mandatory. For this purpose both players and non-players are welcome to post without making any move.

3) When making a move, please include the full sequence of preceding moves in your post (to counter the problem of two or more people posting responses to the same moves), and ensure that your actual move stands out in your post. I suggest a separate line using the 'Heading 1' format (from the drop-down above the edit box that has 'Normal' as the default), but maybe bold, a bright colour, or anything that clearly differentiates it from normal, humdrum, everyday text will suffice. This is so that moves can be easily picked out from general chit-chat. Here is an example move:

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Elephant And Castle > Aldgate > South Harrow > Marylebone

Liverpool Street

I bet you weren't expecting that !
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

4) If two or more people post responses to the same move, then the one that appears first in the thread (after any thread turbulence has settled) is counted and the others are ignored. If you have posted a move that is ignored according to this rule guideline, please do not delete it - simply use the strikethrough format (the 'S' button next to the bold 'B' and italic 'I' buttons above the post editing box at the left) on your move.

4a) (The 'fait accompli' amendment to guideline (4)) If two or more people post responses to the same move, thus invoking guideline (4), but somebody posts a follow-on to one of the aforementioned multiple responses to the same move that would not have been considered the legitimate next move, then that illegitimate next move forthwith gains legitimacy.

5) Invalid moves must be challenged before anybody makes a follow-on move. If a follow-on move has already been made then the challenged move stands, regardless of its validity. If a move is successfully challenged then play is paused until a nominated 'responsible adult' rules makes a decision on the validity of the move. Discussion of the validity of a challenged move is highly encouraged, and sufficient time should be allowed for the cases both for and against the challenge. Invalid moves will be redacted in the same way as ignored moves in rule guideline (5), i.e. by using strikethrough on the move, not deleting it.

6) All guidelines are purely guidelines and can be ignored at will.

So let's get started. I'll kick us off with a classic opening move...

Elephant And Castle

Awesome render @Hylas! Really beautiful!

But I wonder (and not for the first time) why the G8M Head Morphs (https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-male-head-morphs) and G8M Body Morphs (https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-male-body-morphs) are listed under No-Count items? Or do you mean the Body and Head morphs that come with the Genesis 8 Male base figure? (The (paid) Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs are required by the Rex for Genesis 8 Male character...)

Thanks!

As I understand it, the basic morph packs are No Counts... when I use further morph packs (such as SWOLE or 200 Plus) I list them under purchased.

3. Base figures (All Gen 2,3,4, and Genesis 1,2,3) as well as their general morphs packs (Morphs++ and similar) do not count as a purchased item or a freebie and may be used as needed

The Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Shapes++ (Head and Body Morphs++) have been freebies occasionally, as well as the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs but I'm not sure whether they (the C.C.M.) fall under 'similar'. I also own the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and the Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs but they came with the Michael 5 Pro Suite so they are purchased. What I am saying is that none of the Head or Body Morph packages for Genesis, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 has ever been a freebie and therefor I think it's very strange that they do not count as purchased. @Saphirewild, can you please clarify on this?

I wanted to answer this question first before I checked over your links @Hylas!

To answer this question I went to a higher rank then myself and here is her answer:

Chohole8:02PM

occasional freebies will only count if they are free during the month of the contest.

 

Thank you @Saphirewild and @Chohole!

The actual (first) question is, are purchased/paid-for Head or Body Morph packages for Genesis, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 like the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs or the Genesis 8 Male Head Morphs and Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs, which are all additional to the Head and Body Morphs that come with the base figures, No-Count or Purchased/Paid-For items? And why? :)

Second question, do the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs fall under 'similar' (Morphs++ and similar) and therefor are No-Count items?

 

I asked her once again and this is her answer:

Chohole6:44AM

our old rules said

 Base figures (All Gen 2, 3, 4 and Genesis1 and 2) don’t count as a purchased item or a freebie and may be used as needed.

Morphs will count toward a purchased item.

 

Thanks. "Morphs will count toward a purchased item." means that the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs or the Genesis 8 Male Head Morphs and Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs as well as the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs are Purchased/Paid-For items. But...

3. Base figures (All Gen 2,3,4, and Genesis 1,2,3) as well as their general morphs packs (Morphs++ and similar) do not count as a purchased item or a freebie and may be used as needed

Rule 3 says that "their general morphs packs (Morphs++ and similar)" are No-Count items. What is meant by "similar"? And by "their general morphs packs"?

Tramp Graphics  "...they are often required for many paid for or even freebie character packages to work."

There are plenty of freebie character packages that don't need those (purchased/paid-for) morphs. And if you use a purchased/paid-for character package that requires these (purchased/paid-for) morphs than those morphs should be listed as Purchased/Paid-For as well and not as No-Count items! (In my humble opinion that is, but I think it does make sense...)

Sorry to be so difficult, but let's try to get this clear for everyone!

@Hylas

What's meant by "similar morph packages" is the Evolution morph packs.Those are the Genesis line (Genesis-Genesis 8)  equivalents of the Morphs ++ of the Gen 4 figures. The Evolution morph packs each  provide the same basic types of morphs for the various Genesis generations, that the Morphs ++ packages provided for Gen 4 figures (Victoria4, Michael 4, etc). They just used the term "Evolution Morphs" instead of "Morphs ++". Functionally, they're the same thing. Morphs ++, and Evolution morphs are what rule three covers. 

Thank you for your (partly superfluous) explanation Tramp Graphics.

 Do you agree on all this @Saphirewild ?

Awesome render @Hylas! Really beautiful!

But I wonder (and not for the first time) why the G8M Head Morphs (https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-male-head-morphs) and G8M Body Morphs (https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-male-body-morphs) are listed under No-Count items? Or do you mean the Body and Head morphs that come with the Genesis 8 Male base figure? (The (paid) Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs are required by the Rex for Genesis 8 Male character...)

Thanks!

As I understand it, the basic morph packs are No Counts... when I use further morph packs (such as SWOLE or 200 Plus) I list them under purchased.

3. Base figures (All Gen 2,3,4, and Genesis 1,2,3) as well as their general morphs packs (Morphs++ and similar) do not count as a purchased item or a freebie and may be used as needed

The Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Shapes++ (Head and Body Morphs++) have been freebies occasionally, as well as the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs but I'm not sure whether they (the C.C.M.) fall under 'similar'. I also own the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and the Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs but they came with the Michael 5 Pro Suite so they are purchased. What I am saying is that none of the Head or Body Morph packages for Genesis, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 has ever been a freebie and therefor I think it's very strange that they do not count as purchased. @Saphirewild, can you please clarify on this?

I wanted to answer this question first before I checked over your links @Hylas!

To answer this question I went to a higher rank then myself and here is her answer:

Chohole8:02PM

occasional freebies will only count if they are free during the month of the contest.

 

Thank you @Saphirewild and @Chohole!

The actual (first) question is, are purchased/paid-for Head or Body Morph packages for Genesis, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 like the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs or the Genesis 8 Male Head Morphs and Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs, which are all additional to the Head and Body Morphs that come with the base figures, No-Count or Purchased/Paid-For items? And why? :)

Second question, do the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs fall under 'similar' (Morphs++ and similar) and therefor are No-Count items?

 

I asked her once again and this is her answer:

Chohole6:44AM

our old rules said

 Base figures (All Gen 2, 3, 4 and Genesis1 and 2) don’t count as a purchased item or a freebie and may be used as needed.

Morphs will count toward a purchased item.

 

Thanks. "Morphs will count toward a purchased item." means that the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs or the Genesis 8 Male Head Morphs and Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs as well as the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs are Purchased/Paid-For items. But...

3. Base figures (All Gen 2,3,4, and Genesis 1,2,3) as well as their general morphs packs (Morphs++ and similar) do not count as a purchased item or a freebie and may be used as needed

Rule 3 says that "their general morphs packs (Morphs++ and similar)" are No-Count items. What is meant by "similar"? And by "their general morphs packs"?

Tramp Graphics  "...they are often required for many paid for or even freebie character packages to work."

There are plenty of freebie character packages that don't need those (purchased/paid-for) morphs. And if you use a purchased/paid-for character package that requires these (purchased/paid-for) morphs than those morphs should be listed as Purchased/Paid-For as well and not as No-Count items! (In my humble opinion that is, but I think it does make sense...)

Sorry to be so difficult, but let's try to get this clear for everyone!

@Hylas

What's meant by "similar morph packages" is the Evolution morph packs.Those are the Genesis line (Genesis-Genesis 8)  equivalents of the Morphs ++ of the Gen 4 figures. The Evolution morph packs each  provide the same basic types of morphs for the various Genesis generations, that the Morphs ++ packages provided for Gen 4 figures (Victoria4, Michael 4, etc). They just used the term "Evolution Morphs" instead of "Morphs ++". Functionally, they're the same thing. Morphs ++, and Evolution morphs are what rule three covers. 

Awesome render @Hylas! Really beautiful!

But I wonder (and not for the first time) why the G8M Head Morphs (https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-male-head-morphs) and G8M Body Morphs (https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-male-body-morphs) are listed under No-Count items? Or do you mean the Body and Head morphs that come with the Genesis 8 Male base figure? (The (paid) Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs are required by the Rex for Genesis 8 Male character...)

Thanks!

As I understand it, the basic morph packs are No Counts... when I use further morph packs (such as SWOLE or 200 Plus) I list them under purchased.

3. Base figures (All Gen 2,3,4, and Genesis 1,2,3) as well as their general morphs packs (Morphs++ and similar) do not count as a purchased item or a freebie and may be used as needed

The Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Shapes++ (Head and Body Morphs++) have been freebies occasionally, as well as the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs but I'm not sure whether they (the C.C.M.) fall under 'similar'. I also own the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and the Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs but they came with the Michael 5 Pro Suite so they are purchased. What I am saying is that none of the Head or Body Morph packages for Genesis, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 has ever been a freebie and therefor I think it's very strange that they do not count as purchased. @Saphirewild, can you please clarify on this?

I wanted to answer this question first before I checked over your links @Hylas!

To answer this question I went to a higher rank then myself and here is her answer:

Chohole8:02PM

occasional freebies will only count if they are free during the month of the contest.

 

Thank you @Saphirewild and @Chohole!

The actual (first) question is, are purchased/paid-for Head or Body Morph packages for Genesis, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 like the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs or the Genesis 8 Male Head Morphs and Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs, which are all additional to the Head and Body Morphs that come with the base figures, No-Count or Purchased/Paid-For items? And why? :)

Second question, do the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs fall under 'similar' (Morphs++ and similar) and therefor are No-Count items?

 

I asked her once again and this is her answer:

Chohole6:44AM

our old rules said

 Base figures (All Gen 2, 3, 4 and Genesis1 and 2) don’t count as a purchased item or a freebie and may be used as needed.

Morphs will count toward a purchased item.

 

Thanks. "Morphs will count toward a purchased item." means that the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs or the Genesis 8 Male Head Morphs and Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs as well as the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs are Purchased/Paid-For items. But...

3. Base figures (All Gen 2,3,4, and Genesis 1,2,3) as well as their general morphs packs (Morphs++ and similar) do not count as a purchased item or a freebie and may be used as needed

Rule 3 says that "their general morphs packs (Morphs++ and similar)" are No-Count items. What is meant by "similar"? And by "their general morphs packs"?

Tramp Graphics  "...they are often required for many paid for or even freebie character packages to work."

There are plenty of freebie character packages that don't need those (purchased/paid-for) morphs. And if you use a purchased/paid-for character package that requires these (purchased/paid-for) morphs than those morphs should be listed as Purchased/Paid-For as well and not as No-Count items! (In my humble opinion that is, but I think it does make sense...)

Sorry to be so difficult, but let's try to get this clear for everyone!

@Hylas

 

Morphs will count toward a purchased item.

 

According to rule 3, at least some morphs are no counts rather than purchased, which is where the current confusion lies:

3. Base figures (All Gen 2,3,4, and Genesis 1,2,3) as well as their general morphs packs (Morphs++ and similar) do not count as a purchased item or a freebie and may be used as needed

Shapes++ is mentioned specifically, as well as "general morph packs".

My understanding is that following items count as "general morph packs" and are no counts:

M4 Shapes++, V4 Shapes++
Genesis Evolution Body, Genesis Evolution Head
G2M Body, G2M Head, G2F Body, G2F Head
G3M Body, G3M Head, G3F Body, G3F Head
G8M Body, G8M Head, G8F Body, G8F Head

(I'm not familiar with pre Gen4 products)

Let me know if I got it wrong. Sorry for the hassle!

Hi mightguy15,

Id like to see your style. Jenn HD for V7 https://www.daz3d.com/jenn-hd-for-victoria-7 .

Sorry I took so long:

Gonna do a few more touch ups soon.

Awesome render @Hylas! Really beautiful!

But I wonder (and not for the first time) why the G8M Head Morphs (https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-male-head-morphs) and G8M Body Morphs (https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-male-body-morphs) are listed under No-Count items? Or do you mean the Body and Head morphs that come with the Genesis 8 Male base figure? (The (paid) Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs are required by the Rex for Genesis 8 Male character...)

Thanks!

As I understand it, the basic morph packs are No Counts... when I use further morph packs (such as SWOLE or 200 Plus) I list them under purchased.

3. Base figures (All Gen 2,3,4, and Genesis 1,2,3) as well as their general morphs packs (Morphs++ and similar) do not count as a purchased item or a freebie and may be used as needed

The Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Shapes++ (Head and Body Morphs++) have been freebies occasionally, as well as the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs but I'm not sure whether they (the C.C.M.) fall under 'similar'. I also own the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and the Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs but they came with the Michael 5 Pro Suite so they are purchased. What I am saying is that none of the Head or Body Morph packages for Genesis, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 has ever been a freebie and therefor I think it's very strange that they do not count as purchased. @Saphirewild, can you please clarify on this?

I wanted to answer this question first before I checked over your links @Hylas!

To answer this question I went to a higher rank then myself and here is her answer:

Chohole8:02PM

occasional freebies will only count if they are free during the month of the contest.

 

Thank you @Saphirewild and @Chohole!

The actual (first) question is, are purchased/paid-for Head or Body Morph packages for Genesis, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 like the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs or the Genesis 8 Male Head Morphs and Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs, which are all additional to the Head and Body Morphs that come with the base figures, No-Count or Purchased/Paid-For items? And why? :)

Second question, do the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs fall under 'similar' (Morphs++ and similar) and therefor are No-Count items?

 

I asked her once again and this is her answer:

Chohole6:44AM

our old rules said

 Base figures (All Gen 2, 3, 4 and Genesis1 and 2) don’t count as a purchased item or a freebie and may be used as needed.

Morphs will count toward a purchased item.

I am astounded that so many people like this Pro Bundle. I do not like it that much, but that's only my taste — just an ordinary woman with plain-looking clothes (except one exception).
Without the Gorgeous Morphs from P3Design, not even the base would be of much use for me, I fear.
However, while I can understand that not everybody needs fantasy assets or sexy articles of clothing for his works, I am just too blind to see the awesomeness in this bundle.
 

What I like about the Pro Bundle (and I think what others liked) is that it conforms to a theme, rather than being full of random items like several of the most recent female Pro Bundles were. Church lady, gardener, and tennis player fit squarely into the older black woman theme. There were no older black Core characters, and now Leroy and Nida have provided them. I can tell you, if one ever wanted to make an older black woman, it would be difficult to do convincingly without Benita---and now the Nida family. Daz has obviously decided to provide us with many of the types that we would need to people a 3D universe, and that was what I, personally, desired.

I agree with the themed bundle idea, I would love to see more such bundles, maybe even several for each core figure, as not everyone is into every theme. Nevertheless, this bundle just doesn't do it for me, especially after this weekend's shopping spree madness, during which I bought a wagonload of characters with all shades of skin at around 83% off, including quite a number of Mousso's amazing ladies.

I do like some items coming with Nida, for instance, I quite like the Imani character, but just not enough to make me pull the trigger immediately. I do appreciate the other purple banner offers nonetheless and I am grateful for those. I got a gift card for 20% off, I got Zelara 8 Pro Bundle for 79% off instead of Nida's bundle, and I got this for free, one of the few outfits containing shoes/boots my female characters could actually fight in without suffering fractures of both ankles and/or severely tearing the ligaments in their legs immediately : https://www.daz3d.com/rebel-rogue-outfit-for-genesis-8-female-s

I may get Nida during some future sale, especially should Imani be on sale too, as I really love her eyes and smile. Especially the eyes.

I am astounded that so many people like this Pro Bundle. I do not like it that much, but that's only my taste — just an ordinary woman with plain-looking clothes (except one exception).
Without the Gorgeous Morphs from P3Design, not even the base would be of much use for me, I fear.
However, while I can understand that not everybody needs fantasy assets or sexy articles of clothing for his works, I am just too blind to see the awesomeness in this bundle.
 

What I like about the Pro Bundle (and I think what others liked) is that it conforms to a theme, rather than being full of random items like several of the most recent female Pro Bundles were. Church lady, gardener, and tennis player fit squarely into the older black woman theme. There were no older black Core characters, and now Leroy and Nida have provided them. I can tell you, if one ever wanted to make an older black woman, it would be difficult to do convincingly without Benita---and now the Nida family. Daz has obviously decided to provide us with many of the types that we would need to people a 3D universe, and that was what I, personally, desired.

If I have a current character, lets say "Victoria for Genesis 8", and I want to 'duplicate' most of her, but change some of the underlying image maps (as well as morphs), and save her as Victoria's sister "Lilith", is there a way to save her as an actual new character, not just as a scene/subscene?

As in, a new character that shows up separately in the Genesis 8 Female Directory? Even better, in the Smart Content directory?

I know you can save "new" characters as scenes/subscenes with morphs, etc...but I want to modify the underlying imagemaps as well, and have the new character show up in the Directory the same as Victoria and the other Genesis 8 models. Is this possible within Daz3d? Or do I have to duplicate the file folder of the figure outside of Daz 3D, with new names, etc.?

I think this part is the most important.  It converted the poses for the weapons, though.

2020-02-11 19:24:30.013 DEBUG: Compatibility Base
2020-02-11 19:24:36.482 DEBUG: Saved Clothing Item: D:/Converted Daz Content/!Converted Props/G3 to G8/Darkshade/Hand Poses/Darkshade Sai Hand Pose R.duf
2020-02-11 19:24:38.235 Zeroing Genesis 8 Female Pose
2020-02-11 19:24:38.347 DEBUG: Trigger Action DzZeroFigurePoseAction
2020-02-11 19:24:39.548 DEBUG: Triggered Action DzZeroFigurePoseAction
2020-02-11 19:24:39.549 DEBUG: End convert
2020-02-11 19:24:39.675 DEBUG:      Copy Icons from D:/!PROJECTS & INSPIRATION/!Projects/Project 7 - Random Action Adventure/People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Darkshade/Hand Poses/Darkshade Sai Hand Pose R.duf to D:/Converted Daz Content/!Converted Props/G3 to G8/Darkshade/Hand Poses/Darkshade Sai Hand Pose R.duf
2020-02-11 19:24:39.690 DEBUG:      Copy Categories from D:/!PROJECTS & INSPIRATION/!Projects/Project 7 - Random Action Adventure/People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Darkshade/Hand Poses/Darkshade Sai Hand Pose R.duf to D:/Converted Daz Content/!Converted Props/G3 to G8/Darkshade/Hand Poses/Darkshade Sai Hand Pose R.duf
2020-02-11 19:24:39.692 DEBUG:      Cannot find assets for old preset /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Darkshade/Hand Poses/Darkshade Sai Hand Pose R.duf
2020-02-11 19:24:39.692 DEBUG: END Conversion of D:/!PROJECTS & INSPIRATION/!Projects/Project 7 - Random Action Adventure/People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Darkshade/Hand Poses/Darkshade Sai Hand Pose R.duf
2020-02-11 19:24:39.702 DEBUG: RemoveExtraSkeletons Genesis 3 Female Genesis 8 Female
2020-02-11 19:24:39.705 DEBUG: Selecting Preset: D:/!PROJECTS & INSPIRATION/!Projects/Project 7 - Random Action Adventure/People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Darkshade/Darkshade Sai LH.duf
2020-02-11 19:24:39.773 DEBUG: START Conversion of D:/!PROJECTS & INSPIRATION/!Projects/Project 7 - Random Action Adventure/People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Darkshade/Darkshade Sai LH.duf
2020-02-11 19:24:39.774 DEBUG: Converting prop or pose from D:/!PROJECTS & INSPIRATION/!Projects/Project 7 - Random Action Adventure/People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Darkshade/Darkshade Sai LH.duf to D:/Converted Daz Content/!Converted Props/G3 to G8/Darkshade/Darkshade Sai LH.duf
2020-02-11 19:24:39.782 DEBUG: Converting Prop or Pose
2020-02-11 19:24:39.884 Converting Prop,Follower/Accessory,Preset/Pose/Hierarchical,Preset/Pose,Preset/Wearables,Preset/Properties: Darkshade Sai LH
2020-02-11 19:24:40.002 Applying Preset: Darkshade Sai LH
2020-02-11 19:24:40.002 DEBUG: Apply Preset D:/!PROJECTS & INSPIRATION/!Projects/Project 7 - Random Action Adventure/People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Darkshade/Darkshade Sai LH.duf
2020-02-11 19:24:40.558 File loaded in 0 min 0.1 sec.
2020-02-11 19:24:40.558 Loaded file: Darkshade Sai LH.duf
2020-02-11 19:24:40.581 DEBUG: WARNING: OctaneRender Scene Data does not have a presentation
2020-02-11 19:24:40.581 DEBUG: Presentation is null.  Forcing presentation for wardrobe
2020-02-11 19:24:40.583 DEBUG: Asset Mgr says content type is "": D:/!PROJECTS & INSPIRATION/!Projects/Project 7 - Random Action Adventure/People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Darkshade/Darkshade Sai LH.duf
2020-02-11 19:24:40.599 DEBUG: Asset is wearable
2020-02-11 19:24:40.599 DEBUG: UpdatePreferredBase [object Object] /Genesis 8/Female
2020-02-11 19:24:40.607 DEBUG: Presentation
2020-02-11 19:24:40.607 DEBUG:   autoFitBase
2020-02-11 19:24:40.607 DEBUG:   colorA [object Object]
2020-02-11 19:24:40.607 DEBUG:   colorB [object Object]
2020-02-11 19:24:40.607 DEBUG:   description
2020-02-11 19:24:40.607 DEBUG:   iconLarge
2020-02-11 19:24:40.607 DEBUG:   iconSmall
2020-02-11 19:24:40.607 DEBUG:   label
2020-02-11 19:24:40.607 DEBUG:   Preferred Base /Genesis 8/Female
2020-02-11 19:24:40.607 DEBUG:   type Prop
2020-02-11 19:24:40.607 DEBUG: Prop is OctaneRender Scene Data
2020-02-11 19:24:40.617 DEBUG:
2020-02-11 19:24:40.617 DEBUG: Vendor Name: RiverSoft Art
2020-02-11 19:24:40.617 DEBUG: Product Name: OctaneRender Scene Data for Genesis 8 Female
2020-02-11 19:24:40.617 DEBUG: Item Name: OctaneRender Scene Data
2020-02-11 19:24:40.617 DEBUG: Copy loaded pose from Genesis 3 Female to Genesis 8 Female
2020-02-11 19:24:40.617 DEBUG: Copy Pose Properties from Genesis 3 Female to Genesis 8 Female
2020-02-11 19:24:40.673 DEBUG: Copying "pCTRLlFingersGrasp" to "pCTRLlFingersGrasp": 1 (weight=1), old=0
2020-02-11 19:24:40.680 DEBUG: 1 0
2020-02-11 19:24:40.681 DEBUG: 1 1
2020-02-11 19:24:40.681 DEBUG: Copy Pose Properties from Genesis 3 Female to Genesis 8 Female
2020-02-11 19:24:40.735 DEBUG: Copying "pCTRLlFingersGrasp" to "pCTRLlFingersGrasp": 1 (weight=1), old=1
2020-02-11 19:24:40.735 DEBUG: Pose Controls set? true
2020-02-11 19:24:41.244 Loaded image DarkShadeSai.jpg
2020-02-11 19:24:41.448 Loaded image DarkShadeSaiB.jpg
2020-02-11 19:24:41.931 Copying pose from Genesis 3 Female to Genesis 8 Female
2020-02-11 19:24:42.317 DEBUG: Ancestor Bone is lHand
2020-02-11 19:24:42.726 DEBUG: END Conversion of D:/!PROJECTS & INSPIRATION/!Projects/Project 7 - Random Action Adventure/People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Darkshade/Darkshade Sai LH.duf
2020-02-11 19:24:42.726 DEBUG: RemoveExtraSkeletons Genesis 3 Female Genesis 8 Female
2020-02-11 19:24:43.010 DEBUG: Execution Complete.
2020-02-11 19:25:03.088 WARNING: Script Error: Line 1071
2020-02-11 19:25:03.088 WARNING: Error: cannot access member `getNodeParent' of deleted QObject
2020-02-11 19:25:03.088 WARNING: Stack Trace:
    <anonymous>()@C:/Users/Public/Documents/My DAZ 3D Library/data/RiverSoft Art/Common/RSPropConversionFunctions.dse:1071
2020-02-11 19:25:03.105 Error in script execution: C:/Users/Public/Documents/My DAZ 3D Library/Scripts/RiverSoft Art/Props & Poses Converter/Props & Poses Converter G3F to G8F.dse

 

Ok, this is weird.  The script loads the DrakShade Sai LH, but what it finds is something called OctaneRender Scene Data?  I don't do Octane but I wonder if it puts something in the scene?  When I run on the same item, the script finds the weapon and everything is different after that:

2020-02-12 08:07:05.638 DEBUG: START Conversion of D:/Documents/My DAZ 3D Library/People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Darkshade/Darkshade Sai LH.duf
2020-02-12 08:07:05.640 DEBUG: Converting prop or pose from D:/Documents/My DAZ 3D Library/People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Darkshade/Darkshade Sai LH.duf to D:/Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio/My Library/People/Genesis 8 Female/Props/Darkshade/Darkshade Sai LH.duf
2020-02-12 08:07:05.640 DEBUG: Converting Prop or Pose
2020-02-12 08:07:05.872 Converting Prop,Follower/Accessory,Preset/Pose/Hierarchical,Preset/Pose,Preset/Wearables,Preset/Properties: Darkshade Sai LH
2020-02-12 08:07:05.972 Applying Preset: Darkshade Sai LH
2020-02-12 08:07:05.972 DEBUG: Apply Preset D:/Documents/My DAZ 3D Library/People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Darkshade/Darkshade Sai LH.duf
2020-02-12 08:07:06.384 File loaded in 0 min 0.2 sec.
2020-02-12 08:07:06.384 Loaded file: Darkshade Sai LH.duf
2020-02-12 08:07:06.839 DEBUG: DarkShadeSai_LH ( Prop/Arm/Left/Hand ) is Clothing Prop,Follower/Accessory,Preset/Pose/Hierarchical,Preset/Pose,Preset/Wearables,Preset/Properties? true
2020-02-12 08:07:06.839 DEBUG: UpdatePreferredBase [object Object] /Genesis 8/Female
2020-02-12 08:07:06.839 DEBUG: Presentation
2020-02-12 08:07:06.839 DEBUG:   autoFitBase 
2020-02-12 08:07:06.840 DEBUG:   colorA [object Object]
2020-02-12 08:07:06.840 DEBUG:   colorB [object Object]
2020-02-12 08:07:06.840 DEBUG:   description 
2020-02-12 08:07:06.840 DEBUG:   iconLarge 
2020-02-12 08:07:06.840 DEBUG:   iconSmall 
2020-02-12 08:07:06.840 DEBUG:   label 
2020-02-12 08:07:06.840 DEBUG:   Preferred Base /Genesis 8/Female
2020-02-12 08:07:06.840 DEBUG:   type Prop/Arm/Left/Hand
2020-02-12 08:07:06.842 DEBUG: Prop is DarkShadeSai_LH
2020-02-12 08:07:06.855 DEBUG: 
2020-02-12 08:07:06.855 DEBUG: Vendor Name: RiverSoft Art
2020-02-12 08:07:06.855 DEBUG: Product Name: Darkshade Outfit for Genesis 3 Female(s)
2020-02-12 08:07:06.855 DEBUG: Item Name: DarkShadeSai_LH
2020-02-12 08:07:06.855 DEBUG:      Directory does not exist: D:/Documents/DAZ 3D/Studio/My Library/People/Genesis 8 Female/Props/Darkshade

 

For the RSSY Clothing Converter from Victoria 4 to Genesis 8 Female there was an update that the readme said: 2020-02-13 Added.CRZ Support

What does that mean?

It means that it will find.CRZ files now as welll as the other file types.

I've been fine with the Autofit-genesis -> autofit-Genesis2 -> autofit Genesis8 method.  Though I bought the Genesis2 autofit for V4 cloths store product when on sale to save a stage and time.

https://www.daz3d.com/victoria-4-for-genesis-2-female

Not too many V4 items I find hold up now, but there is still the odd few things I use.

For the RSSY Clothing Converter from Victoria 4 to Genesis 8 Female there was an update that the readme said: 2020-02-13 Added.CRZ Support

What does that mean?

Awesome render @Hylas! Really beautiful!

But I wonder (and not for the first time) why the G8M Head Morphs (https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-male-head-morphs) and G8M Body Morphs (https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-male-body-morphs) are listed under No-Count items? Or do you mean the Body and Head morphs that come with the Genesis 8 Male base figure? (The (paid) Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs are required by the Rex for Genesis 8 Male character...)

Thanks!

As I understand it, the basic morph packs are No Counts... when I use further morph packs (such as SWOLE or 200 Plus) I list them under purchased.

3. Base figures (All Gen 2,3,4, and Genesis 1,2,3) as well as their general morphs packs (Morphs++ and similar) do not count as a purchased item or a freebie and may be used as needed

The Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Shapes++ (Head and Body Morphs++) have been freebies occasionally, as well as the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs but I'm not sure whether they (the C.C.M.) fall under 'similar'. I also own the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and the Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs but they came with the Michael 5 Pro Suite so they are purchased. What I am saying is that none of the Head or Body Morph packages for Genesis, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 has ever been a freebie and therefor I think it's very strange that they do not count as purchased. @Saphirewild, can you please clarify on this?

I wanted to answer this question first before I checked over your links @Hylas!

To answer this question I went to a higher rank then myself and here is her answer:

Chohole8:02PM

occasional freebies will only count if they are free during the month of the contest.

 

Thank you @Saphirewild and @Chohole!

The actual (first) question is, are purchased/paid-for Head or Body Morph packages for Genesis, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 like the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs or the Genesis 8 Male Head Morphs and Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs, which are all additional to the Head and Body Morphs that come with the base figures, No-Count or Purchased/Paid-For items? And why? :)

Second question, do the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs fall under 'similar' (Morphs++ and similar) and therefor are No-Count items?

Awesome render @Hylas! Really beautiful!

But I wonder (and not for the first time) why the G8M Head Morphs (https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-male-head-morphs) and G8M Body Morphs (https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-male-body-morphs) are listed under No-Count items? Or do you mean the Body and Head morphs that come with the Genesis 8 Male base figure? (The (paid) Genesis 8 Male Body Morphs are required by the Rex for Genesis 8 Male character...)

Thanks!

As I understand it, the basic morph packs are No Counts... when I use further morph packs (such as SWOLE or 200 Plus) I list them under purchased.

3. Base figures (All Gen 2,3,4, and Genesis 1,2,3) as well as their general morphs packs (Morphs++ and similar) do not count as a purchased item or a freebie and may be used as needed

The Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Shapes++ (Head and Body Morphs++) have been freebies occasionally, as well as the Victoria 4.2 and Michael 4 Creature Creator Morphs but I'm not sure whether they (the C.C.M.) fall under 'similar'. I also own the Genesis Evolution: Head Morphs and the Genesis Evolution: Body Morphs but they came with the Michael 5 Pro Suite so they are purchased. What I am saying is that none of the Head or Body Morph packages for Genesis, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 has ever been a freebie and therefor I think it's very strange that they do not count as purchased. @Saphirewild, can you please clarify on this?

I wanted to answer this question first before I checked over your links @Hylas!

To answer this question I went to a higher rank then myself and here is her answer:

Chohole8:02PM

occasional freebies will only count if they are free during the month of the contest.