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  • Yeah, i'm burned out on dystopic, i want escapism and nostalgia. Really hoping to see more Stonemason Americana one of these days, or even more futuristic utopia (however unlikely that may be).

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,895

    richardandtracy said:

    I admire, but don't like, Stonemason's Rust Town. The reason - it's too real, and too close to coming to fuition in a town near all of us, and that rather colour's my view of it. The whole thing is so detailed it's frightening. How can anyone model that much so well?

    Instancing and duplication of repeating geometry elements, array mutiplication of parts for the models (especially in an environment like this), and substance painter with decals to lay down and speed up the texturing. SM has been doing this a long time and as I understand it, he's a VFX professional. So he no doubt has the knowing and doing to do what he does.  

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,895

    tsroemi said:

    You know, I'm really not sure that this general consensus in the forums that DAZ won't allow use of AI for ownership reasons is still holding up in 2026. I've put in a ticket today, asking DAZ to give us a way to determine whether generative AI has in fact been used in a given product. GenAI is something that we'll increasingly need to declare if we post our work elsewhere, so we're gonna need to know, not guess. Other sites don't make any fuss about this, so I'm hoping eventually, DAZ will follow suit. 

    Professional 3D world uses a lot of AI to do stuff. I learned this from hanging out with some professional 3D people. It's increasingly the way of things. I learned another thing doing some research, too: Generated work mostly does have copyright standing if the people using the AI document their processes - that would be prompts used, outputs, additional inputs, etc. It's actually only generated AI images made by AI with no human guidance that has absolutely no standing. Now, I'm not going to repeat what I said on another site about how AI art is winning in the art world and marketplace because I already posted it. I may format it into an article and post that soemwhere else. I haven't yet, but I would argue, we are reaching the point where the world doesn't care how the image or the asset was made, and good luck proving how it was made. Because some folks who do not use AI at all also don't document their process. And as mentioned above, there is such thing as shoddy modeling, process can be faked, etc, ad nauseum. I don;t like it, but I have processed it. Until the courts rule on what happens due to how the source data sets for all AI models was collected, the fair use issue, there's not much else to say about it.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,942
    edited September 14

    richardandtracy said:

    I admire, but don't like, Stonemason's Rust Town. The reason - it's too real, and too close to coming to fuition in a town near all of us, and that rather colour's my view of it. The whole thing is so detailed it's frightening. How can anyone model that much so well?

    I loved it and immediately put it in my cart, but I admit that my very first thought as someone who watches a lot of "building off the grid" type TV shows, where they often use shipping containers, was "there's no way that would ever be a stable construction."  I did some quick research and, yes, while shipping companies may occasionly stack containers between 9 and twelve feet high on a temporary basis in a yard, permanent, residential construction is usually limited to just three or four containers high due to stability issues due to wind surface, shifting internal loads,and ground settling, and even then requires unit to unit clamps, heavy concrete pads, and massive external steel reinforcements... especially once the basic container shape has been heavily modified with cut-outs, let alone unevenly balanced and stacked as here.  Still, I'm buying it because 1.) it is just so amazingly cool and 2.) I figure it will be an amazing base for building "off the grid stuctures" of my own.       

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  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,148

    Stonemason's Rust Town is just what I was looking for as part of a near-future project.  The quality and detail are impressive, particularly compared to some much older dystopian sets I have (these are looking a bit long in the tooth)..  As AsuCafe said, hang a clothesline and clothes.  I plan on adding some signs and decals, flags, and maybe a few strings of Christmas Lights.  Convert some modules into small storefronts, add some more potted and hanging plants.laugh

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,895

    What do we think of Nelmi's new skimp wear? It looks quite well fitted to be very revealing. Is the download enormous?  Did anyone get it and play around with it?

  • AsuCafeAsuCafe Posts: 540

    Torquinox said:

    What do we think of Nelmi's new skimp wear? It looks quite well fitted to be very revealing. Is the download enormous?  Did anyone get it and play around with it?

    File size: 169.2MB

    Details not yet checked 

  • garrett_3d said:

    daveso said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/m3d-lysandra-hd-for-genesis-9

    Now this is wild looking

    Looks like the ME went a bit over the top during the autopsy laugh

     

     

    She was LITTERALLY made for you!

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,895

    AsuCafe said:

    Torquinox said:

    What do we think of Nelmi's new skimp wear? It looks quite well fitted to be very revealing. Is the download enormous?  Did anyone get it and play around with it?

    File size: 169.2MB

    Details not yet checked 

    Thanks for that! It's a sane download size. smiley

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,354
    edited September 15

    Cybersox said:

    richardandtracy said:

    I admire, but don't like, Stonemason's Rust Town. The reason - it's too real, and too close to coming to fuition in a town near all of us, and that rather colour's my view of it. The whole thing is so detailed it's frightening. How can anyone model that much so well?

    I loved it and immediately put it in my cart, but I admit that my very first thought as someone who watches a lot of "building off the grid" type TV shows, where they often use shipping containers, was "there's no way that would ever be a stable construction."  I did some quick research and, yes, while shipping companies may occasionly stack containers between 9 and twelve feet high on a temporary basis in a yard, permanent, residential construction is usually limited to just three or four containers high due to stability issues due to wind surface, shifting internal loads,and ground settling, and even then requires unit to unit clamps, heavy concrete pads, and massive external steel reinforcements... especially once the basic container shape has been heavily modified with cut-outs, let alone unevenly balanced and stacked as here.  Still, I'm buying it because 1.) it is just so amazingly cool and 2.) I figure it will be an amazing base for building "off the grid stuctures" of my own.       

    The shipping companies aren't afraid of piling them up, but they also lose some sometimes. Happened in 2023 where I am where Maersk lost 46 containers during a storm, some of which drifted to the shore.  Quite a mess. 

    https://static.vesselfinder.net/ship-photo/9619971-219019139-41ace80d7b46be86ae2b8e3b7d5b64f1/1?v1
    https://avisendanmark.dk/danmark/46-containere-roeg-overbord-fire-er-drevet-i-land-koeleskabe-og-kanyler-flyder-rundt-ved-nordjysk-kyst

     

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,588
    edited September 15

    they seem to sit like this for years without collapsing and falling over, I used to drive past this area weekly which is full of shipping yards and containers

     

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  • WendyLuvsCatz said:

    they seem to sit like this for years without collapsing and falling over, I used to drive past this area weekly which is full of shipping yards and containers

    as soon as you start cutting doors and windows into them you pretty much ruin the structural support though, not that it matters in a fictional setting where shotguns make people fly backwards from the blast, and every parked car conveniently has the car keys conveniently sitting above the visor. i really hate hollywood for all the stupid tropes they creates.  

  • LorraineLorraine Posts: 1,069

    Stonemason's containers also look like the actual size of a container. A 20-foot container’s dimensions are standardised in the shipping industry, measuring about 20 feet in length (equivalent to 6.10 metres), 8 feet in width (2.44 metres), and 8.5 feet in height (2.59 metres). Most so called container house products I've seen in the shops are far too wide and that includes today's release which is another that's going to need an outhouse out the back.

  • dennisgray41 said:

    garrett_3d said:

    daveso said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/m3d-lysandra-hd-for-genesis-9

    Now this is wild looking

    Looks like the ME went a bit over the top during the autopsy laugh

     

     

    She was LITTERALLY made for you!

    Poor Lass, that must sting something chronic...

    Sort of needs a few additional props of mix and match heads, torsos, feet, hands, legs and arms to have lying about on the sideboard, and needing a BIG staple gun.

    Regards,

    Richard 

  • jmucchiellojmucchiello Posts: 2,166

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-lv-urban-aristocrat-outfit-for-genesis-9

    That is a weird outfit. It says neither urban nor aristocrat to me. 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,588

    jmucchiello said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-lv-urban-aristocrat-outfit-for-genesis-9

    That is a weird outfit. It says neither urban nor aristocrat to me. 

    looks like Temu polyester and foam plastic  

  • Looks like a very cheap Van Helsing knock off to me....

  • AsuCafeAsuCafe Posts: 540
    edited September 16

    https://www.daz3d.com/elevated-resort-suite

    The roof design is interesting; it looks simple at first glance, but the interior is exquisite and well-designed. The base is designed to adapt to various terrains. It would be even more perfect if it had an attic and windows on top, but I happen to know of a tool that can do that.

    PrecisionArt9 doesn't have many products, but they all left a deep impression on me.

    https://www.daz3d.com/ak-dforce-delicate-hair-for-genesis-9

    My first Art Ken product was only 75.8MB in size, and it looks amazing in actual use! Wow, I'm definitely adding Art Ken hair to my top shopping list!

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  • WendyLuvsCatz said:

    jmucchiello said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-lv-urban-aristocrat-outfit-for-genesis-9

    That is a weird outfit. It says neither urban nor aristocrat to me. 

    looks like Temu polyester and foam plastic  

    it may be based off something anime/manga

  • jmucchiellojmucchiello Posts: 2,166

    ANGELREAPER1972 said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    jmucchiello said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-lv-urban-aristocrat-outfit-for-genesis-9

    That is a weird outfit. It says neither urban nor aristocrat to me. 

    looks like Temu polyester and foam plastic  

    it may be based off something anime/manga

    I just can't imagine the aristocrat being interested in the mundane materials:

    • LV Urban Aristocrat Coat Black Denim
    • LV Urban Aristocrat Coat Black Leather
    • LV Urban Aristocrat Coat Black Linen
  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 6,121

    I am looking at https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-lv-urban-aristocrat-outfit-for-genesis-9 in my D|S and I am amazed at the 82 options to modify the four piece outfit. For me, this is a perfect Sci-Fi business suit for a man of the future.

    The loafers are very well done and could easily be used for modern clothing as well that does not include shoes. Though the blue color is a bit 'odd' to me, but there is black, grey and brown and nothing to keep one from using their favorite leather shaders.

    This would be true for the rest of the outfit, the pants, shirt and coat. 

    For $2.99 this was a bargain and a real gift for those of us who enjoy playing with our clothing choices. Thank you to @Leviathan. I love this outfit.

    Mary

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 27,533

    memcneil70 said:

    I am looking at https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-lv-urban-aristocrat-outfit-for-genesis-9 in my D|S and I am amazed at the 82 options to modify the four piece outfit. For me, this is a perfect Sci-Fi business suit for a man of the future.

    The loafers are very well done and could easily be used for modern clothing as well that does not include shoes. Though the blue color is a bit 'odd' to me, but there is black, grey and brown and nothing to keep one from using their favorite leather shaders.

    This would be true for the rest of the outfit, the pants, shirt and coat. 

    For $2.99 this was a bargain and a real gift for those of us who enjoy playing with our clothing choices. Thank you to @Leviathan. I love this outfit.

    Mary

    Don't let his pants fall down without a waistband laugh 

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 6,121
    edited September 16

    Think of those slacks that had no belt loops, but rather a zipper and a clip and hook that was hidden to make a clean appearance in the 1970s/1980s (?). Of course I would cover that area up, so I am not bothered by it. wink

    Edit to add: I just got it, 'Blue Suede Shoes'! A bit before my time, but seriously I should have remembered. Totally out of context though.

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,942
    edited September 16

    jmucchiello said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-lv-urban-aristocrat-outfit-for-genesis-9

    That is a weird outfit. It says neither urban nor aristocrat to me. 

    It's a very British late 60's/early 70s look, with the nehru collar and sansabelt pants, which is probably where the "aristocrat" comes from.  It reminds me a lot of the male clothing that Syliva Anderson designed for the legendary UFO TV series, which went on to become one of the primary design inspirations for Japanese anime and manga designers for the next four decades, so WendyLuvsCatz's anime comment seems spot on.  

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  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 6,121

    @Cybersox, that is fascinating. I will have to mention this to my flatmate who is big into Japanese anime and manga (along with Korean and Chinese versions) and may have examples in his room. 

    The fun thing about fashion is that it keeps being reinvented over the decades. 

    I keep re-reading a Sci-Fi series set in 31st Century of a civilization based on settlers from mainly India and other empires from other areas of our world. Indian clothing, customs, food, culture, religion are still present and I get frustrated by my limited visual knowledge of what items/things are. I keep promising myself to research the items and pull it together as a learning experience. (Good to keep the old brain working.)

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,588
    edited September 16

    Cybersox said:

    jmucchiello said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-lv-urban-aristocrat-outfit-for-genesis-9

    That is a weird outfit. It says neither urban nor aristocrat to me. 

    It's a very British late 60's/early 70s look, with the nehru collar and sansabelt pants, which is probably where the "aristocrat" comes from.  It reminds me a lot of the male clothing that Syliva Anderson designed for the legendary UFO TV series, which went on to become one of the primary design inspirations for Japanese anime and manga designers for the next four decades, so WendyLuvsCatz's anime comment seems spot on.  

     ANGELREAPER1972 not me

    I just thought it looked cheap, the clothing, not the modeling, that is quite good

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  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 3,625
    edited 9:05AM

    joanna said:

    tsroemi said:

    The thing is, there really is no official, customer-facing DAZ statement on AI use at all that I can find anywhere. Maybe I haven' t looked thoroughly enough, but in this day and age, I shouldn't have to. If PAs feel comfortable using genAI, then they should be comfortable owning up to it. They could just let us now in the product descriptions going forward, if DAZ feels they cannot enforce any AI policies themselves. 

    No, there's is no official statement. You get it only when you contact customer support. And from their behavior it seems that they think that having that policy in place solves the problem. They don't seem to be enforcing it in any way or even interested in doing anything.

    And while I wish Daz had a filter for AI generated or assisted assets, I also know that there are people out there who use AI for images, text, and other things, but they pretend they don't, so I can see why Daz is just choosing not to do anything, because any system is only as good as the people using it are honest.

    I've given myself a general moratorium for now on not buying new stuff that i might want to use for publishing videos and such elsewhere if it's produced after 2024, and if I can't find what I consider sufficient indicators online that the PA was not or at least not predominantly using AI. But this gets so tedious so fast and takes ages to do for every single new product i might want to use. So I buy a lot less now, and will continue to do so.

    I know what you mean. I keep a list of PAs I will not buy from which might not be correct and might be catching non-AI PAs in the net because there's no way to be certain, and Daz certainly sweeps things under the rug rather than address concerns. My spending has also dropped proportionally to my trust in the company, and whenever I see products that to me look similar to AI slop in new releases, my enthusiasm for shopping wanes really quickly.

    Just a quick update on this because I feel it might be of general interest, customer service just got back to me with the exact same explicit statement, that genAI is not allowed for PAs here. They do admit they might not be able to catch it all if it happens regardless (makes sense), but one can drop them a line if a product looks suspicious. I've asked them to consider putting this as an official policy up on the website, but they're never very keen on changing things here, so probably won't happen. Still, I think it's a good thing they're keeping this up.

    Edit: I think we should actually start doing this, write to the help Center when something looks sus.

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  • joannajoanna Posts: 2,776

    tsroemi said:

    Edit: I think we should actually start doing this, write to the help Center when something looks sus.

    From my experience, it's a waste of time. When I contacted them, they told me the same thing about the links, but never even acknowledged the ones I sent with any kind of "thank you, we will investigate" let alone getting back to me to update me on the investigation.

  • AsuCafeAsuCafe Posts: 540
    edited 2:09PM

    https://www.daz3d.com/japanese-food-collection-volume-7

    All eight Japanese dishes have finally arrived! Are there more? I tested the second set, and it worked very well. It's interesting that the food's texture changes are represented by "Morphs" instead of making a props.

    I really like this series; the effects are great and it's very practical. Whether it's food, buildings, or clothing, I almost exclusively buy products that "contain transformation mods" now. I already have a ton of those "just for show" products. But I'll definitely collect the entire food series. It would be perfect if there were mods for serving food with utensils and mods for taking a bite out of food. I suggest PA could add add-on products. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the next food series. I wonder which country's cuisine it will be?

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  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,778

    memcneil70 said:

    I am looking at https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-lv-urban-aristocrat-outfit-for-genesis-9 in my D|S and I am amazed at the 82 options to modify the four piece outfit. For me, this is a perfect Sci-Fi business suit for a man of the future.

    The loafers are very well done and could easily be used for modern clothing as well that does not include shoes. Though the blue color is a bit 'odd' to me, but there is black, grey and brown and nothing to keep one from using their favorite leather shaders.

    This would be true for the rest of the outfit, the pants, shirt and coat. 

    For $2.99 this was a bargain and a real gift for those of us who enjoy playing with our clothing choices. Thank you to @Leviathan. I love this outfit.

    Mary

    I love it too. My previous experience with this PA is very good; Leviathan's models are excellent.

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