There's Always Another Sale Thread -- Discussions Only Pt 5

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  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,622

    Ron Knights said:It just so happens I'm often the only man in a crowd at our lunch table, etc.

    That could be a blessing a curse, or just dangerous 

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,379

    All of the above.

    smiley

  • If you're interested in the https://www.daz3d.com/kiko-81-rising-star-bundle &/or https://www.daz3d.com/kiko-81-battle-warrior-bundle in today's Anime selection, first buy Kiko from the Outlet store in a separate transaction. IME, this will increase your discount by much more than the $3.49 cost of only Kiko.

  • Just an observation. Since at least the beginning of the year, it seems like there is more anticipation for Quick Grab, Outlet, & even biweekly freebie changeovers than for new core characters, or even new releases in general, with the exception of things like March Madness. And when the changeovers happen there are mostly positive comments about those older items, whereas the newly debuted core characters get a lot of complaints. Mostly justified complaints, IMO, especially about similarities to existing (G9) characters; lack of diversity; stereotyping, especially of jobs. Yes I admit I'm one of those making both types of comments.

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,919

    I'm waiting for another sale. 

  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,515
    The anime/toon sale speaks to my soul, but I ended up getting something on the Friday the 13th horror sake I stead, lol.
  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 3,275

    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    Just an observation. Since at least the beginning of the year, it seems like there is more anticipation for Quick Grab, Outlet, & even biweekly freebie changeovers than for new core characters, or even new releases in general, with the exception of things like March Madness. And when the changeovers happen there are mostly positive comments about those older items, whereas the newly debuted core characters get a lot of complaints. Mostly justified complaints, IMO, especially about similarities to existing (G9) characters; lack of diversity; stereotyping, especially of jobs. Yes I admit I'm one of those making both types of comments.

    Yeah. I think even aside from the price issue, thre's a psychological aspect (for me) of feeling included, and of having a shot at success. The Outlet/QG is pretty much bound to pop up with at least one thing in my WL (or one thing that isn't, but is pretty cool and maybe should've been) among all the stuff I'm not interested in. There tends to be a diversity of offerings. Whereas new releases, for the most part, are genres that aren't my cuppa tea. So I wind up having to put up with a lot of "male gaze" promos and cringey advertising on the sale page just for the chance to find out that yet again there's nothing I'd bother even putting on my WL for later, much less be excited enough to buy new (if the sale is even working). Definitely a mood killer.

    QG and Outlet aren't trying to be clever. They're straightforward. Here's the stuff, grab it if it appeals. Chef's kiss, because that's how much energy I have to put into it.

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,379

    I just woke from a nap. My mind is still a bit fuzzy.

    I saw a brief vision combining the horror, anime and Valentine's themes.

    Oh, I vaguely remember some movies along those lines.

  • Ron Knights said:

    I just woke from a nap. My mind is still a bit fuzzy.

    I saw a brief vision combining the horror, anime and Valentine's themes.

    Oh, I vaguely remember some movies along those lines.

    I don't  know if you consider it good news or bad, but you weren't dreaming. 

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,480

    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    Just an observation. Since at least the beginning of the year, it seems like there is more anticipation for Quick Grab, Outlet, & even biweekly freebie changeovers than for new core characters, or even new releases in general, with the exception of things like March Madness. And when the changeovers happen there are mostly positive comments about those older items, whereas the newly debuted core characters get a lot of complaints. Mostly justified complaints, IMO, especially about similarities to existing (G9) characters; lack of diversity; stereotyping, especially of jobs. Yes I admit I'm one of those making both types of comments.

    I observe the same. I agree with the argument that the premier program is perhaps causing the core figure line to suffer. And the OS/QG program is mostly made of goodness.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,480
    edited February 13

    I found a few Friday 13th items I like enough to buy at a price I find acceptable. There seems to be a $1.99 floor on that but tokens do stack against it.

    Post edited by Torquinox on
  • ElorElor Posts: 3,503

    The price floor is advertised on the banner in very small characters and I initally missed it too.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,500

    Torquinox said:

    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    Just an observation. Since at least the beginning of the year, it seems like there is more anticipation for Quick Grab, Outlet, & even biweekly freebie changeovers than for new core characters, or even new releases in general, with the exception of things like March Madness. And when the changeovers happen there are mostly positive comments about those older items, whereas the newly debuted core characters get a lot of complaints. Mostly justified complaints, IMO, especially about similarities to existing (G9) characters; lack of diversity; stereotyping, especially of jobs. Yes I admit I'm one of those making both types of comments.

    I observe the same. I agree with the argument that the premier program is perhaps causing the core figure line to suffer. And the OS/QG program is mostly made of goodness.

    Sort of.  It would seem very likely that Premiere Free Bundle business is a contributing factor, and I'm using that phrasing deliberately so that this post doesn't get removed as speculation being represented as fact.  I would, howerver, counter argue that the Premiere Free Bundle could have just as easily been in some part introduced in order to generate more interest in G9 product as the general pricing of DAZ products has continued to escalate.  Note that new G8 only product contines to be introduced on Renderosity and other stores and apparently does quite well, so that would indicate a lot of us still aren't completely sold on G9 as a replacement yet.  (I'm certainly not.)        

    As for the OS and QG sections... ultimately, the secret there is no secret: older product being sold at a fraction of the "when new" price, with even those "when new" often being generally substantially lower than most of the newer products coming into the store. What's not to like?  Granted, there are a few clunkers, but most of it is well worth the money it costs in QG, and with everyone watching their budgets a bit more closely these days, it makes so much more sense than fighting the cart jinga of the typical DAZ "sale".   

  • AsuCafeAsuCafe Posts: 284

    Cybersox said:

    Torquinox said:

    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    Just an observation. Since at least the beginning of the year, it seems like there is more anticipation for Quick Grab, Outlet, & even biweekly freebie changeovers than for new core characters, or even new releases in general, with the exception of things like March Madness. And when the changeovers happen there are mostly positive comments about those older items, whereas the newly debuted core characters get a lot of complaints. Mostly justified complaints, IMO, especially about similarities to existing (G9) characters; lack of diversity; stereotyping, especially of jobs. Yes I admit I'm one of those making both types of comments.

    I observe the same. I agree with the argument that the premier program is perhaps causing the core figure line to suffer. And the OS/QG program is mostly made of goodness.

    Sort of.  It would seem very likely that Premiere Free Bundle business is a contributing factor, and I'm using that phrasing deliberately so that this post doesn't get removed as speculation being represented as fact.  I would, howerver, counter argue that the Premiere Free Bundle could have just as easily been in some part introduced in order to generate more interest in G9 product as the general pricing of DAZ products has continued to escalate.  Note that new G8 only product contines to be introduced on Renderosity and other stores and apparently does quite well, so that would indicate a lot of us still aren't completely sold on G9 as a replacement yet.  (I'm certainly not.)        

    As for the OS and QG sections... ultimately, the secret there is no secret: older product being sold at a fraction of the "when new" price, with even those "when new" often being generally substantially lower than most of the newer products coming into the store. What's not to like?  Granted, there are a few clunkers, but most of it is well worth the money it costs in QG, and with everyone watching their budgets a bit more closely these days, it makes so much more sense than fighting the cart jinga of the typical DAZ "sale".   

    Because of the price, who wouldn't be interested in a product that is cheap, high-quality, and plentiful? However, the core character had to be released as a monthly subscription gift. When there is pressure to deliver the artwork on time, and it is just a gift, it will obviously affect the quality (no longer unique and not desirable to make people want to buy it). I felt the devaluation of "value" when the Pro-Bundle was disassembled.

    The choice between G8 and G9 is still based on money. Investing too much money in G8 items and then wanting to switch to G9 means buying everything again, which is too costly. Although there are many "generation transfer" methods, they are not easy to implement. The only reason I'm currently attracted to G9 is the unique and high-quality character. I really want this character to appear in my story, which means I have to buy all the G8 shapes and various add-ons I've ever bought before in G9, which costs me a lot of money. That's why I'm always interested in promotions.

  • FrankTheTankFrankTheTank Posts: 1,535

    Saint Valentine was tortured and beheaded for marrying soldiers against the will of Rome, because they wanted them for the battlefield. So combining horror with romance makes more sense than chocolates, which is nothing but a 20th century Hallmark inversion of reality.

  • AsuCafe said:

    Cybersox said:

    Torquinox said:

    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    Just an observation. Since at least the beginning of the year, it seems like there is more anticipation for Quick Grab, Outlet, & even biweekly freebie changeovers than for new core characters, or even new releases in general, with the exception of things like March Madness. And when the changeovers happen there are mostly positive comments about those older items, whereas the newly debuted core characters get a lot of complaints. Mostly justified complaints, IMO, especially about similarities to existing (G9) characters; lack of diversity; stereotyping, especially of jobs. Yes I admit I'm one of those making both types of comments.

    I observe the same. I agree with the argument that the premier program is perhaps causing the core figure line to suffer. And the OS/QG program is mostly made of goodness.

    Sort of.  It would seem very likely that Premiere Free Bundle business is a contributing factor, and I'm using that phrasing deliberately so that this post doesn't get removed as speculation being represented as fact.  I would, howerver, counter argue that the Premiere Free Bundle could have just as easily been in some part introduced in order to generate more interest in G9 product as the general pricing of DAZ products has continued to escalate.  Note that new G8 only product contines to be introduced on Renderosity and other stores and apparently does quite well, so that would indicate a lot of us still aren't completely sold on G9 as a replacement yet.  (I'm certainly not.)        

    As for the OS and QG sections... ultimately, the secret there is no secret: older product being sold at a fraction of the "when new" price, with even those "when new" often being generally substantially lower than most of the newer products coming into the store. What's not to like?  Granted, there are a few clunkers, but most of it is well worth the money it costs in QG, and with everyone watching their budgets a bit more closely these days, it makes so much more sense than fighting the cart jinga of the typical DAZ "sale".   

    Because of the price, who wouldn't be interested in a product that is cheap, high-quality, and plentiful? However, the core character had to be released as a monthly subscription gift. When there is pressure to deliver the artwork on time, and it is just a gift, it will obviously affect the quality (no longer unique and not desirable to make people want to buy it). I felt the devaluation of "value" when the Pro-Bundle was disassembled.

    I have to pojt out that at most one of the (usually) two character bundles cab be a freebie for any given user,

    The choice between G8 and G9 is still based on money. Investing too much money in G8 items and then wanting to switch to G9 means buying everything again, which is too costly. Although there are many "generation transfer" methods, they are not easy to implement. The only reason I'm currently attracted to G9 is the unique and high-quality character. I really want this character to appear in my story, which means I have to buy all the G8 shapes and various add-ons I've ever bought before in G9, which costs me a lot of money. That's why I'm always interested in promotions.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,084
    edited February 14

    The choice between G8 and G9 is still based on money. Investing too much money in G8 items and then wanting to switch to G9 means buying everything again, which is too costly. Although there are many "generation transfer" methods, they are not easy to implement.

    ...this

    As to the QG and OS. 

    For the former it would be nice there was a more "balanced" selection as it is often rather "top-heavy" with G9 products. Failing that, in the latter's case, rotation of products is increased more frequently (say every month or two).

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,500

    AsuCafe said:

    Cybersox said:

    Torquinox said:

    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    Just an observation. Since at least the beginning of the year, it seems like there is more anticipation for Quick Grab, Outlet, & even biweekly freebie changeovers than for new core characters, or even new releases in general, with the exception of things like March Madness. And when the changeovers happen there are mostly positive comments about those older items, whereas the newly debuted core characters get a lot of complaints. Mostly justified complaints, IMO, especially about similarities to existing (G9) characters; lack of diversity; stereotyping, especially of jobs. Yes I admit I'm one of those making both types of comments.

    I observe the same. I agree with the argument that the premier program is perhaps causing the core figure line to suffer. And the OS/QG program is mostly made of goodness.

    Sort of.  It would seem very likely that Premiere Free Bundle business is a contributing factor, and I'm using that phrasing deliberately so that this post doesn't get removed as speculation being represented as fact.  I would, howerver, counter argue that the Premiere Free Bundle could have just as easily been in some part introduced in order to generate more interest in G9 product as the general pricing of DAZ products has continued to escalate.  Note that new G8 only product contines to be introduced on Renderosity and other stores and apparently does quite well, so that would indicate a lot of us still aren't completely sold on G9 as a replacement yet.  (I'm certainly not.)        

    As for the OS and QG sections... ultimately, the secret there is no secret: older product being sold at a fraction of the "when new" price, with even those "when new" often being generally substantially lower than most of the newer products coming into the store. What's not to like?  Granted, there are a few clunkers, but most of it is well worth the money it costs in QG, and with everyone watching their budgets a bit more closely these days, it makes so much more sense than fighting the cart jinga of the typical DAZ "sale".   

    Because of the price, who wouldn't be interested in a product that is cheap, high-quality, and plentiful? However, the core character had to be released as a monthly subscription gift. When there is pressure to deliver the artwork on time, and it is just a gift, it will obviously affect the quality (no longer unique and not desirable to make people want to buy it). I felt the devaluation of "value" when the Pro-Bundle was disassembled.

    The choice between G8 and G9 is still based on money. Investing too much money in G8 items and then wanting to switch to G9 means buying everything again, which is too costly. Although there are many "generation transfer" methods, they are not easy to implement. The only reason I'm currently attracted to G9 is the unique and high-quality character. I really want this character to appear in my story, which means I have to buy all the G8 shapes and various add-ons I've ever bought before in G9, which costs me a lot of money. That's why I'm always interested in promotions.

    Except there's nothing that says you ever HAVE to move to G9... it wasn't that long ago when half of the user base in this hobby opted to stick with the older V4 and M4 over the newer Genesis and V5/M5 as well as the follow up Genesis 2 and V6/M6 and were totally happy with that choice.  Also, note that I intentionally use "move" rather than "upgrade" as G9 isn't a so much a step up product as sidegrade where while you may now get this and this, you also lose this and this... and in this case I think the much ballyhooed unisex G9 has proven to a total bust in terms of encouraging the creation of more male products (If anything, I think G9 may actually the most heavily biased towards female characters of any generation of DAZ figures), while the general consensus is that G8 is the superior of the two when it comes to posing.  And all of that is before one adds in the fact that the newer Genesis 9 products are generally much more expensive and consume more resources.    

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 2,036

    FrankTheTank said:

    Saint Valentine was tortured and beheaded for marrying soldiers against the will of Rome, because they wanted them for the battlefield. So combining horror with romance makes more sense than chocolates, which is nothing but a 20th century Hallmark inversion of reality.

    But Hallmark & chocolates leave a better . . . not bitter, taste in ones mouth.

  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,893

    ArtAngel said:

    FrankTheTank said:

    Saint Valentine was tortured and beheaded for marrying soldiers against the will of Rome, because they wanted them for the battlefield. So combining horror with romance makes more sense than chocolates, which is nothing but a 20th century Hallmark inversion of reality.

    But Hallmark & chocolates leave a better . . . not bitter, taste in ones mouth.

    In my scientific career, I worked as a phlebotomist to get human blood for our experiments and people never appreciate how similar the smell of fresh warm human blood and chocolate milk are.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,507
    edited February 14

    nemesis10 said:

    ArtAngel said:

    FrankTheTank said:

    Saint Valentine was tortured and beheaded for marrying soldiers against the will of Rome, because they wanted them for the battlefield. So combining horror with romance makes more sense than chocolates, which is nothing but a 20th century Hallmark inversion of reality.

    But Hallmark & chocolates leave a better . . . not bitter, taste in ones mouth.

    In my scientific career, I worked as a phlebotomist to get human blood for our experiments and people never appreciate how similar the smell of fresh warm human blood and chocolate milk are.

    does not smell the same to me

    unless your milk is seriously spoiled 

    blood has a very distinct rusty smell I really dislike

    I wouldn't be drinking warm chocolate milk if it smelled like that!

    people actually do smell things differently though so it could smell the same to you

    explains vampires devil 

    Post edited by WendyLuvsCatz on
  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,893

    does not smell the same to me

    unless your milk is seriously spoiled 

    blood has a very distinct rusty smell I really dislike

    I wouldn't be drinking warm chocolate milk if it smelled like that!

    people actually do smell things differently though so it could smell the same to you

    explains vampires devil 

    the blood that I was working with was very fresh and still warm from the person who was drawn. It definitely has a slight metallic smell like meat in general but the overwhelming smell is the sweetness.  We were culturing lymphocytes so we had to draw the blood, place it directly in a CO2 filled incubator, take out tubes and spin them down to form a buffy coat band, remove that cloudy layer and place that in a buffer with fetal calf serum. I ended up with a lot of serum and, unfortunately, I love chocolate milk so I had to wait to drink some until memories of the smell retreated.  Nonetheless, now I am curious: where did you smell blood?  The closest that most people get is smelling that myoglobin filled serum that is in fresh meat from the supermarket (distinctly different smell from fresh blood).

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,507

    nemesis10 said:

    does not smell the same to me

    unless your milk is seriously spoiled 

    blood has a very distinct rusty smell I really dislike

    I wouldn't be drinking warm chocolate milk if it smelled like that!

    people actually do smell things differently though so it could smell the same to you

    explains vampires devil 

    the blood that I was working with was very fresh and still warm from the person who was drawn. It definitely has a slight metallic smell like meat in general but the overwhelming smell is the sweetness.  We were culturing lymphocytes so we had to draw the blood, place it directly in a CO2 filled incubator, take out tubes and spin them down to form a buffy coat band, remove that cloudy layer and place that in a buffer with fetal calf serum. I ended up with a lot of serum and, unfortunately, I love chocolate milk so I had to wait to drink some until memories of the smell retreated.  Nonetheless, now I am curious: where did you smell blood?  The closest that most people get is smelling that myoglobin filled serum that is in fresh meat from the supermarket (distinctly different smell from fresh blood).

    cuts, blood noses (too many), heavy periods etc, my father haemoraging from cancer

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,084
    edited February 14

    ...G8 lasted about 5 years.  Same for Gen4....well, primarily Vicky.  However, Mike, Aiko, Stephanie, the Girl and the Kids all later got the "upgrade" to 4.

    Indeed those were good times as Daz3.1 had some new capabilities which included a morph follower (that helped to smooth out clothing fits) and the "figure mixer" which allowed one to combine two characters, though it made for a really "heavy" character as it was basically two figures merged together.

    Granted, I was one or those who held back when Daz4 and Genesis were released, not so much because I didn't care for the Genesis concept, but I was working on an old 32 bit notebook running Xp which had very limited resources compared to a 64 bit desktop at the time.  Hence rendering even in 3DL was slow and often fraught with crashes (and I avoided UberEnvironment as it would exceed the available memory and sometimes result in a thermal shutdown of the CPU).

    Once I built my first dedicated 64 bit desktop system I went "all in" with Genesis and never looked back. No more character-dedicated clothing that required using third party converters to swap between characters (that often were hit or miss). It was even easy to cross fit between the genders as like G9,  the base G1 figure was androgynous   The best part by far was being able to combine aspects and shapes of different characters together to create new more customised and personal characters without needing a modelling programme

    G9 with all the changes (some that broke compatibility with older generations) just didn't seem as interesting partcularly as a few of the tools I use for cross generation mixing were no longer updated.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,480

    I wrote a lot more than I'm posting here. I don't want to blather, but I want to say this: I find G9 is not really more expensive for me. I do Daz on a budget. I dragged my feet on G9, but I still accrued G9 stuff at ultra-bargain prices and as freebies. So now, without really trying, I have a fair amount of G9 stuff. I did make an effort to get a certain amount of quality of life add-ons for G9. Some of the G9 stuff is just gorgeous! The most immediate price for that seems to be storage space on my drives. That's not unique to G9, but G9 seems to be a lot heavier than earlier generations. That's not even really surprising, but it's a consideration. Do I really want to install 5Gb(!) for a texture pack? Um, no - Not really. But if I want to use the textures, then I probably have to do it. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,084

    ...the only G9 characters that interested me were those by PAs like RawArt and Oso3d as they can pretty much stand on their own without t need for a lot of other support content save for the basics/essentials.

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 3,275

    kyoto kid said:

    As to the QG and OS. 

    For the former it would be nice there was a more "balanced" selection as it is often rather "top-heavy" with G9 products. Failing that, in the latter's case, rotation of products is increased more frequently (say every month or two).

    In fairness, though, G9 is super scant in the Outlet store. As far as I can discern, QG is meant as a shot at Outlet pricing for products that are generally more recent, but the catch is that you only have a week to pick them up. So having an offering that includes more G8 would disadvantage G9 users even more than they already are, as far as overall percentage between the two sections goes. 

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,765

    nemesis10 said:

    does not smell the same to me

    unless your milk is seriously spoiled 

    blood has a very distinct rusty smell I really dislike

    I wouldn't be drinking warm chocolate milk if it smelled like that!

    people actually do smell things differently though so it could smell the same to you

    explains vampires devil 

    the blood that I was working with was very fresh and still warm from the person who was drawn. It definitely has a slight metallic smell like meat in general but the overwhelming smell is the sweetness.  We were culturing lymphocytes so we had to draw the blood, place it directly in a CO2 filled incubator, take out tubes and spin them down to form a buffy coat band, remove that cloudy layer and place that in a buffer with fetal calf serum. I ended up with a lot of serum and, unfortunately, I love chocolate milk so I had to wait to drink some until memories of the smell retreated.  Nonetheless, now I am curious: where did you smell blood?  The closest that most people get is smelling that myoglobin filled serum that is in fresh meat from the supermarket (distinctly different smell from fresh blood).

    I don't notice it when it's my blood, but when I donate it slightly does. My own has a metallic taste and a slight metallic smell with a hint of sweetness to it. I was a police officer for 10 years before becoming disabled from a car accident, so while on the job, I've smelled all the different stages of smells blood gives off. I don't fancy the end stage of blood.

  • The  free Premier bundle was my favorite tier perk, and usually the only reason I subscribed off & on. Note past tense. When Premier began, I didn't have a lot of G9 content and it was only a few alien/fantasy characters. I liked what G9 I owned well enough to be interested in getting more, & a free bundle that cost more than the subscription was a no-brainer. I now have 20 G9 core characters, all but a handful being a free bundle choice & maybe 2 not fantasy or SF themed.

    Now? The new releases (except for the Valenia add-on) haven't interested me for a while, and none of the handful of older releases is in my WL. This is before we get to how much the bundles and the selection (now under 10 vs 20) have shrunk. 

     

  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 3,527

    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    Just an observation. Since at least the beginning of the year, it seems like there is more anticipation for Quick Grab, Outlet, & even biweekly freebie changeovers than for new core characters, or even new releases in general, with the exception of things like March Madness. And when the changeovers happen there are mostly positive comments about those older items, whereas the newly debuted core characters get a lot of complaints. Mostly justified complaints, IMO, especially about similarities to existing (G9) characters; lack of diversity; stereotyping, especially of jobs. Yes I admit I'm one of those making both types of comments.

    I'm noticing the same thing, and I also feel the same way. For me, the reason is that since the start of the new year, the store (again, from my personal POV only!) has taken such a turn for the worse that I mostly don't even know what to buy. Almost everything is sexy stuff now, and virtually everything a rendition of something we already have a hundred times over, but worse. All the sales are structured the exact same way. Nobody at all seems to be checking copy texts anymore. I feel like the only actual people working for this enterprise are the wonderful mods. 

    My spending is almost down to zero. I'm waiting for my membership to run out this month.  

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