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I did some tracking but not enough to provide decent data for the full survey.
Incidentally, my "flower and plant" idea worked really well and I got WL-advent-freebie Martin J Frost items present every day for the last week or so of the event (I now have most of a meadow!)
Thanks @joanna & co for the added entertainment to what was already (and still is) my fav sale of the year
Still, if you feel like it, share! As far as I understand, all the data points will be put together anyway to show a general range, not ranges for indivual users.
I got a lot of great pose sets the same way. Normally, I wouldn't buy them (except for Outlet or QuickGrab), because posing is something that you can ultimately do yourself, but as freebies? I'll take those shortcuts in the workflow ;)
You're welcome! The thread was great thanks to the participating users sharing their information, guesses, and even picks. Hopefully we get to do it next year as well!
SilverGirl do you have the deadline for data? I was on a slow brain (some real life issues got to me at the end of the month) and didn't register that the calendar would disappear by the end of the month, so I'll have to go and manually check my orders to pull data, so it might take a few days. (Mostly freebies, but a few paid ones too.)
Paid:
SKU range=51693-92213
Price range=$14.99-27.99
Free:
SKU range=58983-83841
Price range=$15.95-22.95
Agreed.
If it had been the case where the free item was free to everyone regardless of purchase history, that's one thing. I'd be disappointed, but I wouldn't be upset, per se. But this is no different than if they decided not to offer the coupons for membership one month, or if they skipped a week on the free-with-subscription item.
I understand if it was a glitch they just couldn't chase down (due to staff, complexity, whatever). Things happen, tech malfunctions and all that. But they need to then offer an orange banner with a code for a free item that meets the restrictions of the selection (DO but not D+, SKU range, price range) to compensate for it.
I can save you some fuss:
https://www.daz3d.com/2025-holiday-sale still works, and I just checked... clicking on an item for the day takes you to the page.
FOR A DEADLINE: I picked Monday with the thought that likely everyone who wanted to contribute would do it over the weekend, but I'm not wedded to the pick. If anyone prefers a later day, I'd be fine with waiting. More data's better, it's not time sensitive, and we're all adults with lives and responsibilities and stuff. Goodness knows it's just as likely something will come up on Monday and I won't be able to get to the computer that day anyway.
I hope your real-life stuff is easing up for you. <3
I only have free data from what I actually collected during the month - I didn't do any paid items. I also missed several days early on, and I wasn't keeping track of paid offers.. I got a freebie on 12/31, though the outcome was not great for having 3 punches.
SKU range: 5618(!)-82300
Price range: $13.95-$23.95.
Free Items (20)
SKU Range: 57939 to 82744
MSRP Range: $18.95 to $24.95
Paid Items (10, all $2.99)
SKU Range: 79980 to 90007
MSRP Range: $19.99 to $29.99
All told, the calendar netted me $684.66 worth of items for $32.89.
Of these, 11 were clothing items, 6 were figures, 5 were hairs, 3 were sets/environments, 3 were texture sets, and two were shaders. Two of the three texture sets were for items I already owned, and the third ended up working out when the item it is tied to was offered as a calendar item as well.
My wishlist entered the month with about 800 items. At least a couple of the late month advent offerings were items I had added to my wishlist during the month of December, which was neat.
This year, I kept track of what I got, free or paid. I may have screenshots of last year advent calendar somewhere, but it would only be useful to track what I got (mostly free items with a couple of paid ones).
30 Free items:
The most recent free item was released at the beginning of December 2021 (and I remember getting it last year as a paid option).
30 Paid items:
The most recent item offered was released at the end of November 2023.
The last day, it was bugged so despite keeping 3 punches from start to finish, I only got a paid product: I kept it outside of the data, because it has a very low SKU (the lowest actually 49491), but maybe it's what Daz said when they were speaking about getting better products. It's from my wishlist thought, added after the base outfit was part of the bi-weekly freebies a couple of months ago.
Unlike the previous years, I didn't get any paid items because none felt right to get.
Overall all items (free or paid) were from my wishlist, either products that were there from the start, or products I added during the month. Some were added because I would not mind getting them, to refill the pool, other because I would be happy to have them to complement a base clothing products.
In the end, I got:
I didn't keep track of the items I was offered but didn't choose, so here's the data from what I did purchase from my advent calendar. I chose the paid option for the majority of them (many were used to keep up my daily punches), because I'm working primarily with G9 and wanted the newer items. No data from 12/31, since I was only offered a paid item I didn't want. Everything I was offered came from my wishlist.
12 Free Items:
18 Paid Items:
I got a good mix of things across all categories, but I did notice I got a lot of texture sets offered to me for items I didn't already own. If we get to do this again in 2026, I'll certainly take joanna's excellent advice and remove those texture sets from my wishlist before December so I get offered only things I can use.
Overall, it was a fun sale for me and I spent a bunch of money on lots of cheap stuff. My bank account is much happier for the return to 'regular' Daz sales. Maybe I can build it back up a bit before March Madness.
@SilverGirl Uh, maybe you shouldn't have mentioned membership coupons. Since I saw posts a few minutes ago that they still aren't working. LOL
Note, I am totally joking. I don't think the coupon issue is anything but a glitch or that SG jinxed it.
SilverGirl thanks for that link. It did speed things up (though I still had to double check some items as I didn't remember whether they were paid or free).
I didn't track all the items, so my paid range is much more limited (some 4 items vs. 25), and I missed two days: on one, I was deciding which item to get and in the end, forgot to put any in the cart (yeah, I know :D ). I also missed the 31st, because I was one of the accounts that had the Glitch.
Here's my data.
Free:
Paid:
All of my items were from my wishlist, but I do have quite an extensive one, though when you look at Daz Originals only, it was around 400 products, and of course many of them elligible, but clearly enough to have them listed. I'm thinking I had at least 100-150 elligible items.
What I got for free was a pleasant mix of poses, plants, and textures mostly for items I already own (I removed textures for those I don't own; time to add them back), a character addon, outfits, a few props, and some hair.
Looks like I won for lowest SKU. Even so, it was on my WL, and I do like the item.
Data
Paid For
87571 to 92288
12.99 to 26.99
Average of 20.32 an item over 15 items - Includes 1 I recorded but did not pick
Freebie
58091 to 72145
15.49 to 24.95
Average of 18.19 an item over 19 items - Includes 7 I recorded but did not pick
In total I spent 41.86 and received 497.88 of products - that's a (Daz) Discount of 91.6%... 0.4% less than I might usually bite at but a very great deal more fun
(That total spent doesn't include products purchased on "freebie days" but then the products received total doesn't include those products either!)
@SilverGirl - https://www.daz3d.com/2025-holiday-sale <-- Thanks for the very helpful retro link
Free:
sku from 45685 to 82458
71% over 60000
47% over 70000
price range: $15.95-$23.95
Paid
sku from 87558 to 92403
price range: $21.99-$29.99
Most of the items came from the wish list, except for one day in the middle of the calendar and three days toward the end, when I saw items not on the list. However, in the first case, the list of eligible items had dropped below 120 total, which seems to me to be the limit below which the system chooses items outside the wish list. I then added more eligible items to both the freebies and cheapies pools, but without removing the previous ones (which are in the wish list because they interest me and I will buy them sooner or later), and the selection returned to my wish list.
Toward the end, the number of eligible items seemed right, over 120, but perhaps the selection was difficult, because most had already been offered to me and could not be chosen.
I only have a partial track of the items offered and not chosen, but they are within the ranges mentioned.
With this method, I was able to purchase many of the items I really liked, although sometimes it was difficult to choose and I would have taken both items. I'm very happy with the purchases I made, even if it emptied my credit.
Thanks to Joanna for creating this forum thread and to all the participants. All the suggestions in this forum were very helpful in organizing the WL and obtaining the desired items.
Wow, thanks for the data and detailed accountings, everyone! I'll still accept more, but preliminary summary below. I'm just going by the commonly shared data as the other breakdowns -- while awesome!! -- weren't consistently enough provided to be able to generalize. Also, info's still there in original posts if folk want to look.
Free:
Paid:
Overall it was noted that the minimum level of eligible items to get an offering from WL seemed to be about 120. @emanuela, this number was from your post; could you clarify if that was 120 total or 120 for each category?
Overall it was also noted that items added to one's WL during December often showed up a couple days later. It might be that the coding prioritizes recent adds. This is based on the thought that if, say, 120 is the cutoff and you dip to 115, add 5, the odds of getting one of those 5 (vs. the other 115) should still be low enough it wouldn't be that consistently observed. From personal experience, my WL never dipped low enough to get offered non-WL items, but things added still showed up a couple days later, which would support the theory.
Overall folk who were getting WL-related offerings noted that it was a good mix of categories. So it's *likely* the coding doesn't have a priority for one type of item over another after the initial "on your WL" requirement is met. (I find it unlikely that the coding would involve the level of complexity to ensure diversity, so I'm guessing a random pick from a reasonably diverse wishlist would create reasonable diversity.)
I checked and among the items I bought in 2024 and 2023, three were over $30. Looking at a couple of screenhots I did in 2023, I was offered two other items over $30 as the paid option. I don't have screenshots from 2024.
In 2023, I got multiple free items priced at $25.95 while in 2024, the highest free item was priced at $24.95. I don't know if it's because Daz lowered the highest price possible for free items since 2023, or if it was because my wishlist was many time smaller than it currently is.
In 2023, the most recent free item was from the beginning of December 2020 and in 2023, it was from the end of november 2021.
Good to know! I really wish I'd kept track of my 2023's and 2024's, but... live and learn, I guess!
I'll add your observations to my final post, just for ease of reference. I think it's good to note progression, when it's possible.
I did it the old fashioned way: I opened all my December 2023 and 2024 orders
3 punches
Free range: 57611 - 83454 | MSRP: $13.95 - $24.95
Paid range: 81060 - 92381 | MSRP: $9.99 - $27.95
Summary
Free:
* $13.95 - $24.95
* SKU 57611 - 83454
Paid:
* $9.99 - $27.95
* SKU 81060 - 92381
LOL Yeah if I add that to my to-do list, I might get it done by NEXT December.
My 2023 would be pretty useless anyway. I got a lot of stuff that wasn't on my list because there really wasn't much on my list at that point. I was still in the process of figuring out my backside from a hole in the ground. =P
I actually had 2 items above $30 for the paid option and multiple items at $24.95 for the free option.
The free option SKU range differed depending on the number of punches I had:
I had 109 DO items in the beginning in the SKU range of about 50000 to 92500, I trimmed it down to 68 items in the final week, tightening the range to 80000 to 92500 and price range 17.95 to 24.95 at that point to try to influence what items I would get free. I still got all items from my wishlist until the very end. The key is really maintaining 3 Punches the whole time. I think it definitely gives you greater influence over selection, higher SKU range, higher average base price. I doubt you need more than 75 items if you maintain 3 Punches and your items are in the sweet spot for the SKU and price range the whole time.
I didn't care about paid items, it was never worth it to buy anything for $2.99 when everything has been cheaper than that at some point, but you can see all the data attached. And 2 of those paid items were for $34.95 and $31.95 but it still wasn't worth it even for them. I wish I knew about the importance of maintaining 3 Punches last year. I got nothing that I wanted last year because I played it cheap and just bought an item every 3 days to maintain 1 Punch. That was a big mistake, this year proved that to me.
Also of note is that Gift Card purchases did count as Punches this year. They didn't show up visually with an indicator but they did count towards cart discounts and Nice List items. I maintained 3 Punched on most days simply by buting Gift Cards over $1 as seen in the first column.
updated to include ranges:
1 punches (3 of 5 NOT on wishlist)
Free range: 16841 - 31393 | MSRP: $10.95 - $16.95
Paid range: 56547 - 57551 | MSRP: $15.95 - $19.95
2 punches (all on wishlist)
Free range: 33649 - 57089 | MSRP: $15.95 - $19.95
Paid range: 65785 - 81420 | MSRP: $10.94 - $24.95
3 punches (all on wishlist)
Free range: 62329 - 83424 | MSRP: $16.95 - $24.95
Paid range: 80750 - 92155 | MSRP: $11.95 - $34.95
Summary
Free:
* $10.95 - $24.95
* SKU 16841 - 83424
I seriously doubt that the number of punches mattered.
First, I maintained 3 punches throughout the sale and my selection seems within what everyone else got. And I think there were more people here who also kept 3 punches.
Second, I've seen people with three punches and smaller selection of items complain in the sales thread that they got items outside of their selection.
To me, that's something that would have to be tested with two accounts with identical wishlists, and one maintaining three punches throughout, and the other fluctuating (but always having at least one, so the free option is there). Otherwise, I can't see any solid proof that the amount of punches mattered.
You have your full list of items (free & paid, irrespective of what you chose) here: daz3d.com/customer/deals/advent/history.
You can collect the data manually from there or just use this quick&dirty thing I created to build a summary from that data (you'll need to copy paste it manually).
My summary:
0 punches
Free range: (nothing)
Paid range: 50847 - 50847 | MSRP: $19.95 - $19.95
1 punches
Free range: 23975 - 23975 | MSRP: $16.95 - $16.95
Paid range: 47761 - 47761 | MSRP: $15.95 - $15.95
2 punches
Free range: 50443 - 50471 | MSRP: $15.95 - $19.95
Paid range: 61911 - 63371 | MSRP: $20.95 - $22.95
3 punches
Free range: 57429 - 83459 | MSRP: $11.95 - $24.95
Paid range: 83578 - 92403 | MSRP: $11.95 - $26.99
Summary
Free:
* $11.95 - $24.95
* SKU 23975 - 83459
Paid:
* $11.95 - $26.99
* SKU 47761 - 92403
Yup. And even then, as things theoretically are random, it could still be luck of the draw. We'd need more than one person running that same experiment for it to hold any predictive power. The best we have is the conglomerate, and I'm with you @joanna that the advertising about more punches = better just referred to whether you got the freebie or not. I had three punches the whole time, and one of my offerings was the bottom range in one of the categories. (Still on my WL, but if punches mattered, that shouldn't have happened.)
Even just from a practical perspective... think of the coding that would have to go into making it work like that. Now think about how successful Daz tends to be with complex coding. And also think of how little incentive there would be to put in the extra work when there's no easy way to tell if you're actually getting something (subjectively) better or not. I just don't see it happening.
Now, if they came out with text that stated something specific and measurable (i.e. "1 punch gets you a freebie of MSRP XXX or less, 2 gets you a freebie of MSRP YYYY or less..") I would be inclined to think they had tried to differentiate (success.... well... *gestures at everything*).
And no way in heck am I suggesting a smaller WL pool to people if it could cost them the chance to get something they want. The idea behind my guidance will be to give people the best possible chance, not the absolute minimum chance. If folk want to go lower, of course they can, but at least then the consequences will be because of their choices and not because I steered them wrong.
Whoa! This is helpful. Thank you!
Agreed! Very cool!!
One caveat, which isn't a flaw with the code... but my Dec 31 item showed up as 0 punches paid (easy to tell, as I had 3 punches throughout and the MSRP and SKU was one number on both the low and high ends)
Here's mine, with that one weirdo removed:
3 punches
Free range: 53347 - 83193 | MSRP: $15.95 - $24.95
Paid range: 64461 - 91979 | MSRP: $11.95 - $29.99
ETA: how hard would it be to get it to kick out how many days for each level of punches? Like: 2 punches, 7 entries, range = SKU and MSRP
I do not code, so I'm not sure if this is asking for a "oh that would take two seconds" or "oh my gosh are you kidding me??" request. But knowing could make a difference in the data
Agreed. Everything points to a relatively simple algorithm running the advent calendar, starting at: "do you have enough qualifying items on your wishlist?" [Y/N] and then proceeding to pick the item within the range either from the list or the whole based on the initial query.
Yeah, I'm fine with people wanting to take perosnal gambles or even not play with their wishlists at all and leave it to chance, but the purpose of this thread wasn't about maximizing to get the best products but about ensuring everyone can get something they want or at least would consider. Even the items I decided not to get (paid or free), brought a smile on my face, because all came from my wishlist, and I'd be happy getting them.
Also, let me know when you're ready for me to paste the info you collected (thank you for the work, by the way; I just posted a thread, and it feels like everyone else did the work :) ) into the main post (I'll also link up the source comment).
Will do! I'll make the final report of objective data and lessons learned/educated guesses a bit nicer than the preliminary one I posted above. If you (or whomever) starts a thread like this next year and wants to use it there, too, in some form... preemptive permission given. :)
Thank you! If I'm going to be the one to start it, I'll likely keep similar format, quote everything, and link back to this thread too.