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Well, it strikes me that they had DS4.8 and Iray all new and shiny, but wait, no new shiny figure!? Bing! Enter G3!
I think Daz are attempting to sweeten the pill by offering 60% off G2 stuff if you buy V7 right now. That said, the latecomers to the party like Ninive et al will get short shrift and their pro bundles will likely end up being the sum total of their available content much like D5.
Is it also possible that G3 works better with Iray so they have yet another reason to want us to use it!?
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the hair should be under starter essentials also
they forgot
It is, that's where I got it from.
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the hair should be under starter essentials also
they forgot
It is, that's where I got it from.
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if you go to products starter essentials G3f it is not there
If one were to upgrade to G3 though, what would be the point in splashing out on more G2 stuff, even with the discount? From what I can see G3 items are not backwards compatible with the G2 figure and G2 items are a little dicey with the G3 figure (such as shoes).
I see this as a choice - I either spend a lot of money to upgrade to G3 and just write-off most of my recent expensive G2 purchases, or I stick with the G2 items I already have and drastically cut back on all my Daz expenditure for the next year or so.
I'm leaning towards the latter.
Edit: I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that some PAs are going to continue to support G2 for a while yet!
Make sure the plane primitive has enough polygons/vertices and the clothes will not fall through ...
It's packaged within the bundle it's not a separate download. It is in the G2F Starter Essentials as far as I can recall too.
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It's just bad PR. Such a beautiful character to be overshadowed by such poor communication.
Emphasis should have been on not only it's new features but how we can still use the recent stuff we've bought on her.
I'm buying her because I expected a new figure due to the pattern of figure releases.
I've been studying her all night and I really like what I see. :)
Though I just wish the news/release was handled differently so that we could all be as excited for the change.
I feel bad for the PAs that are losing potential sales due to the feelings of being slighted. :(
If one were to upgrade to G3 though, what would be the point in splashing out on more G2 stuff, even with the discount? From what I can see G3 items are not backwards compatible with the G2 figure and G2 items are a little dicey with the G3 figure (such as shoes).
I see this as a choice - I either spend a lot of money to upgrade to G3 and just write-off most of my recent expensive G2 purchases, or I stick with the G2 items I already have and drastically cut back on all my Daz expenditure for the next year or so.
I'm leaning towards the latter.
Edit: I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that some PAs are going to continue to support G2 for a while yet!
Same here. I don't even want to think of how much I've spent on G2 stuff, and now all of a sudden, here's G3! Considering this is largely a hobby for me (since I only really use Daz for references/assists on things like perspective, lighting, et al in art), this sudden release of V7 has prompted me to rethink how I spend my money here... at most, I'll just stick to buying props and environments from now on, rather than figures. Because I don't want to respend on even more figure-related stuff (body morphs, creature creator and add-ons, adjustment/fixes for clothes and poses, et al) for the new shiny.
From the DAZ side of things, what are they supposed to do? Not release items for G2 in the month approaching the new figure? Or release items with a big sign saying don't buy these, there's a new figure coming soon! I'm being a bit facetious here, but I don't think that the PA's would like those options either.
Basically there's no good way to go about it as far as I can see.
Anyway I still plan on using G2 for plenty of things its not like she's broken.
Agreed - V7 is a very nice figure and if they'd been upfront about the fact that this was coming (I'm newish to Daz, so don't know how to anticipate these releases) then I would've saved my pennies and been more on board with it. Its not that I can't afford to upgrade (I have plenty of money); its that I object to the way they stealth-released this to maximise their G2 sales before its inevitably dropped. If there had been some warning then I could've made a decision a while back about whether to continue down the G2 road or wait for the upgrade. As it is I outright refuse to abandon the G2 content I've bought now.
They announced Iray a few months in advance and I seriously doubt that G3 was an overnight development. I really don't see why they couldn't have done the same here.
This thought did cross my mind. As of today the multi-billion dollar DAZ Corp have effectively decreed that Genesis 2 is obsolete. End of line. Done. Finito. And this just as the platform was really starting to gain a lot of traction with vendors outside the DAZiverse.
There needs to be a better business model that gives the customer something back. How about an annual subscription that, all the while it's being paid, you automatically receive all new upgrades to the base figures? Something better than this deliberately planned obsolescence!
Someone will..
I'm just going to say you need to see them. I wasn't ready. o.O
Buy the pro pack if you can.
EDIT: Please do the same to the G3 male plz. ;)
Yes, they should have released the new G2 products whilst simultaneously promoting the upcoming release of G3. If that stopped some people from buying the G2 stuff then thats consumer power for you. There is a good way to go about it and thats by being honest with your customers, otherwise how are we supposed to trust them?
If one were to upgrade to G3 though, what would be the point in splashing out on more G2 stuff, even with the discount? From what I can see G3 items are not backwards compatible with the G2 figure and G2 items are a little dicey with the G3 figure (such as shoes).
I see this as a choice - I either spend a lot of money to upgrade to G3 and just write-off most of my recent expensive G2 purchases, or I stick with the G2 items I already have and drastically cut back on all my Daz expenditure for the next year or so.
I'm leaning towards the latter.
Edit: I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that some PAs are going to continue to support G2 for a while yet!
Regarding the G2 content, for hair and clothes there is autofit so all isn't entirely lost and shoes aren't often expensive. There is still a fair old back catalogue of G2 stuff which I'm sure not everybody owns. As for PA's doing new G2 stuff, mmm, unlikely as they have probably already been working away on G3 for some months now.
Here's G3F with autofitted clothes, looks ok to me...
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I can't afford to start all over again with Genesis 3 either. I'm in Content Overload. I haven't even recreated my character in G2M yet. I wouldn't be jumping until G3M came out but with the expenses of iRay I doubt I will be even if I didn't feel burnt out. So I hope M7 Pro is 70% off by Christmas - well I can dream :-) (Assuming he doesn't have Man-Boobs like M6 - if he does not even 70% off will be enough). I would like a seriously upgraded to Autofit first across more generations without having to buy PA products to take some of the pain out of another generation so soon :-( This hobby is just getting too expensive.
Hey guys,
just a stupid question: Where I can find an IRAY shader for Genesis 3 Female?
It that only in the V7 (bundle)?
thank you :)
I probably did. They probably came with the Pro bundle and didn't cost me extra cash. (Didn't come up in new items in the shop either, or I might have noticed it.)
As I said, I think this is a cash-grab exercise and I'm displeased.
And I'm stupid enough that I'll go out and pick up the extra component. I hate it when a company knows my weakness.
It's particularly disappointing when you consider how G2 seemed like it was starting to really hit its stride. I know there haven't been any discussions about it, but the new release of Ryder was essentially what I was hoping Cory would be and looks like he'll make a great heroic cartoon character. The Monique and Darius figures were very compelling ethnic realisations (I couldn't afford them at the time, but they're on my wish-list, for sure) and Nineve finally gave me the sort of mediaeval facial shape I was needing.
In retrospect, it now makes sense why they were literally giving away Lilith/Olympia/Stephanie and their HD morphs for free in a sale, a few months ago!
Consumers do have some power in this kind of situation.
Want continued support for all that money you have invested in G2? Then don't buy in to or support G3.
It really is that simple.
This is all about money and that, in the end, is what the customer controls.
I have to agree here. G3 really isn't needed yet. And Genesis 2 was finally getting some of the V4 holdouts to finally convert. On top of the fact that some of what came with G2F you have to pay for with G3F, It just doesn't seem worth it.
I probably did. They probably came with the Pro bundle and didn't cost me extra cash. (Didn't come up in new items in the shop either, or I might have noticed it.)
As I said, I think this is a cash-grab exercise and I'm displeased.
And I'm stupid enough that I'll go out and pick up the extra component. I hate it when a company knows my weakness.
Not stupid ... the G2F morphs never were in a Pro Bundle either.
I guess it's going to be part of tomorrow's realeases.
let me do some math:
To play a bit and be able to start doing what I want, wich should be a minimum, I need: (pc price)
V7 67$
Morph (body+face) 28
expression 14$
aging (20?)
grow up (20?)
creature creator G3F (30?)
pose builder (23$)
and that, just to start to play and hoping my whole library will fit to g3 (more than 750 products according to dim)
that is: more than 200$
Lets add G3M, because my worl is populated by females AND males (and creatures etc...)
We are at a stating point of 400$.
WTF????who can afford that in a such short notice? Professionals, yes but not all of them. And it is just a stating point. Because it seems that there are some incompatibilities with V4/G1 difficulties with G2 etc...
Add to that a total blackout of communication of the daz officials and you got the answer: NO. just NO.
I hope they improved the chest issues with G3M. Sometimes you don't want your male figure to have defined pecs.
Thanks for the image Rogerbee :) Yeah, I've played around with it a bit and its somewhat hit and miss. Like I say, footwear is the big miss when it comes to using G2 items on the G3 figure and I really don't want to have to discard all my old G2 footwear. However, due to how limiting autofit is I've also run into other problems with clothing more complex than bikinis.
Plus theres the issue of no backwards compatibility for G3 items on a G2 figure.
If they manage to sort out all these problems and G3 and G2 items can be used interchangeably, then I'm totally on board with G3. But as that never happened with G1 to G2 I'm not holding my breath.
There are 2 main issues as far as I see it:
1) I flatly refuse to let any of the G2 items I've forked out on become obsolete to me. I'm not into throwing money away.
2) I'm worried that artists will drop support for G2 altogether and start focusing on G3 items which are not backwards compatible with G2.
If they address both of these issues, then I don't have a problem with G3.
What hits me as even worse is that we're gonna have to wait 'till - like January for Michael 7 so here comes another 7 months without anything remotely interesting when it comes to male clothes not to mention male figures. Because how many of you think there's gonna be another M6 character now?
And we're still not having the M6 bot armor or any nice M6 leather jacket or ditto long coat or Arab outfit or hazmat outfit and the steampunk, gothic and scifi wardrobes are echoing with emptyness.
OK DAZ need to sell stuff, so they can pay their salaries and the content makers all need to eat I understand that as well too. At the same time I have my wishlist full of nice little V6 dresses and shoes and hair and other gems which will probably be deleted by now. + that I imagine that I'll be more careful with content in the future. After all I have a truckload with caucasian female figures like Dawn and Angela etc with about 3 or 4 outfits each and very little use for since they soon become obsolete and unversatile. So if I bother with V7 I imagine I'll not be getting any extensive figures or pro bundles to go with them.
Yeah, for me it's way too soon for a new generation. But this is not unexpected. There is nothing new under the sun. Every generation has a finite repertoire of morphs, textures, expressions, fashions, and characters and once they run through that, and the well starts to run dry it's time to dig a new well and advertise the sweeter water of a new generation. Meanwhile that gives them new fodder for huge discount sales on yesterday's products. :-S
I've sort of settled into the pattern of being one generation behind. When a new generation comes out I take advantage of the sales on the previous generation repertoire but once I stop kvetching about the un-need for the latest generation I slowly start adopting it just in time for the next generation. Unfortunately it seems it works that way in real life for me too. Just about the time I adopted the bell bottom pants of the 60s, it was passé. Just about the time I grew my hair long trying to be a Hippie, the rednecks took over the style. >:(
Of course you know where this DAZ one-upsmanship cycle will end don't you? Genesis666 will be complete virtual immersion. You'll put on the helmet, and become a god in your own virtual world while being fed and evacuated via tubes a-la-Matrix. :gulp:
Who is telling you to spend all your money now!? You can buy what you want when you want and take advantage of special offers. Just because something is new doesn't mean that you absolutely positively on pain of death have to have it that second. Just get what you can afford when you can afford it. I've been doing that since day one and have got what I wanted.
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Have you tried saying that to Apple junkies? Be prepared to run.
Wanted to say congratulations to the vendors- very nicely done! :)