Genesis 2 Catsuits (Commercial?)
the3dwizard
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So, I have had a request to make a catsuit like the one I did for A3. http://www.daz3d.com/aiko-3-0-ultra-catsuit
Toying with the idea of doing one so asking the simple question, what would you like to see in a catsuit?
Brainstorm here and shoot me some ideas. Who knows what might happen.
Thanks!
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Okay, since you asked... the things I would like would probably be kind of a pain to do. Adjustable chest and sleeves. For example an outfit that would look good both zipped and/or buttoned up, or open, and sleeves that could look pulled/rolled up. For instance, say it was a skintight uniform, that would look good closed, but if they were working on something, the collar/upper chest might be open, and the sleeves pulled up near the elbows, for instance the "bunching" or whatever you would call it, you would see if you pulled up the sleeves of a long-sleeved t-shirt or pullover.
I have to ask, with so many catsuits on the market and with autofit, is it really worth the effort? If yes, then look at what the others have and add what they don't have.
...have a request for a different item, however not on any of the social nets so not sure where to make it.
I have to second Mr Gneiss guy. The ability for it to morph is almost as important to me as good textures. I like your Jeanz stuff because they do include some morphs in them and would like to see a Catsuit that has similar morphs available.
For me, I like the ability to add wrinkles at the elbows, knees shoulders, etc to look a bit more real.
I like the mat zones of the A3 suit, but I'd like to see a few more for the head and face area, like one that leaves the top exposed for hair. A larger mat zone to do a large inverted triangle on the chest and upper body area would be nice, too.
I like the way TimG thinks and will second everything he requested.
I was also wondering if it would be possible to model and use displacement maps to give the catsuit the option of a zipper that runs from the throat, down the center of the front, and up the back to the tail-bone. I'd be even happier if the zipper was modeled so that it split the entire catsuit in half. The idea here is that I want to be able to create my own morphs to make the zipper open as far, as wide, and from the front or back, as I choose... without using transparency maps to achieve the same effect. I want to be able to manipulate the model far more then I could with just transparency maps to open or unzip the suit. The normal state of the zipper would be closed and unseen, but I wouldn't object to a few morphs to open it down to the base of the throat, to mid breast, to just below the navel, or down the back to the tailbone. I think it would be advantageous to use displacement maps and/or morphs to alter the front or back visibility and length of the zipper. Again, the default state of the zipper would be closed and unseen (smoothed out so that it looked like the catsuit had no zipper at all). Oh, and I don't think it is necessary to model the individual zipper teeth. I would be perfectly happy if maps were used to define the zipper teeth so long as I could manipulate the model and place my own modeled zipper teeth on it for close-up renders.
Sooo... Am I asking too much? Is everyone staring at my post now thinking I am insane? :-P
I'd say yes PLEASE create them!
Pretty funny note, I was just speaking to another vendor the other day about how DAZ should have you make the official suits lol :)
Although there are other bodysuits on the market - I personally love Gen3 and V4 bodysuits the most.
The ability to share textures on the Gen3 suits, the wrinkle and spandex morphs, the simplified material zones, just to name a few.
I do echo the request for a material zone that leaves the top of the head exposed as to reveal hair on the mask.
I liked the fact that the gloves, mask and socks are attached - makes for excellent complete one-piece superhero suits.
Kind of like the V4 version - we had 4 types ( full, armless, legless, leotard ) which may be a lot to create but maybe incorporate that idea so that select parts can be turned off instead?
All I can think of right now - too super excited, I'm sure I'll be later with more hehe :)
You can never have too many bodysuits. I'm always looking for catsuits with different material zones, detailing, morphs and accessories.
I do have one request, though, If you make a bodysuit with gloves, head, and foot attach, please make a separate version as well. Sometimes all I want is a glove or a mask, without adding a whole suit to go with it.
Third, for a cowl with the top off for hair, content artists seem to forget the fantasy of long flowing hair is a must for most super heroines.
Personally, I'd like to see a bodysuit that can use V4's Bodysuits UV's. With DAZ Studio 4's ability to switch UV's, I was surprise it hasn't been done for Genesis to use M4 and V4 bodysuits.
Yeah, something that has a fair amount of customisability on the user's end would be great. The 4 versions you mentioned (and probably a lot more) could probably be done with one suit, if it had the right mat zones, and perhaps a set of various transparency maps; or even both.
One thing that would be great is if it doesn't have the shrink-wrap issue around the breasts; or maybe a morph to control how much.
Wow! Opened the flood gates with that one. I guess my first question would be do you need or want another catsuit? I guess untill I hear more nays it looks like it is a go.
Thinking about a different approach and posting WIP, features lists, etc. to this thread as I make it so everyone can be involved in the process. However, it could bite me in the behind as I will be open to my competition.
So keep the ideas a coming and I will try to compose a list of what I think I can include in the suit and then get your feedback.
I am actually getting excited about this project!
Cheers!
I'd like a catsuit with a top that looks like there is some support underneath. I don't like the painted on look. yeah, I know there are morphs to accomplish that, but I like it when outfits have a fitted look- even in my catsuits. =-)
When you say Genesis 2 - is this just a female version or are you planning on making versions for both male and female?
Yes please, with cowl, gloves and booties, plenty of mat zones, wrinkle morphs and the zipper would be an excellent idea.... as does the point of having both male and female versions, if possible using the same texture maps. That way the texturers can have a ball too and we'll all be much happier.
That would be great if you could post some of that information, but I perfectly understand your fears about doing so..
:coolsmile:
One material zone that I'd like to see is a belt at the waist and hip. The one accessory that I would like to see more of are belts at the waist and the hip. The belt for the supersuit is pretty good, but I wish there were props to add on it like belt buckles of different shapes and sizes and pouches/containers/clips.
Frankly, you could do a whole series on just making props for a bodysuit. So few capes, different gloves, boots/shoes/ belts, knee/elbow pads, holsters/harness, masks/visors, HELMETS, armor...
If you want design ideas, I got pages I would love to send to you.
Ditto'ng -- with the G2 gender split male/female clothing coordination is important. I'd use something like this on teams of characters, like superheroes, starship crews, and strike forces. It'd be an order of magnitude more useful to me if it came with both G2Male and G2Female versions out of the box, both using the same textures.
The answer to "do you need or want another catsuit", is, yes, if it does things that I want it to do, that the suits I have now do not. :-)
I agree with some of the people above about the creases and wrinkles, with one reservation, one of the things that I didn't like in the V4 body suit was that even if you used the hide seams, or whatever the morph was called, it didn't really hide them completely. I'm not much of a modeler, so I don't know if they have to be there, but sometimes you just want smooth.
I also agree with the poster who said not every part of it has to be skin tight. I have a couple of the cleavage/breast correction morphs, which are okay, but it's nicer for us if that kind of thing is in the base outfit. It also reflects the differences in materials in clothing, for instance, even though two different materials might be skin tight and elastic, one might look painted on, such as latex, or with spandex it might tent, or bridge, or whatever you want to call it.
We don't ask for much, do we? :roll:
But, I can see the concern, we are asking for complexity in an item that would go into a crowded (or should we say tight?) catsuit market. I don't envy you guys the decisions you have to make on product viability, probably with not a lot of metrics to go on rather than gut feelings and forum feedback, which like a lot of forums or discussion boards, are kind of self selecting and may not accurately represent the actual market.
Greetings,
I'm going to raise a hand tentatively, as I think what I want is...a little different than a 'catsuit'.
I have a poster, hanging over my fireplace, signed and all of the cover of Friday by Heinlein. That's a link to a reference image.
Not sure what the right word for that outfit is, but I'd love an outfit that fit that same function, where the zipper(s?) actually worked, for instance.
There's a lot of skin-tight outfits (Street Wear just released an excellent one, for instance) which are great, but the Friday outfit is a little different.
-- Morgan
@Cypherfox... Ooops. Your link to the "Friday" illustration by Micheal Whelan didn't work. At least it didn't work for me. :ohh:
This link should work... "Friday" Open Edition Print ...from Micheal Whelan's website/store.
I've been a long time collector of Whelan's work and since I first spotted this thread that illustration has been in the back of my mind. ;-)
Although it could be called a catsuit, that type of suit is more typically called a jumpsuit.
Thank you for mentioning it. :coolsmile:
Greetings,
Wow... The forum REALLY screws up URLs with spaces in them. I think I've got it fixed now, but I'm loathe to edit it, since each time I edit it, it strips out another layer of quoting. So I had to do '%' followed by 252520 in order to get a space in the url= block. :O
Anyway, YES! Jumpsuit! That's the word... There's a dearth of good jumpsuits out there, especially any with morphs for 'slinky' through 'serious'. ;)
-- Morgan
I'd call it a coverall, even though, in that illustration, it clearly does not. :-)
Lol… Coveralls, Jumpsuits, Rompers, Catsuits… They are all the same and all so different, and to further confuse things there are Overalls. They are all one piece items of clothing that typically cover both the upper and lower torso.
Just for fun… In my experience Coveralls are generally very loose fitting, utilitarian suits that can be worn over other outer-garments, as well as under-garments. Coveralls also sometimes get confused with Overalls, which have open sides and shoulder straps instead of the typical collar and sleeves of Coveralls. Jumpsuits are general much tighter then Coveralls and less likely to be worn over other clothing, except for undergarments. Jumpsuits are also much more likely to have buttoned or zippered pockets, and often more fashionable then Coveralls. Rompers also tend to be more fashionable, dressy, and playful then either Coveralls or Jumpsuits. To confuse things even more the term Romper is not only interchangeable with the term Jumpsuit, but also with the term Overalls. The most overtly sexy of the suits and the one most likely to conjure up visions of leather, lace, and latex is the Catsuit. This is the tightest of the suits and the only one that can also serve as an under-garment as well as an outer-garment. Of course, this being fashion, there are exceptions to all these generalizations of what defines this or that type of garment, which are further confused by which English speaking country of origin you are referencing.
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Back on topic though, I like the idea of having a belt material zone as well as an actual belt and possibly belt loops as accessories. This also had me thinking about the possibility of throat, wrist, and ankle belts/straps for fastening the catsuit closed. What if there were zippers or simply slits/cuts that could be opened in the lower arms and legs of the catsuit as options, much like the zipper option I described earlier for dividing the catsuit in half. The zipper/slits would be there but normally they would be closed and smoothed out so that they were not visible, and then you could open them up and add the straps/belts to change the look of the suit. …Just a thought. I suppose one could even run the zipper/slits/cuts completely up the sides of the suit, but that begs the question of whether it would not just be better to make a different suit for each style of cut and method of opening and closing it if one did not wish to use maps to achieve the same affect.
I also like the idea of you being able to build additional products to work with the catsuit. It is not exactly a new idea, or like it is that difficult to make add-ons for a catsuit, but I suppose it is something to keep in mind while designing and modeling the catsuit. (Mentioned and non-mentioned examples: Belt pouches, cartridge loop rows, pockets, padding, armor, etc.)
Actually catsuits, jumpsuits and coveralls are not the same thing. Jumpsuits go back to the days of paratroopers and pilots. Coveralls are just that. Suits designed to cover clothing and provide protection. Catsuits are the skin tight costumes that were created for the Broadway show Cats.
ARE YOU KIDDING??????? (Was it mine asked many ages ago???)
YES, YES, PLEASE!!!!!
(Am I shouting??, Sorry. I'm just so enthused.)
And just in case you need to warm up, start with a V4 version, ya know, just to get the kinks out and then do the Genesis version. :) :) :) :)
For ideas, variable sole for the boots. Morph from flats to impractical heels.
Thank you for this.....seriously.....(shame those old fora are not around, I'd point you to my posts about this matter....)
If done, this is would be very, very cool!
The H3/A3 Catsuits were perfection. I was seriously bummed that there wasn't a V4 version.
Had to go through many hoops to get one fitted to V4.
This as well.
I think you missed what I was getting at. In that one sentence and paragraph, I was generalizing (possibly in the extreme) stating that catsuits, jumpsuits, and coveralls are the same and yet very different! People do get confused about which is which now and then because we tend to blur the lines in fashion as to which is which. Sometimes they are very different in appearance and true to their origins and sometimes they are not. As an example, try performing an image search for each type of garment and you will start to see an overlap/similarity in the appearance of garments in each category. Sometimes this is due to error or the way internet searches work and sometimes it isn't.
Oh... and I think you were generalizing (at least I hope you were)... but the term, idea, and origin of the catsuit is much older then the Broadway show "Cats". In fact, if memory serves, there are no catsuits in "Cats", only cat costumes. (Edit: I checked and yes, there are no catsuits in CATS. All or most of the cat costumes in Cats are based on "unitards" for dancers.)
Best regards.
I'm not sure why A3's catsuit is so loved, it seem pretty basic to me.
Lets see....
INCLUDED, cowl, gloves, boots (NOT Separate items for the $$$$$$)
Options on each of the above.
It was all in one and that was the beauty of it.
That did it for me....
And DAZ is likely to follow the V4 sales model. The V4 bodysuit, expansion pack and unimesh fits were all separate purchases or part of bundles.