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  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,090

    I used to think the Superman 'I'm wearing glasses' thing was stupid until I saw Zoe Deschanel without her bangs.

     

  • Patrick TynerPatrick Tyner Posts: 640
    Divamakeup said:

    I don't see Christian 8 and Edward 8 looking too much alike, personally. Other than them both being middle-aged white guys, they don't look all that much alike, imo. 

    Here's a render with Christian 8 (font) with Edward 8 (back). Both have Altern8 applied.

    I guess they could be related, maybe? But, to me, they don't look all that alike though. 

    Now could we see both with the same texture and skin settings.....? I think that would give us a more accurate comparison.
  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,781
    edited January 2019
    Divamakeup said:

    I don't see Christian 8 and Edward 8 looking too much alike, personally. Other than them both being middle-aged white guys, they don't look all that much alike, imo. 

    Here's a render with Christian 8 (font) with Edward 8 (back). Both have Altern8 applied.

    I guess they could be related, maybe? But, to me, they don't look all that alike though. 

    No, they don't look alike although they, like everybody, have one or more sets of common ancestors in the past.

    They have a DAZ iRay render look to them like the Blondie and Lilttle Orphan Annie (and Calvin & Hobbes & Peanuts & ...) serial newspaper comics have a serial comic look to them.

    The big problem with DAZ Studio characters is that no matter their face's geometry the expressions are all alike making for a very apparent sameness between renders that use them. It's really something that DAZ should work on when they release these pro bundles - each character in the bundle should get their own unique sets of expressions they shows a human face's elasticity.

    I don't think he looks like Fred Gwynne though, although he is trending in that direction. 

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  • VyusurVyusur Posts: 2,235
    edited January 2019

    Edward 8 (left) and Christian 8 (right) rendered with Christian 8 materials

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  • Dim ReaperDim Reaper Posts: 687
    Divamakeup said:

    I don't see Christian 8 and Edward 8 looking too much alike, personally. Other than them both being middle-aged white guys, they don't look all that much alike, imo. 

    Here's a render with Christian 8 (font) with Edward 8 (back). Both have Altern8 applied.

    I guess they could be related, maybe? But, to me, they don't look all that alike though. 

     

    Thank you for posting this.  I hadn't realised until seeing this just how much older Christian looks than Edward.  I downloaded him yesterday but haven't had time to do anything except download and install the files.

     

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,343
    Vyusur said:

    Edward 8 (left) and Christian 8 (right) rendered with Christian 8 materials

     

    I would be curious to see Christian's textures on the default G8M shape then or even G3M.

    It seems his character relies very much on textures rather than morphs, not a bad thing and something that may make me buy his base one say.

  • Patrick TynerPatrick Tyner Posts: 640
    Vyusur said:

    Edward 8 (left) and Christian 8 (right) rendered with Christian 8 materials

    Could be brothers but definitely different enough to add to a scene together without feeling like you have a bunch clones of the same character with just different hair or texture combos.  Mucho Thanko for that comparrison!

  • MallenLaneMallenLane Posts: 161

    Bear in mind that you shouldn't render same skin comparisons using normal maps. Normal maps are sculptural detail. You'd effectively be transferring actual shape and contour from one to the other.

  • VyusurVyusur Posts: 2,235
    edited January 2019
    Wendy_Carrara said:
    Vyusur said:

    Edward 8 (left) and Christian 8 (right) rendered with Christian 8 materials

     

    I would be curious to see Christian's textures on the default G8M shape then or even G3M.

    It seems his character relies very much on textures rather than morphs, not a bad thing and something that may make me buy his base one say.

     

    G3M (left) and G8M (right) with Christian 8 materials

     

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    HorusRa said:
    Well I'm not sure how Daz is doing their purple banner discount. I own almost EVERY pro bundle daz has released (all generations to present) and I still received 40% off and $80 on the freebies. Isn't THAT perplexing in regards to how Daz is coming up with the discounts?

    Only thing I can think of is that they are factoring in something else. Dunno what that might be tho.

    Laurie

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,885
    edited January 2019

    i did a lot of factoring yesterday over this and came to the result that I'm out of the bundle business unless I'm getting a serious discount. like many have stated, a lot of the bundle stuff is not used anyway. Sooner or later those bundles will be marked way down in price ... or the characters will be. ...

    but there comes a time that just using the quadrillion morph products can make any character you could ever want. The weak point are the skin textures, which to me seem to be getting better and more realistic all the time. Christian 8 testures, as well as his bud Hudson, look very good, (to keep somewhat on topic). That is where I should place my focus, learning to make skin textures. but even then, unless you doing a lot of closeup work in the nude, most of them don't even matter all that much. Why we get gential textures or even genitals unless you doing serious nudity? once the clothes are on, why bother even applying textures? 

    WOW ..I'm rambling way OT surprise

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,981
    edited January 2019
    algovincian said:
    Divamakeup said:

    I don't see Christian 8 and Edward 8 looking too much alike, personally. Other than them both being middle-aged white guys, they don't look all that much alike, imo. 

    Here's a render with Christian 8 (font) with Edward 8 (back). Both have Altern8 applied.

    I guess they could be related, maybe? But, to me, they don't look all that alike though. 

    Skin looks great on both with Altern8 applied, @Divamakeup. Thanks for posting this direct comparison - very useful.

    - Greg

    Thank you, Greg! :) I'm glad the render is helpful as a comparison. As xyer0 pointed out, it's amazing how the same hair can make two characters that normally look pretty different seam to look a lot more similar. I think a bald comparison can be a bit more true to the character's appearance differences.

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,981
    xyer0 said:
    Divamakeup said:

    I don't see Christian 8 and Edward 8 looking too much alike, personally. Other than them both being middle-aged white guys, they don't look all that much alike, imo. 

    Here's a render with Christian 8 (font) with Edward 8 (back). Both have Altern8 applied.

    I guess they could be related, maybe? But, to me, they don't look all that alike though. 

    Thanks, Divamakeup! I think part of the problem is when you put Commander Hair (or any distinct style) on anyone, they start looking like Edward 8. I noticed the same phenomenon with Michael 7's Fraser Hair when other characters wore it.

    Cool story, bro ALERT: When my nephew was 2 years old, he was just in love with me: Every time he saw me his eyes would light up, and he would run over to me. One day, he visited, and I was wearing a hat. He didn't recognize me. I took off the hat, his eyes lit up, and he ran over to me.

    Yeah, that's true. Commander Hair has a very distinct look and hair line - so that, I'm sure, contributed to them looking more similar in the earlier post. I think when doing a comparison of two characters' looks a more neaurtral hair style or even shaved hair or bald head gives a more clear comparision. 

    Your nephew sounds adorable! That story is so cute! :D I've seen youtube videos where parents have gone to get their hair cut or restyled and come back and their kids cry or don't recognize them at first. It's amazing the impact hair has on the way we see someone.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,343

    Thankyou Vyusur yes

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,981
    MallenLane said:

    Bear in mind that you shouldn't render same skin comparisons using normal maps. Normal maps are sculptural detail. You'd effectively be transferring actual shape and contour from one to the other.

    +1 Very true. One would have to remove Normal Maps, Displacement Maps, and Bump Maps to get a true morph/shape comparison. 

  • NorthOf45NorthOf45 Posts: 5,723

    On a side note, there is no documentation center ReadMe for Christian 8, and no thumbnail in DIM.

  • Patrick TynerPatrick Tyner Posts: 640
    Vyusur said:

    Edward 8 (left) and Christian 8 (right) rendered with Christian 8 materials

    Could be brothers but definitely different enough to add to a scene together without feeling like you have a bunch clones of the same character with just different hair or texture combos.  Mucho Thanko for that comparrison!

  • KharmaKharma Posts: 3,214

    thanks so much for the post of Hudson with Edward dialed in - I think he looks very good.  Also thanks for the comparison of Edward and Christian, I do think they have a striking resemblance to each other, not exact but close enough, I ended up buying the Christian 8 Pro Bundle, I figured why not I have all the rest except 1 or 2 .blush  

    I am probably going to stop buying with this line unless their are some huge leaps in the Genesis line, I have enough content to last a lifetime and all the new releases are repeats of the old altho I think the best are G8.  With every new line they are giving away older bundles free or extremely cheap so I am going to try to wait a couple generations except for the free base model and the morphs for it and new morph kits to make my own characters. But I won't lie ...  resisting will be hard and I may cave eventually! We will see what the next generation of figures has to offer ...

  • Worlds_EdgeWorlds_Edge Posts: 2,153
    edited January 2019

    A quick test render of Bain for Christian 8  Out of the box, no special lighting.

     

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  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    edited January 2019

    Here are a series of renders comparing Edward 8 with Christian 8, using the default Genesis 8 Male materials, no Bump maps, and no Normal maps.

    I used the default Render-Settings with the Environment->Dome Rotation set to 40, Draw Dome and Draw Ground both set to Off. (Also, in Progressive-Rendering—settings which I usually don't use—Quality Enabled, Quality 1, Converged Ratio 95%) Both figures were loaded in World Center and rendered separately so the lighting was the same for each, Edward is on the left of the following images, with Christian on the right. Full-sized images are linked.

    First, a full head-to-toe shot:

    Genesis 8 - Ed V Chris Full Shot, by L'Adair

    Second, a Half Shot from about the waist up:

    Genesis 8 - Ed V Chris Half Shot, by L'Adair

    Third, a standard Head Shot:

    Genesis 8 - Ed V Chris Head Shot 01, by L'Adair

    And finally, an angled Head Shot that really empahsizes the differences in the mouths, noses and eyes:

    Genesis 8 - Ed V Chris Head Shot 02, by L'Adair

    You can easliy see that Christian is not as tall as Edward. but Christiian is more buff. Their jawlines, cheekbones and temples are different, as well asl the lips eyes and nose. Even the ears are different.

    I also rendered the guys with their HD morphs. Here's the link to the post in my art thead.

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  • PixelPiePixelPie Posts: 374


    outrider42:: I think DAZ should publish then how many probundles you have to buy to get what discounts.. problems solved rather than taking up thread on us figuring that out...I was wondering too.. really the more you buy the more you get..

    that said..thank you Divamakeup for the pics.. trying to see the difference with Edward since someone posted here the comparison .. have to say.. love love the eyebrows on Christian ...very nice

  • PixelPiePixelPie Posts: 374
    edited January 2019
    L'Adair said:

    Here are a series of renders comparing Edward 8 with Christian 8, using the default Genesis 8 Male materials, no Bump maps, and no Normal maps.

    I used the default Render-Settings with the Environment->Dome Rotation set to 40, Draw Dome and Draw Ground both set to Off. (Also, in Progressive-Rendering—settings which I usually don't use—Quality Enabled, Quality 1, Converged Ratio 95%) Both figures were loaded in World Center and rendered separately so the lighting was the same for each, Edward is on the left of the following images, with Christian on the right. Full-sized images are linked.

    First, a full head-to-toe shot:

    Genesis 8 - Ed V Chris Full Shot, by L'Adair

    Second, a Half Shot from about the waist up:

    Genesis 8 - Ed V Chris Half Shot, by L'Adair

    Third, a standard Head Shot:

    Genesis 8 - Ed V Chris Head Shot 01, by L'Adair

    And finally, an angled Head Shot that really empahsizes the differences in the mouths, noses and eyes:

    Genesis 8 - Ed V Chris Head Shot 02, by L'Adair

    You can easliy see that Christian is not as tall as Edward. but Christiian is more buff. Their jawlines, cheekbones and temples are different, as well asl the lips eyes and nose. Even the ears are different.

    I also rendered the guys with their HD morphs. Here's the link to the post in my art thead.

    Yes, Christian is an improvement on jaw, cheekbone and brow features.. and the nose.. he looks very realistic and very masculine..potential for more bad boy renders?  got the free motorcycle in the cart...mmmm.. may have to rearange and get the MMA ring too

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  • LosingSignalLosingSignal Posts: 409
    edited January 2019

    At times like this, a hard man knows just the right thing to say...  "But I wanted Santa to bring me a LEGO X-Wing!"

    Out of the box Christian 8 with the Normal Maps turned on and the Translucency set to Low.  First impression... well, he's not Lilith 8.  Still, Eva 8 has a companion male, so I guess that's a bonus.  I also kind of like his facial structure.  There's been something kind of... off-putting about the faces of a few of the realistic Gen 8 Male faces, particularly Michael, Lucas, and Owen.  They just look a little creepy to my eye, particularly compared to the Gen 2 characters.  But Christian's longer, more weather beaten face just doesn't carry that creeper vibe, kind of like Edward or even Ollie.  A fine addition to the gene pool, maybe even for use as a complete character.

    https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#images/714241/

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,981
    LosingSignal said:

    At times like this, a hard man knows just the right thing to say...  "But I wanted Santa to bring me a LEGO X-Wing!"

    Out of the box Christian 8 with the Normal Maps turned on and the Translucency set to Low.  First impression... well, he's not Lilith 8.  Still, Eva 8 has a companion male, so I guess that's a bonus.  I also kind of like his facial structure.  There's been something kind of... off-putting about the faces of a few of the realistic Gen 8 Male faces, particularly Michael, Lucas, and Owen.  They just look a little creepy to my eye, particularly compared to the Gen 2 characters.  But Christian's longer, more weather beaten face just doesn't carry that creeper vibe, kind of like Edward or even Ollie.  A fine addition to the gene pool, maybe even for use as a complete character.

    https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#images/714241/

    Dawww That pout ...it makes me want to hug him. lol Cool render and quite an interesting take on "boy who didn't get what he wanted for Christmas". lol When boy = heavily tattooed and intimidating looking biker dude, that's when you know you've got something a bit unique. heheh Really neat idea and the render came out great. :)

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,361
    L'Adair said:

    Here are a series of renders comparing Edward 8 with Christian 8, using the default Genesis 8 Male materials, no Bump maps, and no Normal maps.

    I used the default Render-Settings with the Environment->Dome Rotation set to 40, Draw Dome and Draw Ground both set to Off. (Also, in Progressive-Rendering—settings which I usually don't use—Quality Enabled, Quality 1, Converged Ratio 95%) Both figures were loaded in World Center and rendered separately so the lighting was the same for each, Edward is on the left of the following images, with Christian on the right. Full-sized images are linked.

    First, a full head-to-toe shot:

    Genesis 8 - Ed V Chris Full Shot, by L'Adair

    Second, a Half Shot from about the waist up:

    Genesis 8 - Ed V Chris Half Shot, by L'Adair

    Third, a standard Head Shot:

    Genesis 8 - Ed V Chris Head Shot 01, by L'Adair

    And finally, an angled Head Shot that really empahsizes the differences in the mouths, noses and eyes:

    Genesis 8 - Ed V Chris Head Shot 02, by L'Adair

    You can easliy see that Christian is not as tall as Edward. but Christiian is more buff. Their jawlines, cheekbones and temples are different, as well asl the lips eyes and nose. Even the ears are different.

    I also rendered the guys with their HD morphs. Here's the link to the post in my art thead.

    Thanks again, L'Adair, for your customary thoroughness.

  • JasonSWrenchJasonSWrench Posts: 387

    Here is my side-by-side test of the 5 Christian figures. Sorry for the delay, was having rendering problems. You can see the larger version here: https://www.deviantart.com/renderguyny/art/Christian-8-Test-779659071

    J

  • CZCZ Posts: 160
    edited January 2019

    Is anybody else facing some problems with his eyebrows? When I load Christian, I get an error message with something about duplicate IDs. I took a screenshot. Those eyebrows do not load correctly an in my Content Library I don't have a preview pic of Christian. Any Ideas why this happens? Oh, I tried to deinstall, update and install severall times with the same results.

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    Mine are working ok and I installed with DIM

    Laurie

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    xyer0 said:

    Thanks again, L'Adair, for your customary thoroughness.

    You're most welcome.

     

    CZ said:

    Is anybody else facing some problems with his eyebrows? When I load Christian, I get an error message with something about duplicate IDs. I took a screenshot. Those eyebrows do not load correctly an in my Content Library I don't have a preview pic of Christian. Any Ideas why this happens? Oh, I tried to deinstall, update and install severall times with the same results.

    Like AllenArt, I installed via DIM. The figure and the eyebrows load without any issues, and the image shows up in Smart Content.

    What you haven't told us is how you installed Christian 8. Do you use DIM, Daz Connect, or did you do a manual install? If you're using Daz Connect, you should contact Customer Service right away. as the issue could be how the install with DC is setup.

  • The Inner CircleThe Inner Circle Posts: 234

    Thought I would add a render as well. Nothing special - Hudson straight out of the box. Trans set to low.

    Hudson reporting for render duty.

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