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Who said Blender was hard?

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  • LotharenLotharen Posts: 282
    May 2018
    RorrKonn said:
    Lotharen said:

    Any advise for getting rid of poke through? I have an image I'm working on now. Everything looks fine in Daz, export it useing teleblender and there are spots in the leggings that have skin showing though. For the life of me I can't seem to find a way to hide the skin. I've tried masking, even using a shrinkwrap modifier, all with no luck. 

    Any ideas?

    Delet the mesh

    So not helpful.....

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    May 2018
    Lotharen said:

    Any advise for getting rid of poke through? I have an image I'm working on now. Everything looks fine in Daz, export it useing teleblender and there are spots in the leggings that have skin showing though. For the life of me I can't seem to find a way to hide the skin. I've tried masking, even using a shrinkwrap modifier, all with no luck. 

    Any ideas?

     

    If you were using smoothing in DS then you will want to have set the smoothing to "interactive update" before exporting (otherwise the obj exporter will ignore any and all smoothing)

     

    Fully in blender I find using it's sculpting tools the easiest to fix a bit of pokethough select the offending garment go to sculpt mode use the inflate brush and just paint on it a bit.

  • MarkIsSleepyMarkIsSleepy Posts: 1,496
    May 2018
    RorrKonn said:
     

    lets look at the facts
    1998 softimage rules .2018 softimage is dead R,I,P,hotkey driven.
    ​1998 LW is doing killer.2018 facing extinction. hotkey driven.
    ​1998 very very few use blender.belenders facing extinction. 2002 blender made free n open sorce.
    The UI is a all out hot key driven nightmare.at some point a new beyyer UI.2018 Blender is doing better.

    Eather make a user friendly UI or just don't wast are time.I HATE beyound words hot key driven app's .refuse to use them.pray to the CGI Gods that all hot key driven app's die violently and are erased from memory like they never bloody exsisted..are you getting how bad we hate hot key driven app's ?

    C4D has a 100% customizable UI.Can make C4D UI look like DAZ ,Maya,Blender etc etc

    I guess I just don't understand what people mean when they say "hot key driven." All software can use hotkeys. When I use Photoshop or Word or Excel I use hotkeys for about 90% of what I do. There may be things that Blender can do that can't be accessed through the menus, but I can't think of many offhand. It's just much faster to learn a couple hotkeys for the things you do all the time. Just like in every other program in existence.

  • MarkIsSleepyMarkIsSleepy Posts: 1,496
    May 2018 edited May 2018
    Lotharen said:

    Any advise for getting rid of poke through? I have an image I'm working on now. Everything looks fine in Daz, export it useing teleblender and there are spots in the leggings that have skin showing though. For the life of me I can't seem to find a way to hide the skin. I've tried masking, even using a shrinkwrap modifier, all with no luck. 

    Any ideas?

    1. Select the leggings

    2. Tab into edit mode

    3. Select just one poly near the middle of the pokethrough

    4. Turn on proportional editing

    5. Pull that poly out a little - use the scroll wheel on your mouse as you move the poly to control how big an area the proportional editing affects

    6. Tab back into object mode

    Or do the reverse and pull the skin inward inside the leggings, whichever looks best for your image. The leggings are probably lower poly than the character though, so there's less risk of slowing down screen response time when you pop into edit mode.

    EDIT TO ADD: Just saw J Cade's suggestion about the inflate brush and that's also an excellent way to do it, and more intuitive/less finicky than proportional editing. I use both depending on the situation.

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    Post edited by MarkIsSleepy on May 2018
  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    May 2018
    hyteckit said:

    Blender is hard because the menus and navigation is confusing. They need to fix the GUI.

    Define hard to use. Hard compared to what? DS and Hexagon well yeah, it does a *lot* more so it's always going to be "harder" because there's more to learn.

    That said this upcoming version of blender looks like another leap in usability a la 2.5 was (I love blender I could not use it before 2.5. hopefully 2.8 is similar for some other folks)
  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    May 2018 edited May 2018
    MDO2010 said:
    RorrKonn said:
     

    lets look at the facts
    1998 softimage rules .2018 softimage is dead R,I,P,hotkey driven.
    ​1998 LW is doing killer.2018 facing extinction. hotkey driven.
    ​1998 very very few use blender.belenders facing extinction. 2002 blender made free n open sorce.
    The UI is a all out hot key driven nightmare.at some point a new beyyer UI.2018 Blender is doing better.

    Eather make a user friendly UI or just don't wast are time.I HATE beyound words hot key driven app's .refuse to use them.pray to the CGI Gods that all hot key driven app's die violently and are erased from memory like they never bloody exsisted..are you getting how bad we hate hot key driven app's ?

    C4D has a 100% customizable UI.Can make C4D UI look like DAZ ,Maya,Blender etc etc

    I guess I just don't understand what people mean when they say "hot key driven." All software can use hotkeys. When I use Photoshop or Word or Excel I use hotkeys for about 90% of what I do. There may be things that Blender can do that can't be accessed through the menus, but I can't think of many offhand. It's just much faster to learn a couple hotkeys for the things you do all the time. Just like in every other program in existence.

    Yep. I spent my first few years in blender using pretty much using 3 hotkeys gfor grab s for scale and r for rotate. Eventually I figured out e for extrude. I got on fine
    Post edited by j cade on May 2018
  • hphoenixhphoenix Posts: 1,335
    May 2018 edited May 2018
    RorrKonn said:
    MDO2010 said:
    hyteckit said:

     

    lets look at the facts
    1998 softimage rules .2018 softimage is dead R,I,P,hotkey driven.
    ​1998 LW is doing killer.2018 facing extinction. hotkey driven.
    ​1998 very very few use blender.belenders facing extinction. 2002 blender made free n open sorce.
     

    Um, Lightwave 3D isn't 'facing extinction', from what I can see.  Neither are several other 3D packages from the same era (3D Studio, Alias Maya (before Autodesk bought them), and plenty of others.)

    I think these claims fall under "citation needed"....

    Lightwave is NOT "hot-key based".  While there are hotkeys for almost EVERY menu item, there are buttons and dialogs for them too.  Lightwave 3D's biggest UI issue in my experience is HOW MANY menu buttons there are!  It's a very crowded interface, and having to shift beween tabs constantly to do things in certain orders.  Using Hot-Keys helps here, but it's hardly a UI that depends on them.....quite the opposite.

     

    Post edited by hphoenix on May 2018
  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    May 2018
    hyteckit said:

    Blender is hard because the menus and navigation is confusing. They need to fix the GUI.

    You can change it to suite yourself. They are also, I believe, updating it again.

     

    RorrKonn said:
    MDO2010 said:
    hyteckit said:

    Blender is hard because the menus and navigation is confusing. They need to fix the GUI.

    Counterpoint: Blender is easy because once you understand the logic of it (which takes under an hour just watching any of the dozens of YouTube videos explaining it for beginners) it is brilliantly constructed with one of the best, most flexible interfaces out there. wink

    Like every piece of software ever, it's personal taste and how you use it. Lots of people love Hexagon, but in 10 years of trying I have never been able to get comfortable with it. Blender looked intimidating at first, but so does every program with that many options in it, and it genuinely only took me an hour to learn once I found a good intro video and started playing with it. Heck, DAZ Studio has an intimidating interface, but lots of people do just fine with it. laugh

    lets look at the facts
    1998 softimage rules .2018 softimage is dead R,I,P,hotkey driven.
    ​1998 LW is doing killer.2018 facing extinction. hotkey driven.
    ​1998 very very few use blender.belenders facing extinction. 2002 blender made free n open sorce.
    The UI is a all out hot key driven nightmare.at some point a new beyyer UI.2018 Blender is doing better.

    Eather make a user friendly UI or just don't wast are time.I HATE beyound words hot key driven app's .refuse to use them.pray to the CGI Gods that all hot key driven app's die violently and are erased from memory like they never bloody exsisted..are you getting how bad we hate hot key driven app's ?

    C4D has a 100% customizable UI.Can make C4D UI look like DAZ ,Maya,Blender etc etc

     

     

     

     

    I love hotkeys, and hate mouse only - it is slower. Unfortuneately I am forced to use it often as no keyboard options; Blender has both.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    May 2018
    j cade said:
    hyteckit said:

    Blender is hard because the menus and navigation is confusing. They need to fix the GUI.

     

    Define hard to use. Hard compared to what? DS and Hexagon well yeah, it does a *lot* more so it's always going to be "harder" because there's more to learn.

     

    That said this upcoming version of blender looks like another leap in usability a la 2.5 was (I love blender I could not use it before 2.5. hopefully 2.8 is similar for some other folks)

    Ha! Yeh 2.49 was not my thing; I kept trying but just couldn't get it, whereas 2.5 was a total revelation.

  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,573
    May 2018

    Have they made it where I can undock the modeling window and put it on it's own monitor yet ?

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    May 2018
    Robert Freise said:

    Have they made it where I can undock the modeling window and put it on it's own monitor yet ?

    now that would be good

     

  • MarkIsSleepyMarkIsSleepy Posts: 1,496
    May 2018 edited May 2018
    Robert Freise said:

    Have they made it where I can undock the modeling window and put it on it's own monitor yet ?

    Hold shift when selecting one of the corners of a window and drag it like you want to split that window and a new window will pop out.

    A quick search found this video showing someone demonstrating how to do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v8aIuj2Ta0

    The guy in the video is using Blender 2.65, so the feature has been included since 2012 at least. laugh

    Post edited by MarkIsSleepy on May 2018
  • hyteckithyteckit Posts: 167
    May 2018 edited May 2018
    j cade said:
    hyteckit said:

    Blender is hard because the menus and navigation is confusing. They need to fix the GUI.

     

    Define hard to use. Hard compared to what? DS and Hexagon well yeah, it does a *lot* more so it's always going to be "harder" because there's more to learn.

     

    That said this upcoming version of blender looks like another leap in usability a la 2.5 was (I love blender I could not use it before 2.5. hopefully 2.8 is similar for some other folks)

     

    Non intuitive. Inconsistence. Bad GUI. Menu items are not where they would normally be. Doesn't follow many Windows or Mac GUI standards/guidelines. 

    Seriously. Can't even use it on my laptop with 2 buttons because it needs 3 buttons. I can figure Daz out pretty easily. Can't even figure out how to pan, rotate, and move the camera in Blender. Had to google search and look up youtube to know that I have to turn on 3 button emulation.

    There is a plus sign to add panels, but how do you close a panel? Shouldn't there be a minus sign or a menu to close the panel? Nope. Yet again, more goole search. 

    It's the craziest thing.

    Post edited by hyteckit on May 2018
  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,573
    May 2018
    MDO2010 said:
    Robert Freise said:

    Have they made it where I can undock the modeling window and put it on it's own monitor yet ?

    Hold shift when selecting one of the corners of a window and drag it like you want to split that window and a new window will pop out.

    A quick search found this video showing someone demonstraing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v8aIuj2Ta0

    The guy in the video is using Blender 2.65, so the feature has been included since 2012 at least. laugh

    Nope have tried that before it just duplicates the other window and you end up with two instances running 

  • LotharenLotharen Posts: 282
    May 2018
    j cade said:
    Lotharen said:

    Any advise for getting rid of poke through? I have an image I'm working on now. Everything looks fine in Daz, export it useing teleblender and there are spots in the leggings that have skin showing though. For the life of me I can't seem to find a way to hide the skin. I've tried masking, even using a shrinkwrap modifier, all with no luck. 

    Any ideas?

     

    If you were using smoothing in DS then you will want to have set the smoothing to "interactive update" before exporting (otherwise the obj exporter will ignore any and all smoothing)

     

    Fully in blender I find using it's sculpting tools the easiest to fix a bit of pokethough select the offending garment go to sculpt mode use the inflate brush and just paint on it a bit.

    Both worked like a charm! Thanks a million.

  • MarkIsSleepyMarkIsSleepy Posts: 1,496
    May 2018 edited May 2018

    I guess I don't understand what you are trying to do then.

    I tried it and I can change that window or the original one to anything I want and can pan and zoom them independently if I keep them both as camera views - they don't have to stay the same.

    Do you mean that you want one window in Edit mode and one in Object mode? That's definitely not possible as far as I know.

    Robert Freise said:
    MDO2010 said:
    Robert Freise said:

    Have they made it where I can undock the modeling window and put it on it's own monitor yet ?

    Hold shift when selecting one of the corners of a window and drag it like you want to split that window and a new window will pop out.

    A quick search found this video showing someone demonstraing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v8aIuj2Ta0

    The guy in the video is using Blender 2.65, so the feature has been included since 2012 at least. laugh

    Nope have tried that before it just duplicates the other window and you end up with two instances running 

     

    Post edited by MarkIsSleepy on May 2018
  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    May 2018
    hyteckit said:
    j cade said:
    hyteckit said:

    Blender is hard because the menus and navigation is confusing. They need to fix the GUI.

     

    Define hard to use. Hard compared to what? DS and Hexagon well yeah, it does a *lot* more so it's always going to be "harder" because there's more to learn.

     

    That said this upcoming version of blender looks like another leap in usability a la 2.5 was (I love blender I could not use it before 2.5. hopefully 2.8 is similar for some other folks)

     

    Non intuitive. Inconsistence. Bad GUI. Menu items are not where they would normally be. Doesn't follow many Windows or Mac GUI standards/guidelines. 

    Seriously. Can't even use it on my laptop with 2 buttons because it needs 3 buttons. I can figure Daz out pretty easily. Can't even figure out how to pan, rotate, and move the camera in Blender. Had to google search and look up youtube to know that I have to turn on 3 button emulation.

    There is a plus sign to add panels, but how do you close a panel? Shouldn't there be a minus sign or a menu to close the panel? Nope. Yet again, more goole search. 

    It's the craziest thing.

     

     

    That's kind of what I was saying though... Yeah it's way easier to use DS, and discover all it's features but that's because DS has maybe a hundredth of the features of Blender. Look at Blender's UI compared to Maya or Zbrush and its a lot more comparable in complexity. Again, yes there are things it can totally do better, but if your bar is as simple as DS that is never going to be possible because the 2 softwares are not comparable.

     

     

  • hyteckithyteckit Posts: 167
    May 2018 edited May 2018
    j cade said:
    hyteckit said:
    j cade said:
    hyteckit said:

    Blender is hard because the menus and navigation is confusing. They need to fix the GUI.

     

    Define hard to use. Hard compared to what? DS and Hexagon well yeah, it does a *lot* more so it's always going to be "harder" because there's more to learn.

     

    That said this upcoming version of blender looks like another leap in usability a la 2.5 was (I love blender I could not use it before 2.5. hopefully 2.8 is similar for some other folks)

     

    Non intuitive. Inconsistence. Bad GUI. Menu items are not where they would normally be. Doesn't follow many Windows or Mac GUI standards/guidelines. 

    Seriously. Can't even use it on my laptop with 2 buttons because it needs 3 buttons. I can figure Daz out pretty easily. Can't even figure out how to pan, rotate, and move the camera in Blender. Had to google search and look up youtube to know that I have to turn on 3 button emulation.

    There is a plus sign to add panels, but how do you close a panel? Shouldn't there be a minus sign or a menu to close the panel? Nope. Yet again, more goole search. 

    It's the craziest thing.

     

     

    That's kind of what I was saying though... Yeah it's way easier to use DS, and discover all it's features but that's because DS has maybe a hundredth of the features of Blender. Look at Blender's UI compared to Maya or Zbrush and its a lot more comparable in complexity. Again, yes there are things it can totally do better, but if your bar is as simple as DS that is never going to be possible because the 2 softwares are not comparable.

     

     

     

    Those 2 examples I mention had nothing to do with features of Blender. Just poor GUI design.

    Having lots of features doesn't excuse bad GUI. It's not the features that makes blender hard to use. Having a non-intuitive, inconsistence, and bad GUI just gets in the way of doing things with the program. The GUI should work with you, not work against you. You shouldn't be require to know and use keyboard shortcuts for every little thing.

    In Daz I can easily rotate, zoom, move, and manipulate the camera using the little icons on the viewport with just a one button mouse. No keyboard needed. Apple Motion, Daz3D, Cinema4D all have similar icons in the viewport to manipulate the camera. Maybe Blender can add that to the Viewport. You know "features".

    Post edited by hyteckit on May 2018
  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    May 2018
    hyteckit said:
    j cade said:
    hyteckit said:
    j cade said:
    hyteckit said:

    Blender is hard because the menus and navigation is confusing. They need to fix the GUI.

     

    Define hard to use. Hard compared to what? DS and Hexagon well yeah, it does a *lot* more so it's always going to be "harder" because there's more to learn.

     

    That said this upcoming version of blender looks like another leap in usability a la 2.5 was (I love blender I could not use it before 2.5. hopefully 2.8 is similar for some other folks)

     

    Non intuitive. Inconsistence. Bad GUI. Menu items are not where they would normally be. Doesn't follow many Windows or Mac GUI standards/guidelines. 

    Seriously. Can't even use it on my laptop with 2 buttons because it needs 3 buttons. I can figure Daz out pretty easily. Can't even figure out how to pan, rotate, and move the camera in Blender. Had to google search and look up youtube to know that I have to turn on 3 button emulation.

    There is a plus sign to add panels, but how do you close a panel? Shouldn't there be a minus sign or a menu to close the panel? Nope. Yet again, more goole search. 

    It's the craziest thing.

     

     

    That's kind of what I was saying though... Yeah it's way easier to use DS, and discover all it's features but that's because DS has maybe a hundredth of the features of Blender. Look at Blender's UI compared to Maya or Zbrush and its a lot more comparable in complexity. Again, yes there are things it can totally do better, but if your bar is as simple as DS that is never going to be possible because the 2 softwares are not comparable.

     

     

     

    Those 2 examples I mention had nothing to do with features of Blender. Just poor GUI design.

    Having lots of features doesn't excuse bad GUI. It's not the features that makes blender hard to use. Having a non-intuitive, inconsistence, and bad GUI just gets in the way of doing things with the program.

     

    On the 2 mouse buttons I had something written but then deleted because I thought I was being a bit rude so here goes: Most people have 3 button mice... you're in the minority. Seting up the program for only 2 buttons would waste something that most people have. The defaults are designed to be the most useful for the most people... that said it takes all of one click to set up blender for a 2 button mouse. you then save those preferences and never have to worry about it again.

    Could the side panels have buttons to pop them away... sure, no real argument there

     

    (also which menu items are't where they would be in other programs? the meny bar is at the top beyond that I'm not sure what standards you mean)

  • Midnight_storiesMidnight_stories Posts: 4,112
    May 2018
    3WC said:
    hyteckit said:

    Blender is hard because the menus and navigation is confusing. They need to fix the GUI.

    Blender 2.8 should fix that.

     

    3WC said:
    hyteckit said:

    Blender is hard because the menus and navigation is confusing. They need to fix the GUI.

    Blender 2.8 should fix that.

    Good video I really hope they get it working I really would love to get into this !!!

    Cheers

  • hyteckithyteckit Posts: 167
    May 2018 edited May 2018
    j cade said:
    hyteckit said:
    j cade said:
    hyteckit said:
    j cade said:
    hyteckit said:

    Blender is hard because the menus and navigation is confusing. They need to fix the GUI.

     

    Define hard to use. Hard compared to what? DS and Hexagon well yeah, it does a *lot* more so it's always going to be "harder" because there's more to learn.

     

    That said this upcoming version of blender looks like another leap in usability a la 2.5 was (I love blender I could not use it before 2.5. hopefully 2.8 is similar for some other folks)

     

    Non intuitive. Inconsistence. Bad GUI. Menu items are not where they would normally be. Doesn't follow many Windows or Mac GUI standards/guidelines. 

    Seriously. Can't even use it on my laptop with 2 buttons because it needs 3 buttons. I can figure Daz out pretty easily. Can't even figure out how to pan, rotate, and move the camera in Blender. Had to google search and look up youtube to know that I have to turn on 3 button emulation.

    There is a plus sign to add panels, but how do you close a panel? Shouldn't there be a minus sign or a menu to close the panel? Nope. Yet again, more goole search. 

    It's the craziest thing.

     

     

    That's kind of what I was saying though... Yeah it's way easier to use DS, and discover all it's features but that's because DS has maybe a hundredth of the features of Blender. Look at Blender's UI compared to Maya or Zbrush and its a lot more comparable in complexity. Again, yes there are things it can totally do better, but if your bar is as simple as DS that is never going to be possible because the 2 softwares are not comparable.

     

     

     

    Those 2 examples I mention had nothing to do with features of Blender. Just poor GUI design.

    Having lots of features doesn't excuse bad GUI. It's not the features that makes blender hard to use. Having a non-intuitive, inconsistence, and bad GUI just gets in the way of doing things with the program.

     

    On the 2 mouse buttons I had something written but then deleted because I thought I was being a bit rude so here goes: Most people have 3 button mice... you're in the minority. Seting up the program for only 2 buttons would waste something that most people have. The defaults are designed to be the most useful for the most people... that said it takes all of one click to set up blender for a 2 button mouse. you then save those preferences and never have to worry about it again.

    Could the side panels have buttons to pop them away... sure, no real argument there

     

    (also which menu items are't where they would be in other programs? the meny bar is at the top beyond that I'm not sure what standards you mean)

     

    Sounds like a bunch of excuses for poor GUI design in Blender. You can do this, you can do that. Just google search and learn it.

    If you have to google search just to do simple things like closing panels and manipualing cameras, you are already off to a bad start.

    Just because an application doesn't require a 3 button mouse, doesn't mean the application wasted the 3rd button. I can have a 10 button mouse and assign shortcuts to all 10 buttons. That's how many applications with tons of features work. 

    Why doesn't Blender add simple menu controls in the Viewport for pan, move, zoom like many other Applications that has a 3D viewport?

    "Which menu items are't where they would be in other programs?"

    It doesn't even have an "Edit"  in the menu bar. Everyone using Windows or a Mac is familiar with the "Edit" menu bar. Another big oversight of Blender GUI.

    Post edited by hyteckit on May 2018
  • zombietaggerungzombietaggerung Posts: 3,844
    May 2018

    Here's the thing, if one is dead-set against using something or even trying it out, then that's fine. Move on and find something that works for/how you want it too. I personally find Blender to be intutive and easy to use, after I changed the User Preferences to work with a 2 button mouse, since I am using in on a laptop. However, before i first tried Blender I'd heard nothing but complaints of how hard it was and how bad the UI was and how impossible it was to use. And that put me off it for a long while. Then I needed a program that wouldn't crash every 30 minutes so that I could learn to model. And I decided to ignore the nay-sayers and I watched a Blender tutorial on youtube. And I thought, this is really not that bad. Then I went out and downloaded the newest build at the time, v2.63 and I haven't looked back since. 

    It works for me, and many other people. But just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't make it the worst ever. Just find something that does work for you. There's lots of free trials out there, for the big expensive softwares; or even Hexagon here at daz, that are free.

    /my 2 cents

  • RorrKonnRorrKonn Posts: 509
    May 2018

     

    hyteckit said:

     

    j cade said:

     

    hyteckit said:

     

    j cade said:

     

    hyteckit said:
    j cade said:
    hyteckit said:

     

     

    well blender does have a ton of youtube tutorails that helps a lot

     

  • Midnight_storiesMidnight_stories Posts: 4,112
    May 2018
    zombietaggerung said:

    Here's the thing, if one is dead-set against using something or even trying it out, then that's fine. Move on and find something that works for/how you want it too. I personally find Blender to be intutive and easy to use, after I changed the User Preferences to work with a 2 button mouse, since I am using in on a laptop. However, before i first tried Blender I'd heard nothing but complaints of how hard it was and how bad the UI was and how impossible it was to use. And that put me off it for a long while. Then I needed a program that wouldn't crash every 30 minutes so that I could learn to model. And I decided to ignore the nay-sayers and I watched a Blender tutorial on youtube. And I thought, this is really not that bad. Then I went out and downloaded the newest build at the time, v2.63 and I haven't looked back since. 

    It works for me, and many other people. But just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't make it the worst ever. Just find something that does work for you. There's lots of free trials out there, for the big expensive softwares; or even Hexagon here at daz, that are free.

    /my 2 cents

    The thing I hated about blender is they forced you into shortcut keys, fare enough if that's your thing. I don't like it as your eyes have to keep an eye on the keyboard and you have to have a huge memory to keep that in your head. But they are making an effort to put in toolbars and shelves like maya or modo and icons for tools, this is a big change and you may see a surge in popularity. I have my keys set to maya navigation as it nearly an industry standard, so adding the toolbars will just about get it there. It's have huge power this program but someone from other software could use it. So the resolution has begun !

  • zombietaggerungzombietaggerung Posts: 3,844
    May 2018
    Midnight_stories said:
    zombietaggerung said:

    Here's the thing, if one is dead-set against using something or even trying it out, then that's fine. Move on and find something that works for/how you want it too. I personally find Blender to be intutive and easy to use, after I changed the User Preferences to work with a 2 button mouse, since I am using in on a laptop. However, before i first tried Blender I'd heard nothing but complaints of how hard it was and how bad the UI was and how impossible it was to use. And that put me off it for a long while. Then I needed a program that wouldn't crash every 30 minutes so that I could learn to model. And I decided to ignore the nay-sayers and I watched a Blender tutorial on youtube. And I thought, this is really not that bad. Then I went out and downloaded the newest build at the time, v2.63 and I haven't looked back since. 

    It works for me, and many other people. But just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't make it the worst ever. Just find something that does work for you. There's lots of free trials out there, for the big expensive softwares; or even Hexagon here at daz, that are free.

    /my 2 cents

    The thing I hated about blender is they forced you into shortcut keys, fare enough if that's your thing. I don't like it as your eyes have to keep an eye on the keyboard and you have to have a huge memory to keep that in your head. But they are making an effort to put in toolbars and shelves like maya or modo and icons for tools, this is a big change and you may see a surge in popularity. I have my keys set to maya navigation as it nearly an industry standard, so adding the toolbars will just about get it there. It's have huge power this program but someone from other software could use it. So the resolution has begun !

    Everything is in the menus. you don't have to use the shortcuts. The only ones I ever use are tab to get in and out of edit mode and ctrl-R to make a loop cut while in edit mode. And if you like Maya, you can make Blender look like Maya apparently. I've never clicked on that but it's there in user preferences under Input.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  I dunno. I like it and it works for me. I'm sorry it doesn't work or you. But considering the fantabulous quality of the products you put out I imagine you found something that does work for you. wink

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    May 2018

    Blender is free. That's the main thing for me. I'd love to be able to afford ZBrush and some of the other sophisticated but expensive software that many here seem to think are essential. But I can't, so it's Blender or Hexagon and I find Blender easier to use than Hexagon - and Blender doesn't crash on me. I agree about searching Google to find out how to do simple things being a pain - wholeheartedly agree - but, again, it's free so I'll Google.

    On the other hand, I have never been comfortable using GIMP so I bought a very inexpensive Photoshop alternative called Affinity Photo and that suits me fine. Cost less than the latest X-Morph script for DAZ Studio and it does all the things I used to be able to do when I had access to Photoshop CS6 (at work, before I retired).

     

  • Midnight_storiesMidnight_stories Posts: 4,112
    May 2018

    I guess it's about more choices and with the latest release of blender that's what they've done so a big pat on the back to team !

    People can set it up the way they want without less restrictions !

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847
    May 2018

    ...yeah Daz has grown quite a bit in the last decade. I can easily set up my workspace to fit my workflow.  Still it doesn't handle large environments well (that is what Bryce is for) nor modelling at all (Hexagon  which is undergoing a major revision, covers that base).  Interesting to note both Hex also employs shortcut keys as well, it just offers them as an option for more experienced users rather than forcing them on the beginner out of the box.

    Also I never got into programmes that threw in everything including the kitchen sink as they seem cumbersome and confusing to me (which is why I like Hexagon Bryce and Daz as each have their own focus).  I know I probably wouldn't take to software like 3DS Max, C4D or Modo either these days either for the same reason (I call it the "Swiss Army Knife" approach).

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343
    May 2018
    3WC said:
    hyteckit said:

    Blender is hard because the menus and navigation is confusing. They need to fix the GUI.

    Blender 2.8 should fix that.

    I like this SO much!  Can't wait.  :-)

  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 1,990
    May 2018
    hyteckit said:
    j cade said:
    hyteckit said:
    j cade said:
    hyteckit said:
    j cade said:
    hyteckit said:

    Blender is hard because the menus and navigation is confusing. They need to fix the GUI.

     

    Define hard to use. Hard compared to what? DS and Hexagon well yeah, it does a *lot* more so it's always going to be "harder" because there's more to learn.

     

    That said this upcoming version of blender looks like another leap in usability a la 2.5 was (I love blender I could not use it before 2.5. hopefully 2.8 is similar for some other folks)

     

    Non intuitive. Inconsistence. Bad GUI. Menu items are not where they would normally be. Doesn't follow many Windows or Mac GUI standards/guidelines. 

    Seriously. Can't even use it on my laptop with 2 buttons because it needs 3 buttons. I can figure Daz out pretty easily. Can't even figure out how to pan, rotate, and move the camera in Blender. Had to google search and look up youtube to know that I have to turn on 3 button emulation.

    There is a plus sign to add panels, but how do you close a panel? Shouldn't there be a minus sign or a menu to close the panel? Nope. Yet again, more goole search. 

    It's the craziest thing.

     

     

    That's kind of what I was saying though... Yeah it's way easier to use DS, and discover all it's features but that's because DS has maybe a hundredth of the features of Blender. Look at Blender's UI compared to Maya or Zbrush and its a lot more comparable in complexity. Again, yes there are things it can totally do better, but if your bar is as simple as DS that is never going to be possible because the 2 softwares are not comparable.

     

     

     

    Those 2 examples I mention had nothing to do with features of Blender. Just poor GUI design.

    Having lots of features doesn't excuse bad GUI. It's not the features that makes blender hard to use. Having a non-intuitive, inconsistence, and bad GUI just gets in the way of doing things with the program.

     

    On the 2 mouse buttons I had something written but then deleted because I thought I was being a bit rude so here goes: Most people have 3 button mice... you're in the minority. Seting up the program for only 2 buttons would waste something that most people have. The defaults are designed to be the most useful for the most people... that said it takes all of one click to set up blender for a 2 button mouse. you then save those preferences and never have to worry about it again.

    Could the side panels have buttons to pop them away... sure, no real argument there

     

    (also which menu items are't where they would be in other programs? the meny bar is at the top beyond that I'm not sure what standards you mean)

     

    Sounds like a bunch of excuses for poor GUI design in Blender. You can do this, you can do that. Just google search and learn it.

    If you have to google search just to do simple things like closing panels and manipualing cameras, you are already off to a bad start.

    Just because an application doesn't require a 3 button mouse, doesn't mean the application wasted the 3rd button. I can have a 10 button mouse and assign shortcuts to all 10 buttons. That's how many applications with tons of features work. 

    Why doesn't Blender add simple menu controls in the Viewport for pan, move, zoom like many other Applications that has a 3D viewport?

    "Which menu items are't where they would be in other programs?"

    It doesn't even have an "Edit"  in the menu bar. Everyone using Windows or a Mac is familiar with the "Edit" menu bar. Another big oversight of Blender GUI.

    Many others? Not in Max, Maya or Modo as far as I know. Frankly, the idea is horrible. Imagine modelling something and everytime you wanna rotate, you have to move the cursor away from the model and onto some little icon? I wanna see anyone model productivly like that. I get that people have issues with Blender UI but that is certainly not a real issue.

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