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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,355
    kyoto kid said:

    ...OK so this is interesting. 

    Currently in the process of upgrading my existing system and bringing the second one online.  The one element that is delaying the project is online protection.  Currently for some reason I still have Norton 360 which is fully working and recently updated itself , however that came with the old Xfinity account that was closed in May of last year (it has "Xfinity" on the main menu pane).  I checked with my current ISP and they do not provide AV service so it isn't like it was extended through them, and the menu just hasn't updated (kind of like the Daz shortcut which still shows 4.6 even though I have the general release of 4.9).  So basically I have been somehow given fortune through an oversight which I won't gripe about.  

    However, once I install the new HDD and W7 Pro, then do a fresh install of all my programmes, the system will no longer be protected as the licence will not transfer over, so once I go online to register W7 Pro (granted there is a grace period but I just like to get the formalities over with as soon as I can) I do so without any protection. From my past experiences, I view any MS built in AV as being about as secure as a screen door on the ISS (the only time I got a serious infection was when I relied on Windows Security).  Hence, I do not trust MS system security as far as I can throw CEO Nadella (which with my arthritis isn't very far). 

    So I go down to the local Office Depot a couple blocks away yesterday and surprisingly find the latest Norton Deluxe (that covers up to five devices) for only 39$.  Excellent...well...not so, fast as the box only contains an activation key, no install DVD, so I have to go online to install it.  Therein is the conundrum as I have to get online with minimal to no protection to use Google to go to another site and download an AV product to protect my computer from infection when I'm online.  Now I don't much mind doing so for other programmes, like Daz, PSP, or a monthly PS subscription when my system is fully protected), but for something that is designed to keep my system safe the moment I first open FF (which I backed up the installer for so I don't have to use IE) it seems just a bit dicey in these days of keyloggers and ransomware.

    This is one situation where the whole download over providing a physical copy breaks down in my book.  I would much rather have my AV in place and running before the I go online for the first time, not after.  A bit paranoid? You betcha, but having been burned once, don't want to go through it again.

    If you are behind a router that should firewall you from random attacks, just make sure that you get updated and the anti-virus before doing anything else.

  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,361
    kyoto kid said:

    ...OK so this is interesting. 

    Currently in the process of upgrading my existing system and bringing the second one online.  The one element that is delaying the project is online protection.  Currently for some reason I still have Norton 360 which is fully working and recently updated itself , however that came with the old Xfinity account that was closed in May of last year (it has "Xfinity" on the main menu pane).  I checked with my current ISP and they do not provide AV service so it isn't like it was extended through them, and the menu just hasn't updated (kind of like the Daz shortcut which still shows 4.6 even though I have the general release of 4.9).  So basically I have been somehow given fortune through an oversight which I won't gripe about.  

    However, once I install the new HDD and W7 Pro, then do a fresh install of all my programmes, the system will no longer be protected as the licence will not transfer over, so once I go online to register W7 Pro (granted there is a grace period but I just like to get the formalities over with as soon as I can) I do so without any protection. From my past experiences, I view any MS built in AV as being about as secure as a screen door on the ISS (the only time I got a serious infection was when I relied on Windows Security).  Hence, I do not trust MS system security as far as I can throw CEO Nadella (which with my arthritis isn't very far). 

    So I go down to the local Office Depot a couple blocks away yesterday and surprisingly find the latest Norton Deluxe (that covers up to five devices) for only 39$.  Excellent...well...not so, fast as the box only contains an activation key, no install DVD, so I have to go online to install it.  Therein is the conundrum as I have to get online with minimal to no protection to use Google to go to another site and download an AV product to protect my computer from infection when I'm online.  Now I don't much mind doing so for other programmes, like Daz, PSP, or a monthly PS subscription when my system is fully protected), but for something that is designed to keep my system safe the moment I first open FF (which I backed up the installer for so I don't have to use IE) it seems just a bit dicey in these days of keyloggers and ransomware.

    This is one situation where the whole download over providing a physical copy breaks down in my book.  I would much rather have my AV in place and running before the I go online for the first time, not after.  A bit paranoid? You betcha, but having been burned once, don't want to go through it again.

    If your current Norton is still working, use that to link directly to Norton's website, and purchase the package directly.  Save all keys and passwords and such, do your upgrade, then use the link to install to go directly to the download.  It should be an https:  link.  Or, perhaps, they send you an installer.  Then you can just save that somewhere safe, do your upgrade, copy that back and run it.  As long as you do things with secure mode (https:), these things should work safely.

    Dana

  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,361
    Richard Haseltine said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...OK so this is interesting. 

    Currently in the process of upgrading my existing system and bringing the second one online.  The one element that is delaying the project is online protection.  Currently for some reason I still have Norton 360 which is fully working and recently updated itself , however that came with the old Xfinity account that was closed in May of last year (it has "Xfinity" on the main menu pane).  I checked with my current ISP and they do not provide AV service so it isn't like it was extended through them, and the menu just hasn't updated (kind of like the Daz shortcut which still shows 4.6 even though I have the general release of 4.9).  So basically I have been somehow given fortune through an oversight which I won't gripe about.  

    However, once I install the new HDD and W7 Pro, then do a fresh install of all my programmes, the system will no longer be protected as the licence will not transfer over, so once I go online to register W7 Pro (granted there is a grace period but I just like to get the formalities over with as soon as I can) I do so without any protection. From my past experiences, I view any MS built in AV as being about as secure as a screen door on the ISS (the only time I got a serious infection was when I relied on Windows Security).  Hence, I do not trust MS system security as far as I can throw CEO Nadella (which with my arthritis isn't very far). 

    So I go down to the local Office Depot a couple blocks away yesterday and surprisingly find the latest Norton Deluxe (that covers up to five devices) for only 39$.  Excellent...well...not so, fast as the box only contains an activation key, no install DVD, so I have to go online to install it.  Therein is the conundrum as I have to get online with minimal to no protection to use Google to go to another site and download an AV product to protect my computer from infection when I'm online.  Now I don't much mind doing so for other programmes, like Daz, PSP, or a monthly PS subscription when my system is fully protected), but for something that is designed to keep my system safe the moment I first open FF (which I backed up the installer for so I don't have to use IE) it seems just a bit dicey in these days of keyloggers and ransomware.

    This is one situation where the whole download over providing a physical copy breaks down in my book.  I would much rather have my AV in place and running before the I go online for the first time, not after.  A bit paranoid? You betcha, but having been burned once, don't want to go through it again.

    If you are behind a router that should firewall you from random attacks, just make sure that you get updated and the anti-virus before doing anything else.

    The days when that was true are long gone.  Those were wonderful times.  Best bet now is using only https: connections.

    Dana

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,117

    ...only currently have a direct hardwire connection.  Still looking for an affordable hardwired gigabit router so I can also network the two systems together.

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,420

    My kindle ereader is not all that I hoped it would be.

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,420

    The kindle does not have the main feature I want which is immersion reading.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,117

    ..agh I hate getting sales support people for whom English is clearly a second language. Just had the simple question about if I purchased the package could I get a downloadable installer instead of installing on line and for the last 30 min was run around about the different plans and options when I already knew which one I needed, then go off and start asking me how I feel bout topics related to Net Neutrality, targeted ads etc.  Finally I was able to get the technical site address to chat with an actual technician about getting an install file without having to install online (didn't mention that I was no longer with the previous provider that offered the AV as part of their service).

    Going to contact their tech support tomorrow as I want to make 100% sure I can download a full installer package before I plunk any money down.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,117
    Miss Bad Wolf said:

    The kindle does not have the main feature I want which is immersion reading.

    ...you want to read while in the bath?

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,420
    kyoto kid said:
    Miss Bad Wolf said:

    The kindle does not have the main feature I want which is immersion reading.

    ...you want to read while in the bath?

    That sounds great right now, but that is not what I meant.  It is more like the read aloud books but not just for kids.  It reads the book aloud while I follow the text.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    tea time again, brrr, mug to keep my hands warm

  • NVIATWASNVIATWAS Posts: 1,242
    kyoto kid said:
    Mistara said:

    the sun will come out tomorrow , 

     

    or Monday rather, rain predicted all weekend..  inch worm measuring the marigolds, ... or was it daffodyls

    ...ugh still only in the 30s (36° which is 1° below the normal low temperature for this time of year) and that will probably be our high for the day.  more frozen white from the sky forecast for tonight.  A scorcher tomorrow, 48° under partly sunny skies.  Break out the Hawai'ian shirts and sunscreen.

    SPG 1000 and welders goggles!!!

  • NVIATWASNVIATWAS Posts: 1,242
    DanaTA said:
    NVIATWAS said:
    Mistara said:

    the sun will come out tomorrow , 

     

    or Monday rather, rain predicted all weekend..  inch worm measuring the marigolds, ... or was it daffodyls

    Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow, come what may...

    You'd lose.  Tomorrow never comes.  It's always today!

    Dana

    Never saw 'Annie', I'd guess?

  • NVIATWASNVIATWAS Posts: 1,242
    kyoto kid said:
    NVIATWAS said:

    Ooooh, looks like it might just be cloudy all day and not rain!  If no rain by Noon, I'm going to suit up and head to the boozatorium and get me some potato wodka and diet Coke for the weekend.  Have to treat myself on occasion while I clean all my affairs up.

    Some thunderstorms tomorrow, partly cloudy Sunday and sunny Monday, which means grocery shopping Monday.  Going to fill my backpack with basics for a couple of weeks, including baked beans for beans and franks and some butermilk biscuits.  Hopefully this time I won't end up needing a ton of aspirin after the trip... :-|

    ...that reminds me finished off the whiskey last night. need to go across the street and get something for the next month, maybe potato wodka as well (particularly with all this Warsaw like weather we've been having).

    It rained here despite the forecast.  No wodka for the weekend, just dampness until late Sunday.  Blech.

  • NVIATWASNVIATWAS Posts: 1,242
    kyoto kid said:

    ...unusual situation yesterday.  Had my Net service go flaky twice in the afternoon even though the icon on the bottom of the screen indicated I was still connected.  When I attempted to call my ISPs tech support (a local independent service), the signal on my phone kept breaking up and finally quit even though the battery was at 100% and I had a full 5 bars of connectivity.  The really odd part in all this is that the phone service I have is with one of the major carriers, not the service that supplies my Net access.  It was as if someone turned on some kind of area wide signal jammer or wave wall for about 20 min each time, then turned it off.

    In one church here cell calls during service were such a problem they installed a jammer for a few services.  Put a quick end to the problem.

  • NVIATWASNVIATWAS Posts: 1,242
    kyoto kid said:

    ..agh I hate getting sales support people for whom English is clearly a second language. Just had the simple question about if I purchased the package could I get a downloadable installer instead of installing on line and for the last 30 min was run around about the different plans and options when I already knew which one I needed, then go off and start asking me how I feel bout topics related to Net Neutrality, targeted ads etc.  Finally I was able to get the technical site address to chat with an actual technician about getting an install file without having to install online (didn't mention that I was no longer with the previous provider that offered the AV as part of their service).

    Going to contact their tech support tomorrow as I want to make 100% sure I can download a full installer package before I plunk any money down.

    Imported idiots are a plague.  Placement agencies hire these guys for a few bucks an hour to run database searches and send emails, they can barely speak English and are clueless as to the jobs they're recruiting for.  About 4-5 times a week I get recruiters leaving messages in such a thick Hindi accent I can't understand them, so at this point I just delete them the instant I hear an accent.

    I had 3 emails for an iOS programmer position and I don't have iOS anywhere on my resume' and I've only touched a Mac about 12 years ago!! What happened to placement agents that were somewhat technical? :-|

    The world is drowning in idiots... :-/

     

  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,361
    kyoto kid said:

    ...only currently have a direct hardwire connection.  Still looking for an affordable hardwired gigabit router so I can also network the two systems together.

    Was that reply to me?  If so, that has nothign to do with what I was saying.  You still need to do business only when you have a secure connection (https:).

    Dana

  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,361
    kyoto kid said:
    Miss Bad Wolf said:

    The kindle does not have the main feature I want which is immersion reading.

    ...you want to read while in the bath?

    laugh​  laugh​  laugh​  

    Dana

  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,361
    NVIATWAS said:
    DanaTA said:
    NVIATWAS said:
    Mistara said:

    the sun will come out tomorrow , 

     

    or Monday rather, rain predicted all weekend..  inch worm measuring the marigolds, ... or was it daffodyls

    Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow, come what may...

    You'd lose.  Tomorrow never comes.  It's always today!

    Dana

    Never saw 'Annie', I'd guess?

    It seems she was delusional!   laugh​ 

    When the Sun comes out...ask yourself, what day is it tomorrow?  Does that sound wrong?  It is.  What day is it today? is the only question that makes sense.  Especially if you've been out of work for a long, long, time!  laugh

    Dana

  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,361
    NVIATWAS said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...unusual situation yesterday.  Had my Net service go flaky twice in the afternoon even though the icon on the bottom of the screen indicated I was still connected.  When I attempted to call my ISPs tech support (a local independent service), the signal on my phone kept breaking up and finally quit even though the battery was at 100% and I had a full 5 bars of connectivity.  The really odd part in all this is that the phone service I have is with one of the major carriers, not the service that supplies my Net access.  It was as if someone turned on some kind of area wide signal jammer or wave wall for about 20 min each time, then turned it off.

    In one church here cell calls during service were such a problem they installed a jammer for a few services.  Put a quick end to the problem.

    Let's hope they don't have a similar situation to that church last year...nobody would be able to call 911.  indecision

    Dana

  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,361
    NVIATWAS said:
    kyoto kid said:

    Imported idiots are a plague. 

    Yeah, we have quite enough of the domestic type!  laugh 

    Dana

     

  • NVIATWASNVIATWAS Posts: 1,242
    DanaTA said:
    NVIATWAS said:
    DanaTA said:
    NVIATWAS said:
    Mistara said:

    the sun will come out tomorrow , 

     

    or Monday rather, rain predicted all weekend..  inch worm measuring the marigolds, ... or was it daffodyls

    Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow, come what may...

    You'd lose.  Tomorrow never comes.  It's always today!

    Dana

    Never saw 'Annie', I'd guess?

    It seems she was delusional!   laugh​ 

    When the Sun comes out...ask yourself, what day is it tomorrow?  Does that sound wrong?  It is.  What day is it today? is the only question that makes sense.  Especially if you've been out of work for a long, long, time!  laugh

    Dana

    What day it is tomorrow is always (today+1).  But if you want to get technical with me, consider that there is no such thing as 'now'.  As slow as neural activity is, 'now' was actual a few milliseconds ago.  The whole 'be in the now' business is physically impossible.  However, you can easily be in the 'just a few milliseconds' ago. :-p

    It's all relative to your frame of reference.  Your computers 'now' is closer to whatever might constitute 'true now' than yours but it's still some number of processor clocks after 'now' has slid into the past.

    But I wax pedantic... ;-p

     

  • NVIATWASNVIATWAS Posts: 1,242
    DanaTA said:
    NVIATWAS said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...unusual situation yesterday.  Had my Net service go flaky twice in the afternoon even though the icon on the bottom of the screen indicated I was still connected.  When I attempted to call my ISPs tech support (a local independent service), the signal on my phone kept breaking up and finally quit even though the battery was at 100% and I had a full 5 bars of connectivity.  The really odd part in all this is that the phone service I have is with one of the major carriers, not the service that supplies my Net access.  It was as if someone turned on some kind of area wide signal jammer or wave wall for about 20 min each time, then turned it off.

    In one church here cell calls during service were such a problem they installed a jammer for a few services.  Put a quick end to the problem.

    Let's hope they don't have a similar situation to that church last year...nobody would be able to call 911.  indecision

    Dana

    It was somebody's good idea at the time.  Thinking things through is not a lot of peoples strong suit... :-/

  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,361
    NVIATWAS said:
    DanaTA said:
    NVIATWAS said:
    DanaTA said:
    NVIATWAS said:
    Mistara said:

    the sun will come out tomorrow , 

     

    or Monday rather, rain predicted all weekend..  inch worm measuring the marigolds, ... or was it daffodyls

    Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow, come what may...

    You'd lose.  Tomorrow never comes.  It's always today!

    Dana

    Never saw 'Annie', I'd guess?

    It seems she was delusional!   laugh​ 

    When the Sun comes out...ask yourself, what day is it tomorrow?  Does that sound wrong?  It is.  What day is it today? is the only question that makes sense.  Especially if you've been out of work for a long, long, time!  laugh

    Dana

    What day it is tomorrow is always (today+1).  But if you want to get technical with me, consider that there is no such thing as 'now'.  As slow as neural activity is, 'now' was actual a few milliseconds ago.  The whole 'be in the now' business is physically impossible.  However, you can easily be in the 'just a few milliseconds' ago. :-p

    It's all relative to your frame of reference.  Your computers 'now' is closer to whatever might constitute 'true now' than yours but it's still some number of processor clocks after 'now' has slid into the past.

    But I wax pedantic... ;-p

     

    What?  You wax you pecs?   laugh​  laugh​  laugh​  

    Dana

  • NVIATWASNVIATWAS Posts: 1,242

    Chill, damp and dark outside.  Chill, damp, and light outside tomorrow.  Currently 'damp' seems to be the unifying constant...

    Since I missed my booze run chance, I'll be sending out for a Pizza Hut Big Dinner Box later today: two persoanl pan-crust pizzas, eight wings, and five breadsticks for about $20 plus tax and delivery.  That's 3 meals right there!

    I will not be getting the garlic sauce on garlic crust pizza this time... :-|

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,117
    Miss Bad Wolf said:
    kyoto kid said:
    Miss Bad Wolf said:

    The kindle does not have the main feature I want which is immersion reading.

    ...you want to read while in the bath?

    That sounds great right now, but that is not what I meant.  It is more like the read aloud books but not just for kids.  It reads the book aloud while I follow the text.

    ...aahh, kind of like a digital "book on tape".

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,117
    NVIATWAS said:
    kyoto kid said:
    Mistara said:

    the sun will come out tomorrow , 

     

    or Monday rather, rain predicted all weekend..  inch worm measuring the marigolds, ... or was it daffodyls

    ...ugh still only in the 30s (36° which is 1° below the normal low temperature for this time of year) and that will probably be our high for the day.  more frozen white from the sky forecast for tonight.  A scorcher tomorrow, 48° under partly sunny skies.  Break out the Hawai'ian shirts and sunscreen.

    SPG 1000 and welders goggles!!!

    ...I still have my "eclipse glasses".

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,117
    edited February 2018
    DanaTA said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...only currently have a direct hardwire connection.  Still looking for an affordable hardwired gigabit router so I can also network the two systems together.

    Was that reply to me?  If so, that has nothign to do with what I was saying.  You still need to do business only when you have a secure connection (https:).

    Dana

    ...no, Richard.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • NVIATWASNVIATWAS Posts: 1,242
    kyoto kid said:
    NVIATWAS said:
    kyoto kid said:
    Mistara said:

    the sun will come out tomorrow , 

     

    or Monday rather, rain predicted all weekend..  inch worm measuring the marigolds, ... or was it daffodyls

    ...ugh still only in the 30s (36° which is 1° below the normal low temperature for this time of year) and that will probably be our high for the day.  more frozen white from the sky forecast for tonight.  A scorcher tomorrow, 48° under partly sunny skies.  Break out the Hawai'ian shirts and sunscreen.

    SPG 1000 and welders goggles!!!

    ...I still have my "eclipse glasses".

    You're good to go then!! :-)

  • NVIATWASNVIATWAS Posts: 1,242

    Finally bedtime!  Too much strong coffee, ugh.  But it's a new day so we'll see what happens...

  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,352
    DanaTA said:
    Tjohn said:

    Sunny here presently. 

    Man of few words, lately.  Everything OK?  indecision

    Dana

    Yep.

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