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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,006
    edited August 2016
    AllenArt said:
    nDelphi said:
    AllenArt said:
    nDelphi said:

    You can turn off Cortana and the telemetry in Windows 10 Anniversary. Do you have a link that says otherwise?

     

    http://www.howtogeek.com/248177/whats-new-in-windows-10s-anniversary-update/

    Down toward the bottom it says "... there’s no easily accessible option for disabling Cortana anymore. You can make Cortana not remember your personal information if you’re concerned about privacy, but you can’t fully disable it without a hidden registry hack or group policy setting." Like I said above, I know I can do a registry hack, but I shouldn't HAVE to. If you can't fully disable Cortana without hacking it, even if you can make it forget your info - it's still LISTENING. We are in the age of NSA snooping. I don't trust anyone.

    Laurie

    It was the way you worded it. Well, since I have to use Windows because I need the software that runs only on it, I have to find solutions, so Spybot Anti-Beacon does the trick and you don't have to mess with the registry on your own.

    It will always be a cat and mouse game, nothing is full proof. Microsoft will circumvent these tools only to find them circumvent them a few days or weeks later.

    For now I have to use Microsoft too, but it doesn't mean I have to like it LOL. I use SpyBot Anti-Beacon as well, until as you said, they circumvent it. At some point in the future I'll have to decide whether to ditch Windows (and therefore 3D - or at least Poser and/or DS) or take my chances with Windows (right now I'm leaning toward the former).

    ...I'm in the same position.  The only (financially) "accessible" 3D software currently available for Linux is Blender. Since there are few decent "how to" books and tutorials have all gone to video format (the latter which I have a very low retention rate with) I have to learn this stuff pretty much by the "seat of the pants".  I liken Daz to learning how to fly a Cessna light aeroplane, while I equate Blender to being seated at the controls of a (now retired) Lockheed./Martin Space Shuttle Orbiter.

    What MS has done was effectively shut down "normal" security support for W7 three years and four months before the actual deadline with this W10 like policy change. The only thing to do is turn updating completely off, which means being unable to receive any beneficial updates to counter new virus/malware that exploits existing flaws.  Someone who commented on ZDNet a short while back mentioned to look out for MS doing just such a thing to effectively pull the plug on W7 users.earlier than the published EOSL date.  Looks like that person was prophetic. 

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  • Kendall SearsKendall Sears Posts: 2,995
    I block all windows boxes and VMs from the internet at the Cisco router. When I do open it for a specific windows instance to get out microsoft.com is blocked in the sites blacklist. They get nothing.

    So, im pretty much just a mass market, basic user. I turned off updates back when the stupid win10 popup came out. Im still on win7 and 8.1. You mentioned blocking microsoft from the router awhile back and I thought that was an excellent idea. I dont know how though. Could you give me a brief explanation on how to do this if its not a big trouble?

    Im also finding Linux more and more attractive everytime this MS nonsense comes up.

    OK.  If you are using any recently (last 3-4 years) manufactured wifi-router, it should have a section to block sites/services by name or keyword.  If so, set the block to *.microsoft.com (if the router requires a wildcard), microsoft.com (if it uses the domain to block all), or *microsoft.com* (if it blocks via keywords).  Your router's help area/manual should give you basic instructions.  What I do is block the machines' ARP (workstation) or IP (VM) addresses at the router which prevents them from communicating with the internet while allowong them complete access to the internal network.

    If you are comfortable with flashing the firmware, you can fairly easily install dd-wrt onto most routers and this will give you professional quality firewall abilities without paying for the professional costing hardware.

    Kendall

  • nDelphinDelphi Posts: 1,928
    If you are comfortable with flashing the firmware, you can fairly easily install dd-wrt onto most routers and this will give you professional quality firewall abilities without paying for the professional costing hardware.

    Kendall

    I ordered two WRT54GLs and my plans are to flash them with DD-WRT.

  • Kev914Kev914 Posts: 1,129

    The official Microsoft acknowledgements says that the freeze issue affects a small per cent of their users who have a SSD drive with the apps installed on a secondary drive.

    Well, I'm sure I don't have an SSD drive. Both my machines came with a 1 terabyte hard drive. I'm pretty sure they don't make SSD drives that big. And all my apps are installed on the C drive. And yet I still got the freeze on two different pcs on the same day. Right after they pushed out a patch to the Anniversary update. I only used the anniversary update for a few hours but during that time I didn't notice any issues. It was the patch I think that killed my systems.

  • nDelphinDelphi Posts: 1,928
    KevinH said:

    The official Microsoft acknowledgements says that the freeze issue affects a small per cent of their users who have a SSD drive with the apps installed on a secondary drive.

    For sure that is not true. There is also a lag with input on some Windows 10 setups. I noticed it on my wife's notebook.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,705
    kyoto kid said:

    What MS has done was effectively shut down "normal" security support for W7 three years and four months before the actual deadline with this W10 like policy change. The only thing to do is turn updating completely off, which means being unable to receive any beneficial updates to counter new virus/malware that exploits existing flaws.  Someone who commented on ZDNet a short while back mentioned to look out for MS doing just such a thing to effectively pull the plug on W7 users.earlier than the published EOSL date.  Looks like that person was prophetic. 

    You can still get a security-only monthly update, just not through Windows Update.

  • I block all windows boxes and VMs from the internet at the Cisco router. When I do open it for a specific windows instance to get out microsoft.com is blocked in the sites blacklist. They get nothing.

    So, im pretty much just a mass market, basic user. I turned off updates back when the stupid win10 popup came out. Im still on win7 and 8.1. You mentioned blocking microsoft from the router awhile back and I thought that was an excellent idea. I dont know how though. Could you give me a brief explanation on how to do this if its not a big trouble?

    Im also finding Linux more and more attractive everytime this MS nonsense comes up.

    OK.  If you are using any recently (last 3-4 years) manufactured wifi-router, it should have a section to block sites/services by name or keyword.  If so, set the block to *.microsoft.com (if the router requires a wildcard), microsoft.com (if it uses the domain to block all), or *microsoft.com* (if it blocks via keywords).  Your router's help area/manual should give you basic instructions.  What I do is block the machines' ARP (workstation) or IP (VM) addresses at the router which prevents them from communicating with the internet while allowong them complete access to the internal network.

    If you are comfortable with flashing the firmware, you can fairly easily install dd-wrt onto most routers and this will give you professional quality firewall abilities without paying for the professional costing hardware.

    Kendall

    Thanks Kendall. Appreciated.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,006
    edited August 2016
    kyoto kid said:

    What MS has done was effectively shut down "normal" security support for W7 three years and four months before the actual deadline with this W10 like policy change. The only thing to do is turn updating completely off, which means being unable to receive any beneficial updates to counter new virus/malware that exploits existing flaws.  Someone who commented on ZDNet a short while back mentioned to look out for MS doing just such a thing to effectively pull the plug on W7 users.earlier than the published EOSL date.  Looks like that person was prophetic. 

    You can still get a security-only monthly update, just not through Windows Update.

    ...however will that allow for downloading of separate update files or will they also be bundled as well?   It's not just Optional updates that have bugs and flaws in them. After MS began stuffing the GW10 and W10 nagware updates in with the "recommended" security ones, I trust them about as far as I could throw a Greyhound bus.  W8 was a failure in that it tried to provide a "one size fits all devices" OS.  I'm sorry but a touch screen smartphone interface does not work or belong on a desktop workstation. I thought thing's couldn't get any worse until W10 with MS's ham fisted implementation and heavy handed policies used to push it on the user base.

    They missed their target by about 600 million machines partly because of people like myself who refused to become test subjects for their "free" (read beta) offer.  I'm sure their brass isn't pleased about the embarrassment of falling so short of their claim a year ago.  They could just simply leave us alone and leave things the way they were, but no, instead have to push this latest tactic to try and force us to switch.

    There's a reason I often refer to them these days as "MommySoft".

     

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  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    KevinH said:

    The official Microsoft acknowledgements says that the freeze issue affects a small per cent of their users who have a SSD drive with the apps installed on a secondary drive.

    Well, I'm sure I don't have an SSD drive. Both my machines came with a 1 terabyte hard drive. I'm pretty sure they don't make SSD drives that big. And all my apps are installed on the C drive. And yet I still got the freeze on two different pcs on the same day. Right after they pushed out a patch to the Anniversary update. I only used the anniversary update for a few hours but during that time I didn't notice any issues. It was the patch I think that killed my systems.

    Consumer drivers are available that big, and I think up to 2TB; there are SSDs available up to about 7TB (I thought I'd read about a larger one, but can't find the link - no matter it's there. Enterprise level SSDs) - you don't want to know the cost. :)

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/10555/seagate-introduces-10gbs-pcie-ssd-and-60tb-sas-ssd

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,006

    ...the largest consumer SSDs I've seen are 1 TB For SATA III drives which sell for around 350$ on up depending on manufacturer quality, and access speed.

  • TangoAlphaTangoAlpha Posts: 4,587

    I have a 1TB Samsung 850 Evo SSD in my PC (bought this past April). Since then SSD prices have gone through the roof -- up 60% ! (I paid £159, and the same drive is selling now for £241 - $313 approx, ex tax) Sure the pound is way down against the dollar, but not by that much! 2TB and 4TB SSDs are available & in stock in the same series for £540 and £1020 respectively. ($702 & $1326 approx)

    Still cheaper to buy a bunch of smaller drives and JBOD them together, than buy one big one though (if you need "1 big drive").

  • Kev914Kev914 Posts: 1,129

    So how can you tell if you have a SSD drive? My pc was pre-built. I looked at the Device Manager and I can see that it is a Western Digital drive. The listing looks similar to the second drive that I added when I bought the pc a year ago. I'm sure the second drive is just a standard SATA HD.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,705
    KevinH said:

    So how can you tell if you have a SSD drive? My pc was pre-built. I looked at the Device Manager and I can see that it is a Western Digital drive. The listing looks similar to the second drive that I added when I bought the pc a year ago. I'm sure the second drive is just a standard SATA HD.

    Google the model number.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited August 2016
    KevinH said:

    So how can you tell if you have a SSD drive? My pc was pre-built. I looked at the Device Manager and I can see that it is a Western Digital drive. The listing looks similar to the second drive that I added when I bought the pc a year ago. I'm sure the second drive is just a standard SATA HD.

    Get a small program called Speccy from Piriform.com....below is a screenshot of Speccy on my laptop. It shows both of my hard drives, of which one is an SSD and one is a standard drive under "Storage". The third device is my portable usb drive :).

    Laurie

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  • Everything was fine for me until after the Anniversary update then my computer became too slow to even use.  I reset it twice which is a hassle because some programs that have to be activated only allow up to so many activations.

    Anyway, I read online we can block all Windows Updates by tweaking some settings already in Windows which is what I did after my last reset.  So far no updates and I don't care if Windows isn't being updated with so-called Critical Updates.  At least my computer is humming along without all that junk being loaded behind my back.  Every so often I check to make sure my settings haven't been reversed, but I have backups if they do.

  • Kev914Kev914 Posts: 1,129

    Just wanted to update...

    Microsoft pushed the Anniversary update out to me today again. And it started out badly. As soon as I got to the log in screen and would type in 1 letter of my password, the screen would freeze and restart. I knew from past experience that after 4 or 5 attempts it would try to go to recovery mode.

    Since the last time, I was trying to think of what the problem would be. I wondered about my Microsoft wireless keyboad. I couldn't see how that could be an issue, but I went and plugged in a wired keyboard and do you know what? If I typed with the wired keyboard, I could login without any freeze and reboot. If I used the wireless keyboard, it would freeze and restart. I even confirmed it accidentally. I was in my normal account and I had Firefox open and I accidentally typed on the wireless keyboard and the pc froze and rebooted.

    And it's a Microsoft keyboard too.

    The mouse works OK though. They both use the same transmitter.

    Guess no more wireless keyboards for me.

    My other PC was doing the same thing and it has a wireless keyboard as well. But it's a different model than the one that was on this PC. The one on this PC is only a few months old.

    Go figure.

  • I had a lot of problems with the anniversary update and rolled back to a previous version. All of my perihperals were malfunctioning...mouse, keyboard, and headphones. They're all USB devices from Logitech, and their website said something about issues with the update.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited September 2016

    I rolled all the way back to 8.1 on all my computers ;). This time around, I've lost trust in MS to think they know what's better for my computer than I do. Shame...*sigh*

    Laurie

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  • Kev914Kev914 Posts: 1,129

    I have since found out that there seems to be some issue with Windows 10, Webroot and a wireless Microsoft mouse. Webroot said Microsoft rewrote their driver somehow and now they have to fix the issue it creates. Maybe some other anti-virus software has a similar issue. Most people affected get a BSOD with a reference to a driver. But I was in the middle of an upgrade so all I got was a freeze and a restart.

  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914

    I just recieved that stupid %$@&^ &*^E# message that windows installed updates and needs to reboot. Either schedule a time (which is only anytime up to tomorrow) or let windows pick a time (3am)

    So either way my machine is going to reboot tomorrow and I'm in the middle of a huge render that definately won't be done for a few days   >:(

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,282

    I just recieved that stupid %$@&^ &*^E# message that windows installed updates and needs to reboot. Either schedule a time (which is only anytime up to tomorrow) or let windows pick a time (3am)

    So either way my machine is going to reboot tomorrow and I'm in the middle of a huge render that definately won't be done for a few days   >:(

    I assume that it's the Home version (with Pro you can turn that thing off (why only Pro??)). Will it reboot automatically if there's user activity?

     

  • BlueIreneBlueIrene Posts: 1,318

    I was in the middle of something when I left my PC running last night. Fortunately I'd saved my work, but I wasn't impressed when I got up ready to pick up where I'd left off, only to find that the PC had restarted and was in the middle of the mammoth anniversary update. I sat there fuming at the 'Do not switch your computer off' message for what felt like forever (as if I'd knowingly told them that they could randomly switch it off - whose PC is it, anyway?). I even had time to give myself the much-needed manicure that I'd been promising myself for days.

    When the update was done, the PC restarted and everything on my screen was big and chunky. I checked my screen resolution and it was how I'd left it. Then I checked my drivers - they were up to date. It turned out that the update had done something to the display scaling. I've got it back to how I usually have things now, but what a load of faffing about, for no benefit to me whatsoever as far as I can tell. I hope I'm not going to encounter more Windows 10 'improvements' as the day goes on.

  • Oh, great. I have a SSD drive on my writing laptop. One would think that after a few decades of writing software that is supposed to be one size fits all. Microsoft could maybe get it right. Or stop trying. My experience with Win 10 has lead me toward the latter. Thanks for all the tips, folks. Wish me luck as I start up my laptop.

  • argel1200argel1200 Posts: 760
    edited September 2016

    I bit the bullet and upgraded to Pro to mainly have more control over reboots. With Pro you can also switch to a branch that does't get the new features as quickly.  Windows 10 Pro is targetted at power users and SOHO (small office/home office).

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  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914
    Taozen said:

     

    I assume that it's the Home version (with Pro you can turn that thing off (why only Pro??)). Will it reboot automatically if there's user activity?

     

    I should have pro, my Win 7 version was pro But I do not have the option to not reboot. :(

     

    Yep, just checked: Win 10 Pro

  • The only way to stop this is to block the updates from getting to your machine.  Unfortunately, just blocking microsoft.com isn't enough anymore.

    Kendall

  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914

    Perhaps if I could figure out how windows determines if a pc is in use or not, I could write a script to mimic the behavior and perhaps keep it from rebooting. Although I'm guessing it would just eventually force a reboot after a while anayway.

    I'm not sureif it's just detecting network activity, or network and mouse or what.

  • Kendall SearsKendall Sears Posts: 2,995
    edited September 2016

    If put off long enough W10 will reboot regardless of what is going on.  I've seen it reboot while a user is actively modifying a RevIT document because she kept telling it "not now".  It literally started the reboot cycle between mouse clicks.

    EDIT:  Following the reboot I was asked to roll her back to Windows 7 at the first opportunity.

    Kendall

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  • In Windows 10 Pro post August feature update, bring up the Update Settings, then look for "Restart Options". You should have the ability to set a custom restart time there. There have to be pending updates to set it.  Note that Microsoft may force secuirity patches.

  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914

    I had thought of rolling back to 7 when I first installed 10

    But really, 10's not so bad. The only real issue I have with it is the no option to "let me chose when to install updates" that windows used to have.

    That and I've got too much work vested in my computer right now to start over.

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