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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,010
    AllenArt said:
    kyoto kid said:
    namffuak said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...if it works on dial up it should on fibre optic as well.  Yeah need to get a third drive for Linux.  Leaves me with a bit of a decision as I could go with a 250GB SSD for the W7 drive which would mean faster load times (as well as faster swapping when render loads get too big) and use the existing HDD as the Linux boot drive.

    So I take it this setup would require dual logins as well (W7 and Linux)?

    At the computer level, yes if you're dual-booting. At the DAZ store level, no. I've never done it, but you might ge able to boot off a live Linux DVD without installing to your system.

    ...I feel it just be better having it resident on the system. There are times I would need the DVD drive free for other things (like watching films or listening to music & such).

    You also might be able to run it fine from a USB 3 thumb drive. I got a 128 gig drive for less than 40 bucks recently (and that's more than large enough for Linux). I wouldn't go USB 2 tho, although, theoretically you could. USB 3 would be much faster.

    Laurie

    ...I think my system is only USB2. I can also get a 256 GB SSD for about what the smaller HDD cost me when I built the system.

  • akmerlowakmerlow Posts: 1,124

    So i heard from many people how latest win10 update deletes My Documents

    :o

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/08/the-latest-windows-10-update-started-randomly-deleting-peoples-files-8016421/

    https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/6/17944966/microsoft-windows-10-october-2018-update-documents-deleted-issues-windows-update-paused

     

  • GeorgehazeGeorgehaze Posts: 189

    According to 'Forbes', as of yesterday, Microsoft has temporarily put a hold on pushing out the Fall 2018 update as a result of multiple complaints over issues resulting from its installation (such as missing files, corrupted user profiles, etc).

    No word has been announced (yet) as to when the update will begin again.  

  • akmerlowakmerlow Posts: 1,124

    Imagining how anyone could loose all daz3d data in mydocs

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited October 2018

    My Daz Studio was hosed last year after fall creators update. I dealt with the twitchy mouse and waited for a studio or windows update to fix the problem but nothing came out. When no one seemed interested in fixing the issue. I uninstalled that update and changed my WiFi setting to metered to stop the onslaught of more poorly made updates.

    i now know any problems with updates by will likely never be addressed in a timely way if ever. Especially when you are in the minority of having problems.

    Post edited by Serene Night on
  • ebergerlyebergerly Posts: 3,255
    Seems strange that after all of the alpha/beta "Insider" pre-testing that goes on there could be such a big problem like this. I'm guessing theres more to the issue...
  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,780

    I guess I have been lucky. The very 1st Windows 10 from Windows 8.1 upgrade went very poorly for me (so much so that I clean installed Windows 10 rather than stick with Windows 8.1 which would have stopped my publishing games to the Windows Universal SDK completely and also Windows 8.1 OS has SW bugs in allowing HW access) but all the others have gone good. All have been more reliable that the old Vista to 7 or 7 to 8 or 8 to 10 Windows upgrades. I used to backup all my documents & write down & reinsall all my programs (just by copying the menu icons to external drive so I'd have a list) rather than risk an OS upgrade. I haven't bothered with that on the Windows 10 to Windows 10 upgrades. I have very basic HW though and all my /Documents are on a D: drive rather than the system drive. 

  • drafter69_696b99e42bdrafter69_696b99e42b Posts: 348

    Microsoft is now advising people to NOT update until they fix the problem. It seems the update is deleating some files.....

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    It depends on one’s hardware, whether the original manufacturer creates updates and cares. Unfortunately it seems too often once a company makes money on a computer sale driver updates are rare. If something one company does breaks something else unless it’s a popular thing, it will never be fixed 

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,452

    I decided back in the NT 4.0 days that my data would NOT live on the OS drive. I don't tolerate software that insists on using 'My Documents' to store anything other than configuration settings. And I've never bought into the whole 'My Documents' layout strategy. I keep all data for a project in a project directory - spreadsheets, documentation, images - everything. I only use sub-directories in a project if the file count exceeds about two screens worth of detail format in explorer. And when I'm done I can just zip the whole directory for archival purposes.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,758
    namffuak said:

    I decided back in the NT 4.0 days that my data would NOT live on the OS drive. I don't tolerate software that insists on using 'My Documents' to store anything other than configuration settings. And I've never bought into the whole 'My Documents' layout strategy. I keep all data for a project in a project directory - spreadsheets, documentation, images - everything. I only use sub-directories in a project if the file count exceeds about two screens worth of detail format in explorer. And when I'm done I can just zip the whole directory for archival purposes.

    You can move the Docuemnts folder off the C: drive anyway - which should stop applications from defaulting to using the C: drive in the first place (it certainly works for DS). Open the Properties dialogue for the Documents folder in your user folder, go to the Location tab, and click the Move button. Public Documents has an editable text field in the Location tab but no Move button, I haven't tried changing that.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,010
    Georgehaze said:

    According to 'Forbes', as of yesterday, Microsoft has temporarily put a hold on pushing out the Fall 2018 update as a result of multiple complaints over issues resulting from its installation (such as missing files, corrupted user profiles, etc).

    No word has been announced (yet) as to when the update will begin again.  

    ...ZDNet has a similar article this morning..

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,010
    Richard Haseltine said:
    namffuak said:

    I decided back in the NT 4.0 days that my data would NOT live on the OS drive. I don't tolerate software that insists on using 'My Documents' to store anything other than configuration settings. And I've never bought into the whole 'My Documents' layout strategy. I keep all data for a project in a project directory - spreadsheets, documentation, images - everything. I only use sub-directories in a project if the file count exceeds about two screens worth of detail format in explorer. And when I'm done I can just zip the whole directory for archival purposes.

    You can move the Docuemnts folder off the C: drive anyway - which should stop applications from defaulting to using the C: drive in the first place (it certainly works for DS). Open the Properties dialogue for the Documents folder in your user folder, go to the Location tab, and click the Move button. Public Documents has an editable text field in the Location tab but no Move button, I haven't tried changing that.

    ..all my Daz Data and content reside on a separate drive just for that reason.  Made updating from 7 Home Premium to Pro much easier.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,780
    Serene Night said:

    It depends on one’s hardware, whether the original manufacturer creates updates and cares. Unfortunately it seems too often once a company makes money on a computer sale driver updates are rare. If something one company does breaks something else unless it’s a popular thing, it will never be fixed 

    Tell me about it. I bought a $1250 ASUS EP121 tablet with Windows 7 in Spring 2012 and by Spring 2013 Asus & Intel dropped all support for it. What supoort there was was via Windows driver compatibility efforts and absolutely not from ASUS or Intel. Three years later in Spring 2015 the lithium ion battery in it exploded, cracked and melted the gorilla glass screen. So I owe a lot more loyalty and respect to Microsoft from a SW and HW customer perspective (only) than I do to Intel or ASUS. 

    So now it's new entry level desktops or unsed laptops only. 

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    My current laptop is an asus and I go to a third party guy to find drivers since,there is nothing new at the asus site since the hardware was made. 

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,364
    kyoto kid said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    namffuak said:

    I decided back in the NT 4.0 days that my data would NOT live on the OS drive. I don't tolerate software that insists on using 'My Documents' to store anything other than configuration settings. And I've never bought into the whole 'My Documents' layout strategy. I keep all data for a project in a project directory - spreadsheets, documentation, images - everything. I only use sub-directories in a project if the file count exceeds about two screens worth of detail format in explorer. And when I'm done I can just zip the whole directory for archival purposes.

    You can move the Docuemnts folder off the C: drive anyway - which should stop applications from defaulting to using the C: drive in the first place (it certainly works for DS). Open the Properties dialogue for the Documents folder in your user folder, go to the Location tab, and click the Move button. Public Documents has an editable text field in the Location tab but no Move button, I haven't tried changing that.

    ..all my Daz Data and content reside on a separate drive just for that reason.  Made updating from 7 Home Premium to Pro much easier.

    As is mine.  My Library is backed up 2 other places too just to make sure!  

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    Richard Haseltine said:
    namffuak said:

    I decided back in the NT 4.0 days that my data would NOT live on the OS drive. I don't tolerate software that insists on using 'My Documents' to store anything other than configuration settings. And I've never bought into the whole 'My Documents' layout strategy. I keep all data for a project in a project directory - spreadsheets, documentation, images - everything. I only use sub-directories in a project if the file count exceeds about two screens worth of detail format in explorer. And when I'm done I can just zip the whole directory for archival purposes.

    You can move the Docuemnts folder off the C: drive anyway - which should stop applications from defaulting to using the C: drive in the first place (it certainly works for DS). Open the Properties dialogue for the Documents folder in your user folder, go to the Location tab, and click the Move button. Public Documents has an editable text field in the Location tab but no Move button, I haven't tried changing that.

    You can also add folders to the libraries; I don't, I use them for temp stuff. Important stuff goes on a seperate disk and is backed up - daily automatically.

  • ChatjdChatjd Posts: 152
    Richard Haseltine said:
    namffuak said:

    I decided back in the NT 4.0 days that my data would NOT live on the OS drive. I don't tolerate software that insists on using 'My Documents' to store anything other than configuration settings. And I've never bought into the whole 'My Documents' layout strategy. I keep all data for a project in a project directory - spreadsheets, documentation, images - everything. I only use sub-directories in a project if the file count exceeds about two screens worth of detail format in explorer. And when I'm done I can just zip the whole directory for archival purposes.

    You can move the Docuemnts folder off the C: drive anyway - which should stop applications from defaulting to using the C: drive in the first place (it certainly works for DS). Open the Properties dialogue for the Documents folder in your user folder, go to the Location tab, and click the Move button. Public Documents has an editable text field in the Location tab but no Move button, I haven't tried changing that.

    Just so you know, Microsoft Re-Released the Win10 October patch after pulling it to figure out the data deletion issue.  They found that it was home folder redirection that was causing the deletion issues (according to them, of course).  It sounds like though some were using folder redirection, they weren't using it completely and left data behind that got wiped out.  See the information at this link:  https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/10/09/updated-version-of-windows-10-october-2018-update-released-to-windows-insiders/#mdS5ob7Ao73Url36.97

  • ByrdieByrdie Posts: 1,783

    Yesterday my laptop downloaded this update all by itself. I was able to hold off on the install/reboot for as long as it lets me, which is maybe another 3 or 4 days. Article linked says it's Windows Insiders who got the patch and far as I know I'm not one of those. So ... safe to update or not?

     

  • ebergerlyebergerly Posts: 3,255

    I presume the vast majority of users have no problem with the update, including myself. Apparently it was those who implemented some sort of "folder re-direction" to redirect from their Videos/Music/Documents/etc. folders to some other folders. And it sounds like it might have been those who implemented the re-direction incorrectly (?). Not sure. Honestly I can't even figure out what the steps were to do that. I tried to follow some tutorials but it seemed like pages of steps needed to even accomplish "folder re-direction". So I'm guessing it was a tiny subset of users who had the problem. 

    BTW, if anyone has figured out exactly what and how this re-direction is I'd appreciate learning. I guess it's a way to click on one of your Videos/Music/etc. folders and it jumps to a server folder instead. 

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,758
    Byrdie said:

    Yesterday my laptop downloaded this update all by itself. I was able to hold off on the install/reboot for as long as it lets me, which is maybe another 3 or 4 days. Article linked says it's Windows Insiders who got the patch and far as I know I'm not one of those. So ... safe to update or not?

    MS says it has fixed the issue - though there were some regular updates yesterday too, are you sure the oen you have is the Fall update? It sounds as if they are still not pushing it widely.

  • Kev914Kev914 Posts: 1,129
    ebergerly said:

    I presume the vast majority of users have no problem with the update, including myself. Apparently it was those who implemented some sort of "folder re-direction" to redirect from their Videos/Music/Documents/etc. folders to some other folders. And it sounds like it might have been those who implemented the re-direction incorrectly (?). Not sure. Honestly I can't even figure out what the steps were to do that. I tried to follow some tutorials but it seemed like pages of steps needed to even accomplish "folder re-direction". So I'm guessing it was a tiny subset of users who had the problem. 

    BTW, if anyone has figured out exactly what and how this re-direction is I'd appreciate learning. I guess it's a way to click on one of your Videos/Music/etc. folders and it jumps to a server folder instead. 

    You just right click on the folder you want to re-direct...like Documents...and choose properties. On the location tab, you change the path to the location you want it to be. Then you click on Move and it will move all the files in the old location to the new. I know they said that it would ask you if you wanted to move the files, but MOVE seems to imply that it is going to. (It's been some time since I did this.) In any case, I transferred all my documents, music , etc to my D drive since my C drive was a smaller SS drive.

    My one PC has the update and it doesn't appear to have caused any problem. I never redirected the folders on that pc since it has a regular c drive. The update failed on the other pc that has re-direction. I understand that the update is blocked for users that have an Intel Audio device. Microsoft said there was conflict and Intel has to fix it before it gets pushed out to my main pc. I have the Intel audio device.

  • davidwski_16294691f0davidwski_16294691f0 Posts: 104
    edited October 2018
    Byrdie said:

    Yesterday my laptop downloaded this update all by itself. I was able to hold off on the install/reboot for as long as it lets me, which is maybe another 3 or 4 days. Article linked says it's Windows Insiders who got the patch and far as I know I'm not one of those. So ... safe to update or not?

     

    I think you are confusing the updates.  Windows 1803 (the current version) updated this week.  Version 1809 (the one with the problems) is still on hold.  According to Microsoft, 1809 was never put out into the general public.  It was only the early adopters, or people who forced the update who were affected.  If you received 1809, you should notify Microsoft, because they say that it can't happen.

    Post edited by davidwski_16294691f0 on
  • davidwski_16294691f0davidwski_16294691f0 Posts: 104
    ebergerly said:

    I presume the vast majority of users have no problem with the update, including myself. Apparently it was those who implemented some sort of "folder re-direction" to redirect from their Videos/Music/Documents/etc. folders to some other folders. And it sounds like it might have been those who implemented the re-direction incorrectly (?). Not sure. Honestly I can't even figure out what the steps were to do that. I tried to follow some tutorials but it seemed like pages of steps needed to even accomplish "folder re-direction". So I'm guessing it was a tiny subset of users who had the problem. 

    BTW, if anyone has figured out exactly what and how this re-direction is I'd appreciate learning. I guess it's a way to click on one of your Videos/Music/etc. folders and it jumps to a server folder instead. 

    According to Microsoft, the developers never considered that people who set up the re-directions would keep additional data in the original directories.  So 1809 was set to 'clean up' and delete the redundant original directories, but the problem was that Microsoft never set Windows to verify that the directories were empty before wiping them.  Some people also got caught unexpectedly because One-Drive sets up a form of the re-directing.

  • davidwski_16294691f0davidwski_16294691f0 Posts: 104
    KevinH said:
    ebergerly said:

    I presume the vast majority of users have no problem with the update, including myself. Apparently it was those who implemented some sort of "folder re-direction" to redirect from their Videos/Music/Documents/etc. folders to some other folders. And it sounds like it might have been those who implemented the re-direction incorrectly (?). Not sure. Honestly I can't even figure out what the steps were to do that. I tried to follow some tutorials but it seemed like pages of steps needed to even accomplish "folder re-direction". So I'm guessing it was a tiny subset of users who had the problem. 

    BTW, if anyone has figured out exactly what and how this re-direction is I'd appreciate learning. I guess it's a way to click on one of your Videos/Music/etc. folders and it jumps to a server folder instead. 

    You just right click on the folder you want to re-direct...like Documents...and choose properties. On the location tab, you change the path to the location you want it to be. Then you click on Move and it will move all the files in the old location to the new. I know they said that it would ask you if you wanted to move the files, but MOVE seems to imply that it is going to. (It's been some time since I did this.) In any case, I transferred all my documents, music , etc to my D drive since my C drive was a smaller SS drive.

    My one PC has the update and it doesn't appear to have caused any problem. I never redirected the folders on that pc since it has a regular c drive. The update failed on the other pc that has re-direction. I understand that the update is blocked for users that have an Intel Audio device. Microsoft said there was conflict and Intel has to fix it before it gets pushed out to my main pc. I have the Intel audio device.

    Update 1803 has an audio driver problem.  I had to re-download my intel audio drivers after updating today because of that bug.

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