OT Windows 10 update
Kev914
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Anyone having trouble with the new Windows 10 update. I got the anniversary update on two desktops two days ago. And it was all fine. Last night I shut down the one desktop and the there was a choice to UPDATE and shut down. So I chose that. I've done that many times. I was on the second desktop today and all was fine for several hours, and then I tried to open Corel Painter 2017 and it wouldn't open. I finally rebooted. And it said it was installing updates. I thought no wonder. I don't know why Microsoft automatically installs updates that require a reboot but they don't tell you. But this time it was worse. It rebooted several times, and then everytime it would get to the login screen, it would freeze as soon a I tired to do anything. After about four times, it said that it was attemting a repair, but then I guess it wants me to put in a disc because it said some file was corrupt or missing. So I got start the other machine and the same thing happens. I contacted Microsoft for help and they kept wanting me to start in safe mode, but neither machine would. She finally had me download an ISO file of windows to a USB drive. When I try to use it, the system tells me that I'm in the middle of an upgrade, that I should remove the USB and restart or else I can overwrite everything. I finally gave up and chose the second option and there was a repair option, but that didn't fix anything and doing a system restore failed. (I don't think it has ever worked for me for since windows 95 maybe. I'm now doing a restore from a backup on the one machine. If that doesn't work, I guess I'll try to install windows and keep my files (but lose my programs). The heck of it is that even if I get it fixed, Microsoft is just going to push out the updates again, I think.
I'm tempted to just go back to windows 8 if I have to rebuild the whole two machines. But I read that as of October 2018 that Microsoft will be pushing out one update a month to those systems. Individual updates won't be available anymore.
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I've had no trouble from the 1st anniversary update but there has already been patches in the meantime that required reboots.
I've had quite a bit of trouble. But I'm not sure if it was from the re-installation of Windows 10 or whether it's been down to any updates.
Well, the only way I could back into either machine was to do a restore from a back up to a point before the anniversary update. Two machines and they both had exactly the same problem. The anniversary updates went OK. but the next day they automatically installed some updates and after that it would just freeze and restart every time I tried to answer my password and after several attempts, I got a light blue screen that said a file was missing or corrupt. Same thing on both machines.
Now I dread any update. If I have to rebuild, I may just go back to windows 8.1
But I read that they are changing the way windows 7 and 8 get updates as of October 1, 2016.
...wonderful, so if one of the updates in those "rollups" is flawed or you don't need it, you no longer can refuse it without refusing the entire batch. So it's accept everythign they throw at you (including broken updates that could result in BSODs, crashes, or boot failures), risk being vulnerable to hacking, or cave in and put their "latest yet not so greatest" on your system to let them run the show.
They couldn't get us to take the bait and bite on their "free OS beta test" (even with all the nagware and sneaking the GW10 update on our systems repeatedly), so they had to find a new way to punish us for holding out and messing up their "W10 on 1 Billion machines" dream.
Daz, please, look into compiling your software to work with Linux. Please?
Don't forget the webcam problem. Apparently the latest Win10 update changed the way programs are allowed to access streams, so some types of webcam now don't work. M$ is promising a fix, but isn't promising a delivery date. Next month, maybe? Argleblargle.
Edit: just found the report again (on BBC News website). It's a change in the way Win10 itself handles video so more than one program can use it at once.
I have the EXACT same problem as you do, KevinH! Update and Shut Down won't go away. My machine performance is not really affected, with the exception that ALL my installed brushes disappeared from Photoshop!!!!
I'm working on that one, and the fix for me is not to install every brush I own but work with a smaller set.
I was thinking about contacting Microsoft, but after reading about your travails, I think I will hold off. After all, my applications still run, and everything seems to be in order (for the most part).
Maybe I'll wait for a bug fix announcement, and go by the philosophy, "If it ain't broke too badly, don't try to fix it and make it worse..."
Which is why I refuse to update to Win 10. They don't have all the kinks worked out and can severely mess up your system and files. I don't appreciate them trying to force me to update.
My Win 7 pro system doesn't connect to the internet. My Win 8.1 laptop is not permitted to check for updates. I went for 8 years on my Win XP laptop without installing ANY MS updates and never had an issue - despite using the laptop daily at a wifi hotspot (megabit, now upgraded to google gigabit) for web surfing and Daz downloads. And according to malwarebytes, the worst 'infection' ever detected was 3 problematic cookies.
I use the windows firewall and two ad blockers. I read my email in text mode - and if the subject looks 'strange' I delete it without reading it. (btw - is anyone else getting relentless spam email offers from someone with a .top domain? I'm dumping an average of 8 per day again)
I plan on leaving the Win 7 system as-is until Daz does an upgrade that won't work on Win 7 - and then I'll need to decide if the update for Studio is worth changing the OS.
Updated with the first offer and not one issue since, and I have a mix of old and new software. Oh oh have I jinxed it now?
There a lot of problems with the current updates. The freezing issue is just one in many.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3111928/microsoft-windows/windows-10-cumulative-update-kb-3176934-breaks-powershell.html
I had been using Windows 10 and it was running fine until the Anniversary update, at which point it was affected by bouts of freezing. I later learned that if you have an SSD and put all your programs on another drive, some machines won't even boot (I guess I was one of the "lucky" ones). I reinstalled Windows 8.1. I've had enough of this mess that is Windows 10 ;). I'm not gonna play anymore.
Laurie
...here I thought I had just over three more years with W7, now I have to consider pulling the Net plug after September's Patch Tuesday. What this really could possibly bugger is if I build a new system with a new W7 pro OEM (fortunately that now has SP 1 included but no security updates). Makes me wonder if the old ones will still be individual updates or will they either be rolled into this new "1 update" file format or (worst case) possibly no longer be available?. Wouldn't put it past them after the shenanigans they pulled all last year to try and force people over to W10. This is why Daz and other 3D software developers need to seriously start looking at Linux.
I am far from being a Linux "Fanboy", however, Microsoft's miscues with 8, and now 10 really makes me question the judgement of the developers up there in Redmond. All we need is a simple elegant OS without a tonne of bloat and useless features that those uo us with a degree of know how can configure it the way we want, not the was some engineers at Microsoft think we need.
FWIW, it might be in your best interest to look at each and every update that gets installed to Windows 7 and 8 from here on in. Microshaft plans to put in "functionality" of Windows 10 into those machines that don't upgrade - potentially the inability to turn off updates in those OS as well or telemetry that you may not want (the OS calling home). If you value your privacy you can try Spybot Anti-Beacon and block all that pesky stuff like telemetry. I'm sure it's not fool proof tho, so read the explanation of the updates you're installing. It's a real PITA, but there may be some you might want to skip. Usually MS is nice enough to put them in the recommended rather than important section, but you know MS...they're a sneaky bunch.
If DS had a linux version, I'd drop Windows like a hot brick...every other program I use either already has a Linux version (like 3D Coat and Silo) or runs in WINE.
Laurie
...well the way it sounds from what I read, starting in October all monthly updates will be rolled into one package (bundle) that will be the only thing you install. There will be no rejecting of individual ones that may cause issues, or like you mention, put W10 functionality on W7/8.1 systems. The whole reason many of us stayed with what we had or rolled back is because we did not want that type of (dys)functionality.
To me this seems little more than revenge on MS's part for us not conforming to their wishes. Hence I consider it being just like any other malicious virus, malware, or ransomware attack. With this announcement, they have overstepped the line.
Okay. That's it, I just stopped automated updates. Besides, all office-Programs started to work weird during the last weeks. Like not exporting comments with a rtf, like crashing the moment I try to accept or delete changes in the document. Maybe that's another update (working with Windows7Pro), that messed things inside my PC.
P.S.: I'm voting for LINUX as well!
Yuck.... I finally got my WACOM TABLET DRIVER NOT FOUND issue fixed which happened when I upgraded to Windows 10..... I fixed it with help from power users on the web and youtube. What erks me is that there is little or no help found from either Wacom or Microsoft.... like they don't want to admit problems with Windows 10 or in Wacom's case they want really want you to buy a new tablet. I hope these updates don't introduce some more problems.
I decided to roll back on all my machines the minute I heard that you can't turn off Cortana after the anniversary update. I mean, I'm perfectly capable of doing a registry hack,, but I shouldn't HAVE to. I keep Google Now turned off too, and oddly enough, Google allows me to. I don't like being forced to do ANYTHING. LOL. Besides, Windows 10 is aimed toward the casual computer user, and they won't feel comfortable doing a registry hack or sometimes even knowing how to find a solution in turning it off (if they even know you can't turn it off to begin with). Linux looks more and more attractive every day. I'm not about to continute to use an OS that could potentially hose my system with any forced update. Nope.
Laurie
I don't trust Microsoft's OS upgrades so I got the Anniversary update on ISO, wiped the system, and did a clean install. So far no problems.
You can turn off Cortana and the telemetry in Windows 10 Anniversary. Do you have a link that says otherwise?
This video on how to disable all the Windows 10 privacy invading features is still valid. I know because I applied them. I am running Anniversary and have kept an eye out for huge transfers of outbound traffic and haven't seen any.
He also goes into detail on using Spybot Anti-Beacon, this is the one you want to pay close attention to. This is the software that disables these features at the registry level.
Well, I still have the freezing problem on my laptop, so I won't go back to 10. To my knowledge they haven't fixed that yet (the SSD problem).
Laurie
http://www.howtogeek.com/248177/whats-new-in-windows-10s-anniversary-update/
Down toward the bottom it says "... there’s no easily accessible option for disabling Cortana anymore. You can make Cortana not remember your personal information if you’re concerned about privacy, but you can’t fully disable it without a hidden registry hack or group policy setting." Like I said above, I know I can do a registry hack, but I shouldn't HAVE to. If you can't fully disable Cortana without hacking it, even if you can make it forget your info - it's still LISTENING. We are in the age of NSA snooping. I don't trust anyone.
Laurie
It was the way you worded it. Well, since I have to use Windows because I need the software that runs only on it, I have to find solutions, so Spybot Anti-Beacon does the trick and you don't have to mess with the registry on your own.
It will always be a cat and mouse game, nothing is full proof. Microsoft will circumvent these tools only to find them circumvent them a few days or weeks later.
...I'm pretty much a power user and I don't feel comfortable hacking the registry. One wrong misstep (easy to happen when you are dyslexic) and you can hose your system. Considering I am on a fixed income and cannot afford to build a new system, I tend to err on the cautious side.
(I wish someone would hack this bloody spell checker to make it flag typos in words shorter than four letters).
...makes maintaining Linux sound like a piece of cake in comparison.
Not at all. The program is small, just a quick download, apply and you're back to blocking Microsoft's nonsense. It hasn't been updated because Microsoft really hasn't done anything to circumvent, yet. Spybot Anti-Beacon was last updated in October, 2015, I believe.
...I've had issues with SpyBot's utilities slowing my system. Most likely a conflict with Sophos which I am not about to disable.
So, im pretty much just a mass market, basic user. I turned off updates back when the stupid win10 popup came out. Im still on win7 and 8.1. You mentioned blocking microsoft from the router awhile back and I thought that was an excellent idea. I dont know how though. Could you give me a brief explanation on how to do this if its not a big trouble?
Im also finding Linux more and more attractive everytime this MS nonsense comes up.
For now I have to use Microsoft too, but it doesn't mean I have to like it LOL. I use SpyBot Anti-Beacon as well, until as you said, they circumvent it. At some point in the future I'll have to decide whether to ditch Windows (and therefore 3D - or at least Poser and/or DS) or take my chances with Windows (right now I'm leaning toward the former).
Spybot Anti-Beacon is a manual Microsoft antispy immune tool. It is not an antimalware or antivirus that constantly runs in the background.