OT Windows 10 update

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,160
    edited September 2016

    I've got 2 desktops and 1 laptop upgraded to Win10.  I've gotten used to the culture changes.  It's behaving nicely so far.  However, that being said..., those machines are essentially off-the-shelf, plain-jane, vanilla machines and I don't use those machines a lot.  My primary machine is still Win7pro because I have 6 years of "improvements" in special drivers and software that I just wasn't willing to risk. 

    I've installed Win10 for friends, relatives, and a few customers.  No significant complaints yet.

    Not disappointed with Win10, but still cautious.

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,282
    edited September 2016

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    Taozen said:

     

    I assume that it's the Home version (with Pro you can turn that thing off (why only Pro??)). Will it reboot automatically if there's user activity?

     

    I should have pro, my Win 7 version was pro But I do not have the option to not reboot. :(

    Yep, just checked: Win 10 Pro

    Well with Pro you can set it to notify you about updates only so you can choose when you want to download and install them. I've done that myself and it works fine. You can also disable updates completely, if you want. Instructions here, scroll down to "Use Group Policy to Disable Automatic Updates (Professional Editions Only)":

    http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-to-prevent-windows-10-from-automatically-downloading-updates/

    You can also download some .reg files there that will set the different options automatically. No matter how you do, note this:

    "After changing this option, visit the Windows Update pane in the Settings app and click “Check for updates.” You can then click “Advanced options” and you’ll see your new setting here. (You have to perform a check for updates before Windows Update notices your changed setting.)"

    Whether you can stop or postpone the current pending reboot this way I don't know, maybe disabling automatic updates completely until your render is done might work, who knows.

     

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  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,282
    edited September 2016

    BTW, there is a note on the page:

    "Editor’s Note: This option, while it still exists, seems to no longer work in the Anniversary Update for Windows 10, but we’ve left it here in case anyone wants to try it. Proceed at your own risk."

    I have the Anniversary Edition, and it does work for me (at least option 2. "Notify for download and notify for install"). I've done a fresh install from ISO though instead of upgrading, don't know if that makes any difference.

     

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  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914

    Thank you, I will try these as soon as I get a chance :)

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,008
    Taozen said:

    I just recieved that stupid %$@&^ &*^E# message that windows installed updates and needs to reboot. Either schedule a time (which is only anytime up to tomorrow) or let windows pick a time (3am)

    So either way my machine is going to reboot tomorrow and I'm in the middle of a huge render that definately won't be done for a few days   >:(

    I assume that it's the Home version (with Pro you can turn that thing off (why only Pro??)). Will it reboot automatically if there's user activity?

     

    ...you still cannot "pick and choose" which updates to accept or reject. With the Pro edition. All you can do is defer the update process to another time.  With W10, MS assumes every user is a total moron, even though there are some of us who know what we are doing, so they set security update process to the least common denominator. 

    Personally i find that somewhat insulting.

  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914

    Just a quick update, It looks like it worked :)

    I had sheduled my computer to do it's reboot at the latest time possible allowed by the "schedule a restart" thing which was 11:59 PM tonight.

    I went through the website Taozen linked to and decided to try the gpedit method and changed the group policy to download but notify to install updates. I then went through other Windows Update settings in the group policy and changed a few others such as "no auto restart with logged on users"

    By the time I had gone to bed last night, my computer was still scheduled to restart right before midnight tonight, but when I woke up this morning my computer was searching for new updates. At this time, it's finished searching for new updates

    Choose how to install new updates is set to notify to install and is greyed out

    The whole section on scheduling for a restart is completely gone.

     

    So I am hoping my render is safe from being lost :)

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,673

    I just got the Windows 10 annivesary update. So far I haven't had any problems with the update itself but the download has caused me problems. I was getting close to my "acceptable use" download limit and I was carefully checking the usage monitor on my ISP's website when suddenly my usage shot up by 2 or 3 gigabytes and Windows wanted to restart to install the update. I am now way over the limit and as a punishment my download speed is limited to 128kb/s, a bit more than three times what I used to get on a dial up modem. They only let me have my normal speed after 23:00 until 09:00 the next day and I'm stuck with this until my use over 30 days gets down to what they call acceptable. So thank you very much Microsoft!

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,160
    edited September 2016

    Update today caused problem whereby my Windows Menu stopped working.  Then when I tried to shutdown using other means, the system went into a cycle of starting a browser and aborting.  Then forced a power down and reboot and after a long while of completing updates it finally came up and Windows Menu was working again.  (*sigh*)

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  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914

    I just got the Windows 10 annivesary update. So far I haven't had any problems with the update itself but the download has caused me problems. I was getting close to my "acceptable use" download limit and I was carefully checking the usage monitor on my ISP's website when suddenly my usage shot up by 2 or 3 gigabytes and Windows wanted to restart to install the update. I am now way over the limit and as a punishment my download speed is limited to 128kb/s, a bit more than three times what I used to get on a dial up modem. They only let me have my normal speed after 23:00 until 09:00 the next day and I'm stuck with this until my use over 30 days gets down to what they call acceptable. So thank you very much Microsoft!

    You can set your internet connection type as "metered" in windows 10, that will stop the automatic download of updates but from what I read, it sounded like it also made it unable to download updates until you were on an unmetered connection.

  • I just got the Windows 10 annivesary update. So far I haven't had any problems with the update itself but the download has caused me problems. I was getting close to my "acceptable use" download limit and I was carefully checking the usage monitor on my ISP's website when suddenly my usage shot up by 2 or 3 gigabytes and Windows wanted to restart to install the update. I am now way over the limit and as a punishment my download speed is limited to 128kb/s, a bit more than three times what I used to get on a dial up modem. They only let me have my normal speed after 23:00 until 09:00 the next day and I'm stuck with this until my use over 30 days gets down to what they call acceptable. So thank you very much Microsoft!

    You can set your internet connection type as "metered" in windows 10, that will stop the automatic download of updates but from what I read, it sounded like it also made it unable to download updates until you were on an unmetered connection.

    Unfortunately that, as far as I know, works only for a wireless connection not for a cabled connection to the router.

  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914

    I've not messed with it so you could be correct, but what I read said you could use any connection.

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,673

    I am using a cable connection to the router although I could use wireless, my desktop has got that. I think the metered connection option may have come in with the anniversary update.

    Anyway, I did a bit more research and found that my ISP now has an unlimited download option which is actually cheaper that what I have been paying up to now. So I managed to switch to that and got rid of the limit. This shows the perils of just leaving accounts like this as they are and not keeping up to date on what is available.

    The only other thing I've found so far is that the update has removed the program I used to run my Epson scanner, it's not in the apps list and the desktop icon has gone, The driver is still there though and Paintshop Pro can still use it. There are another two gaps in my desktop icons but I've accumulated so many I can't remember what was there, probably nothing important.

  • KA1KA1 Posts: 1,012

    Well after the update my memory usage sits at a neat 65% pretty much at all times and 3Delight now seems to render slower than iRay. No idea what is going on

     

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,364

    My laptop at work got the notice.  I went ahead and allowed it and well.. now it's slow as pudding.  It's a fairly new laptop with an i7 processor and runs Win 64 bit.  So now I'm getting nervous about the pending pop up from MS telling me my home computer may be up next.  What is up with MS lately?  I've had some pretty bad "fixes" that seem to break things like typing (lots of lagging after boot up) and a host of other things.  From some of the websites I've been reading up on tonight it's really messed allot of folks up out there.  Since I'm already in the loop there is no turning back.  I wish there was a hack to turn this off until we know for sure it's fixed and safe to allow.  Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

     

    angry angry angry

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited September 2016

    I actually paid for a Windows 8 Pro seat for my desktop so I could get rid of 10. It's gone from running slow as molasses to nice and speedy again ;). Was worth the price to me just to get that dog of an OS off of my machine. Now I'm back to Windows 8.1 all around on both my desktop and laptop :).

    Laurie

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,160
    edited September 2016

    I only have trouble on one older desktop (originally a Vista machine).  I reported earlier somewhere that I couldn't get the new Mail app to work.  I finally tried it on one of my other Win10 machines and did get it to work.  It's still a retarded and woefully incomplete app but that machine does send and receive mail.  However, I'm now trying to figure out what's wrong with Mail on the buggered machine.  I finally rolled it back as far as I could thinking that an update didn't go so well sometime in the past.  I'm letting it perform all currently necessary updates again and will test the Mail app when I think it's back up to snuff.

    If rolling back a month doesn't work, then I'll try reinstalling it completely.  (*sigh)  It's a good thing that machine isn't being used for any useful work!

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  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914
    edited September 2016

    If you have access to gpedit (pro and above machines I think) then you can turn back on all the notifications that make the updates work almost as they were before. My windows will now notify me there's updates but will not download or install them until I tell it too :)

    I've not seen anything about hiding updates (other than the new way win10 does it which really doesn't work all that well) but at least I can delay them as long as I want.

     

    *edit*

    oh, and as for my whole reason for wanting to delay the auto restart until I wanted to because I had a render going that had already been running for a week... We had an electrician out to fix an outlet and the power to my pc was cut anyway :(

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  • Kev914Kev914 Posts: 1,129

    I thought you could only delay updates in the pro version for 90 days.

    Aside from the issues I had installing the anniversary update, I have not had any issues since. At least none that I have noticed.

  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914

    That very well could be, I haven't had the settings activated that long yet to know but my sidebar says "You have updates you need to install" and my settings have red text that say "Updates are managed by your organization" and tells me that update 1607 is ready to install (I let them download but I choose when to install) with a button to click to install the updates.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,364
    KevinH said:

    I thought you could only delay updates in the pro version for 90 days.

    Aside from the issues I had installing the anniversary update, I have not had any issues since. At least none that I have noticed.

    Well, that's a hopeful reply! 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,008
    KevinH said:

    I thought you could only delay updates in the pro version for 90 days.

    Aside from the issues I had installing the anniversary update, I have not had any issues since. At least none that I have noticed.

    ...and that's all you can do. You no longer can "cherry pick" which updates to accept or reject like ou could in W7 or 8.1 which is one of my main beefs about W10.

    Sadly starting next month, us W7/8.1 users weil be forced to deal with a similar "all or nothing" update policy like W10 has by bundling all security updates in a single download and install file.  Seems MS is taking a parting shot at us for holding out.  After 00:00 on Friday I will be turning updating completely off after which I will consider moving to Linux and creating a W7 VM to run Daz and my other graphics software on.

  • kyoto kid said:
    KevinH said:

    I thought you could only delay updates in the pro version for 90 days.

    Aside from the issues I had installing the anniversary update, I have not had any issues since. At least none that I have noticed.

    ...and that's all you can do. You no longer can "cherry pick" which updates to accept or reject like ou could in W7 or 8.1 which is one of my main beefs about W10.

    Sadly starting next month, us W7/8.1 users weil be forced to deal with a similar "all or nothing" update policy like W10 has by bundling all security updates in a single download and install file.  Seems MS is taking a parting shot at us for holding out.  After 00:00 on Friday I will be turning updating completely off after which I will consider moving to Linux and creating a W7 VM to run Daz and my other graphics software on.

    DS *DOES NOT* like being run under VM systems.  VirtualBox and DS hate each other, and VMware's openGL is lacking in several areas.  Just a warning before you make a complete jump.

    Kendall

  • kaotkblisskaotkbliss Posts: 2,914

    That definately is something to consider, especially for Iray. VM's don't actualy use your graphics card, they emulate (fake) 3d graphics.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,364

    I just do not understand at this point why DAZ Studio has still not been ported over to Linux/Unix.  I mean MAC is basically Linux with allot of modifications ...

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,008
    edited September 2016
    kyoto kid said:
    KevinH said:

    I thought you could only delay updates in the pro version for 90 days.

    Aside from the issues I had installing the anniversary update, I have not had any issues since. At least none that I have noticed.

    ...and that's all you can do. You no longer can "cherry pick" which updates to accept or reject like ou could in W7 or 8.1 which is one of my main beefs about W10.

    Sadly starting next month, us W7/8.1 users weil be forced to deal with a similar "all or nothing" update policy like W10 has by bundling all security updates in a single download and install file.  Seems MS is taking a parting shot at us for holding out.  After 00:00 on Friday I will be turning updating completely off after which I will consider moving to Linux and creating a W7 VM to run Daz and my other graphics software on.

    DS *DOES NOT* like being run under VM systems.  VirtualBox and DS hate each other, and VMware's openGL is lacking in several areas.  Just a warning before you make a complete jump.

    Kendall

    ...well that (excuse me) bites. No way am I going to give MS full control over my system with their iron fisted update policy and deal with the instabilities it could cause, however also don't care to risk malware/virus infection either.

    Daz really needs to look at compiling their software for Linux, or I am faced with closing up shop.

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  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,321
    kyoto kid said:
    kyoto kid said:
    KevinH said:

    I thought you could only delay updates in the pro version for 90 days.

    Aside from the issues I had installing the anniversary update, I have not had any issues since. At least none that I have noticed.

    ...and that's all you can do. You no longer can "cherry pick" which updates to accept or reject like ou could in W7 or 8.1 which is one of my main beefs about W10.

    Sadly starting next month, us W7/8.1 users weil be forced to deal with a similar "all or nothing" update policy like W10 has by bundling all security updates in a single download and install file.  Seems MS is taking a parting shot at us for holding out.  After 00:00 on Friday I will be turning updating completely off after which I will consider moving to Linux and creating a W7 VM to run Daz and my other graphics software on.

    DS *DOES NOT* like being run under VM systems.  VirtualBox and DS hate each other, and VMware's openGL is lacking in several areas.  Just a warning before you make a complete jump.

    Kendall

    ...well that (excuse me) bites. No way am I going to give MS full control over my system with their iron fisted update policy and deal with the instabilities it could cause, however also don't care to risk malware/virus infection either.

    Daz really needs to look at compiling their software for Linux, or I am faced with closing up shop.

    Is there no way you could find a cheap computer in a pawn shop to install Linux on for the internet and just take your Win7 computer offline for Studio?
    Linux will almost run on a cardboard box with a couple of wires glued to it!

    I built my Win7 box in June, and it hasn't been online since, so Microsquiff's You-Will-Obay update policies don't matter to me, neither does their You-Must-Buy end of life policy.

  • kyoto kid said:
    kyoto kid said:
    KevinH said:

    I thought you could only delay updates in the pro version for 90 days.

    Aside from the issues I had installing the anniversary update, I have not had any issues since. At least none that I have noticed.

    ...and that's all you can do. You no longer can "cherry pick" which updates to accept or reject like ou could in W7 or 8.1 which is one of my main beefs about W10.

    Sadly starting next month, us W7/8.1 users weil be forced to deal with a similar "all or nothing" update policy like W10 has by bundling all security updates in a single download and install file.  Seems MS is taking a parting shot at us for holding out.  After 00:00 on Friday I will be turning updating completely off after which I will consider moving to Linux and creating a W7 VM to run Daz and my other graphics software on.

    DS *DOES NOT* like being run under VM systems.  VirtualBox and DS hate each other, and VMware's openGL is lacking in several areas.  Just a warning before you make a complete jump.

    Kendall

    ...well that (excuse me) bites. No way am I going to give MS full control over my system with their iron fisted update policy and deal with the instabilities it could cause, however also don't care to risk malware/virus infection either.

    Daz really needs to look at compiling their software for Linux, or I am faced with closing up shop.

    Options:

    1) Dual boot:  Boot partitions for Linux and Windows.  Use Linux for most things, boot into Windows only for DS.

    2) Wine w/ 32 bit.  A bit problematic, but 32 bit DS does run under Wine somewhat stably.  64-bit is still hit-and-miss

    3) Raspberry Pi.  $35 will get you a Quad Core machine capable of Internetting and other Linux tasks quite well.

    4) Other options are in development

     

    Kendall

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,673
    RAMWolff said:

    I just do not understand at this point why DAZ Studio has still not been ported over to Linux/Unix.  I mean MAC is basically Linux with allot of modifications ...

    I think the reason is simple. Daz's business model is basically to sell as much content as they can at relatively low prices so they need a large customer base. They probably don't think that the number of extra customers they would get would justify the cost of porting Studio to Linux and supporting it as well.

    Some people have said they they are considering dropping Studio if it doesn't move to Linux but I think they are a small minority. I prefer Linux but I'm not going to stop using Windows and I expect most of Daz's customers have no interest in Linux.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,282
    kyoto kid said:
    KevinH said:

    I thought you could only delay updates in the pro version for 90 days.

    Aside from the issues I had installing the anniversary update, I have not had any issues since. At least none that I have noticed.

    ...and that's all you can do. You no longer can "cherry pick" which updates to accept or reject like ou could in W7 or 8.1 which is one of my main beefs about W10.

    But you can uninstall them if they cause problems (if not all, then a least some).

    MS also uses Win 10 Home users as involuntary beta testers as they get the updates first, Pro users will get them later when the worst bugs have been fixed. Good for Pro users, but a (insert word of choice here) way to treat Home users IMO.  

    kyoto kid said:

    Sadly starting next month, us W7/8.1 users weil be forced to deal with a similar "all or nothing" update policy like W10 has by bundling all security updates in a single download and install file.  Seems MS is taking a parting shot at us for holding out.  After 00:00 on Friday I will be turning updating completely off after which I will consider moving to Linux and creating a W7 VM to run Daz and my other graphics software on.

    That's bad. I've had 3 recent updates that all broke the same app in Win 8 (that app had until then been working for over 10 years without any problems). Took me hours of work to track down each of them and uninstall them. I've now started to install them one by one so it's easier to figure out which ones are causing problems but that will probably be impossible now I guess.

     

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,090
    edited September 2016

    Oy. Ever since last update my _Dropbox_ has been sucking mud and hung syncing and everything. And, of course, that's where I have all my Daz stuff. Plus I'm suddenly getting SMART events from my disk, and experiencing random slowdowns.

    Just flipping great.

    Trying to get Dropbox to sync for the 10th time today.

     

    Pretty much tabling all my Daz work until things stabilize, because I don't want the horror of finding all the stuff I'm working on lost if my disk dies and I have to recover from backups.

     

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