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What is their incentive?
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My guess is that there will still be a lot of moaning each time an encrypted product arrives, at least in the short term. Just the tone of the moans will change, so intead of "I will never buy this" it changes to "I want that, and I don't want to have to wait a year". What some people will find annoying in the upcoming months is having to buy an encrypted DRM product in order to trigger better discounts on older, non-DRM content. Since a lot of DAZ's sales are based round this, buy X for a discount on Y, we will see a lot of these kind of issues in the coming months, I fear.
I must admit the thought did cross my mind - otoh, since the file rearranging thing is still an issue with me, I'll see how things go over the next year, and I'll be out no more than downloading time and storage space for encrypted freebies (and time noting down the release/unencrypt dates for items in my wishlist)
The way 4.9 stores data alone is a serious turn off for me. My content folders is stored on a seperate hard drive and with the exception of the people folder are all custom and orginized for my ease of use and workflow. Everyone wants to keep saying that I won't have an issue but I still hear horror stories and saw that daz has a script for peopel whose content library gets screwed up, which go against what people are saying.
My point exactly, the only thing that has changed is that instead of daz losing money they get to laugh as everyone continues to spend money while they have to wait a year to download the unencrypted files.
The horror stories, and the script to resolve them, are relating to categories (and have been addressed, at least in some scenarios, in the latest beta) not to file organsiation on disc which is not changed for existing content or new content installed via DIM.
The change is that I will "buy" freebies and not complain about their encryption. *grin*
I am not even downloading/installing them because I will not use Connect (even when I will have 4.9 installed).
I have my own smart way to deal with content (a lot of runtimes and Daz content folders, sorted as it makes sense for me and my use of Bryce, Dazstudio, Poser and Vue).
I did install 4.9, and my content is highly customised on an external drive - now I didn't have any issues, but I move files in by hand from the zip, and didn't even set up the login for Connect. So who knows how it would've gone... I'd seen a few horror stories, so I backed up the external drive before installing, and everything did go right, but I can imagine not wanting to take the risk (similarly, I went to Win10 on my ancient laptop as a test, where it works fine, but the experience on my desktop was so horrid that I went back to 7 on that; I've heard good and bad experience from others).
I don't download via DIM straight into studio. I manually load all content into Studio. Since there is on going changes to Studio due to everything going on it makes the current copy of 4.9 a beta as well, so before I do ANY instilation of 4.9 to test what anyone is saying there needs to be a final version of 4.9 out.
That's a pretty big "only" though - it's gone from things bein encrypted unless something happens to trigger the poison pill to things being encrypted for a year. For people who were concerend they might lose access to their content in future,or who didn't want to lose their current file organisation system, or wished to be able to edit files (which seemed to be the big three issues) it's a huge change. And if you don't want to wait don't spend the money until the files are decrypted.
Yes Richard I give you that, but it COMPLETELY avoids the main issue of DRM altogether. This is a distraction to the origional issue DRM, by tossing out this carrot daz can simply continue with its original plans without the huge protest of customers that called them out on this issue. If that is not the case why not simply rename the old thread instead of creating a new one? Smoke and mirrors.
I disagree, judging by the threads the main issues were potential content loss, file organsiation, and editing - all of which are addressed by making the files unencrypted twelve months after release (and in soem cases partially addressed by other measures in the meantime). It may not address your major issue, depnding on what that is, but that isn't the same as "smoke and mirrors" for all users.
I don't think that simply renaming the old thread would have worked - nobody would have read 63 page to get to the really NEW part ...
OK in that case, why not put a link to the closed thread to allow others to see what led up to that point and let them decide if they want to read it or not?
These were all issue along with the fact that DRM doesn't deter piracy and does more to interfere with honest people than the pirates of which you made many comments.
It seems to me that no-one would buy a new product (except freebies) with the intention of not using it for a year, that would be madness as an item is always cheaper at a later point during some sale. Those that decide they do not want to use DAZ connect at all will at best wishlist the item for potential purchase at a much later date, though as someone else pointed out, it is likely they will find a similar non-DRM product in that time, and get this instead (depending on price/quality of course). If that happens, I doubt DAZ would be laughing at all.
I agree. And thank you DAZ (and Will) for this. It was never the encryption itself which bothered me so much as the infrastructure inside Studio to implement it (which makes me an outlier I guess). I honestly can't predict how I'll react to various products in the future but I do know that I'll try to keep my dependence on Smart Content to a minimum. DIM is my friend
. This is only 2016 and I have no idea how long it will take for most if not all of the new stuff to be encrypted.
And I still just want a way to keep manually sorting my files.. even encrypted ones. Us dinosaur 1995-ers still aren`t getting any love :(
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I "bought" the canoe freebie and hopefully I'll remember to look for the unencrypted version in a year. I'm not going to spend any money on encrypted stuff. Maybe when it's unencrypted and hugely discounted a year alater, I might buy it.
+1 million.
Well, there were the djl shortcuts -and Steve's post did say there was some work being done to give a more direct interaction though there were no details yet.
DAZ_Steve said:
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/1015155/#Comment_1015155
I knew about the links but that`s not the same, but I must have missed that part in Steve`s post. Thanks Richard, I`ll go back and re-read it. :)
Thanks Mike! Maybe we are getting some love after all LOL
I support the idea. Congratulations Will on finding the solution for this puzzle. And it's good to know DAZ isn't stubborn for the sake of stubborness and is willing to negotiate. DAZ, thank you.
Amen sister
Another thing about the unlock idea is that it builds in a technology that, presumably, can be dialed as needed.
If Daz decides 9 months, 6 months, 5 days, whatever period is 'good enough' in their estimation, then they can (I would imagine) just set that.
And while many of us still think DRM is a stupid idea, at least now it's mostly Daz's 'cost' to implement, rather than ours. I mean, 'wait a year' is annoying, but the folks losing out most in that is Daz, not us.
I also thought this, I mean there is nothing technically from stopping them changing the period once the relevant work has been done. I guess they don't know the ideal DRM period either, and could change it at a flick of a switch. Naturally they could not lengthen the period, as that would cause an outcry from existing buyers, but shortened the period, maybe as part of a promotion, does give marketing a new arrow in their bow.
The main thing is that even if anyone at DAZ feels that way, they're not going to ever say so on the forums. They've chosen a course, invested time and money in it, unless something catastrophic occurs, they're not just going to stop cold. They've already compromised more than most companies. Ask Amazon when the DRM on their books expires and don't hold your breath waiting for an answer. An expiration date means that a lot of the more negative uses of DRM don't apply. They can't force a walled 'ecosystem' marketplace for example.
For me, it's the infrastructure that has been the most trouble. Connect has some serious need for a more robust set of solutions for users who can't get online regularly or at all, and for dealing with older content. (Seriously DAZ, I'll toss you my resume. As long as I don't have to move to Salt Lake, I could write metadata all day long for these older sets. Given what I'm seeing, I'd guess a fair number just got run through some kind of automatic metadata writing script.) I know that offline solutions are coming, but when I've had to actually ask them to remove part of my library to make the reinstalls go faster, knowing that those items will have to be repurchased if I ever want to use them, I start wishing that more thought had been put into some of this. (I know some thoughts toward offline functionality had to get left out to get the release out, but perhaps the release should have waited till it was more polished.)
@timmins.williams congrats on a great suggestion and enjoy your daz shopping spree, hope to see some great renders of all your new goodies :)