DAZ Connect news - Encrypted files will be unlocked after 12 months

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  • This is a great development, which I feared would not happen, so thank you Daz. I can keep my eyes open for your content again.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    DAZ_Steve said:
    Ivy said:

    Daz I am proud of you. This is a very satisfying  compromise. though i will not be purchasing encrypted content at least i know if I live long enough that it will be  available sometime in the future as a Zip or dim file and it will be in my wishlist until then... 

    I am truly looking forward to you implementing the option to, op out of using the daz connect file systems. when that happens then I will be happy to upgrade my studio software. other wise  thank you for listening to our suggestions  this goes a long way in restoring faith.   

    Back to fun and games

    You can just use DIM with 4.9.  It works fine. (other than for encrypted files)

     

       Steve

    Thanks for the suggestion Steve , But.when I loaded 4.9  into my lap top as away to test it  this weekend, to see how it installed the content folders that I heard everyone complaining about. I seen it was creating  a new file systems for daz connect and making duplicate files of everything I had organized  by groups, model types.etc . I don't use daz connect so please give us a option to op out of using it.   I have my files system set up to support  many types of 3d software in 4 different external drives. 2 drives I use for share content for daz studio and poser. and poser does not use daz connect.

    I also could not get daz4.9 to recognize my G) and F) external content drives because for some reason studio kept saying it need to create a file system in those drives which I wasn't going to let happen because of my manually manage  content.  But 4.9 did not ask to create a directory in my Maya & 3ds content e) drive as it did for my poser/daz content g) & f) drives..

    So for now I'll wait until there is some kind of op out option during the installation of the studio software, So I can op out of the  daz connect file management.  which I would so greatly appreciate. its taken me years to get my drives and content folders organized and know where i can find things in a snap using my own content search systems.  I know you guys were trying to make things easier for new customers.  But sometimes you guys forget about us old folks that have been doing this a long time and have certain ways fo doing things. like I said its taken me years to get my content folders to works for all my 3d software not just daz studio.  Sooo please give us a op out option for installing the daz connect file system. if I'm not using Daz connect why do I need to install the suporting file sytem.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,084

    Well, frankly, I've bought LOADS of content that's 5+ years old, so... it stinks if you have JUST THE PERFECT item coming out on big sale that you want, but hey.

     

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,573
    TheKD said:

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    Havos said:
    TheKD said:

    So I will have to wait 12 months to buy anything you decide to encrypt, which would put it a year behind with that tech. Why would I buy year old stuff, unless it was sold for like a dollar? That still loses you plenty of our money. Stuff we might have bought new, could be passed on altogether unless it was something specific needed a year later, or super cheap. 

    In my experience 3D content ages pretty well. Even clothing for figures that are no longer the latest can be fit to the lastest and greatest ones. Yes, there are some products that look dated, but a number of those were often poorly modeled in the first place. I have seen a lot of really old stuff refreshed with some iRay shaders, and a few new textures here and there.

    True, but what are the odds I don't find something similar enough at one of the other stores before the 12 months are up? It would have to be super special, or practically free, so still a lot of potential sales gone. I am seeing a lot of good G3F stuff elsewhere lately, and am hoping that G3M stuff also starts popping up more often as well. Long live competitive markets.

    I agree that is a potential risk DAZ has to make, I assume it feels it will gain more sales from ex-pirates than it will lose during the first year, but time will tell on that one.

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479

    As I said in the other threads, this is a great way to solve a whole bunch of problems. At WORST, people delay their purchases and might miss out on sales.

    I feel much better, and am very gratified that Daz is willing to embrace compromise.

    +1

    I'm not a fan of encryption/DRM, but I feel confident, going forward, any content I buy that has encryption will still be available to me for as long as I need it. It will be some time, however, before I start buying new releases if they are encrypted, because I can't use them. And I'm not alone.

    I'm still using 4.8 and will continue to use 4.8 until I purchase a more robust computer. There are many, many others who are using 4.8, or older versions, for various reasons; that includes using old hardware without the means to replace it. For many, upgrading to 4.9 isn't possible. So twelve months to wait kind of sucks for us. I don't see any of us purchasing encrypted content if we can't use it, regardless of how great the price is, short of free.

    I'm still hopeful that DAZ will determine a shorter period is optimal for customers, PAs and DAZ.

    Congratulations, Will, on the store credit... and just in time for March Madness!

  • DAZ_Steve said:
    Ivy said:

    Daz I am proud of you. This is a very satisfying  compromise. though i will not be purchasing encrypted content at least i know if I live long enough that it will be  available sometime in the future as a Zip or dim file and it will be in my wishlist until then... 

    I am truly looking forward to you implementing the option to, op out of using the daz connect file systems. when that happens then I will be happy to upgrade my studio software. other wise  thank you for listening to our suggestions  this goes a long way in restoring faith.   

    Back to fun and games

    You can just use DIM with 4.9.  It works fine. (other than for encrypted files)

     

       Steve

    I take this to mean that once an encrypted file is unencrypted (after 12 months) that it will be able to be downloaded with DIM and/or manually. Correct?

  • andya_b341b7c5f5andya_b341b7c5f5 Posts: 694
    edited February 2016

    While remaining opposed to 'encryption as DRM' in principle, I will give due credit to Daz for this move, but personally I am left not buying anything encrypted until it is 12 months old. This is because I won't use Connect - it doesn't give me any functionality I want or need, and doesn't solve any problems I have.  Simultaneously it bloats Studio with an additional component that has networking capabilities, and thus presents a potential attack vector.  One networked component (DIM) is plenty.  The ability to use encrypted content for the first 12 months isn't worth enough to me to accept Connect.  Now if only DIM could download, decrypt and install the encrypted content ... well, we wouldn't need Connect and everything in the garden would be rosy.

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  • StezzaStezza Posts: 8,734

    Every forum needs a Big Willy yes

     

    and who knows.. maybe in 12 months time from each release of a new product Carrara may be updated [cough cough]

  • IppotamusIppotamus Posts: 1,580

    While a lot of damage has been done, I am definitely happy with this compromise.

    Plus think of all the money saved on impulse buys!

    One year is a long cooling off period, that is for sure.

  • father1776father1776 Posts: 982
    edited February 2016

    I need a high tech robotic tiger...will purchase

    make it so number one.

     

    Disclaimer: assuming you make one to sell to the folks here

    and it is a reasonable price...not looking for a private custom job.

     

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  • Stezza said:

    and who knows.. maybe in 12 months time from each release of a new product Carrara may be updated [cough cough]

    Bryce is first in the line, I hear*.

     

    * In dreams

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 26,157

    DAZ_Steve, does timmins.william get a nice store creditr reward for his suggestion, like the winners in the cold winter contest?

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,682
    barbult said:

    DAZ_Steve, does timmins.william get a nice store creditr reward for his suggestion, like the winners in the cold winter contest?

    He did.

  • DkgooseDkgoose Posts: 1,451

    So once they are unencrypted does this mean either will move to the corresponding folder and not in the products folder where you need to use smart content to find it ?

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,682
    dkgoose said:

    So once they are unencrypted does this mean either will move to the corresponding folder and not in the products folder where you need to use smart content to find it ?

    Not automatically, but they'll be installable using DIM or manually.

  • dkgoose said:

    So once they are unencrypted does this mean either will move to the corresponding folder and not in the products folder where you need to use smart content to find it ?

    Not on it's own, but I'm guessing it'd be as movable as any other content. May just want to uninstall through Connect and reinstall through DIM or download the .zip as you would other stuff

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    L'Adair said:

     It will be some time, however, before I start buying new releases if they are encrypted, because I can't use them. And I'm not alone.

    Indeed. While this compromise reassures many of the "vocal few", maybe to the extent that they fall largely silent, it might still be the case that the wider customer base simply declines to buy encrypted content anyway. DAZ isn't going to find that out until they risk putting guaranteed high sales items up encrypted only. One thing they should know fairly well already is what proportion of buying customers is using DS 4.9 with validated accounts. Once that proportion is high enough they can take the plunge.

  • dkgoose said:

    So once they are unencrypted does this mean either will move to the corresponding folder and not in the products folder where you need to use smart content to find it ?

    Encrypted products are Connect only and I cannot see that changing. In my estimation, the only way that this proposal can work is where the product will not be moved; it will simply be that the .duf.enc file will be updated to a simple unencrypted .duf. It will remain in the "My Connect Library". I doubt very much that a product will be made available in DIM or manual download after it reaches the end of its encrypted life. This change of policy is regarding encryption but not Connect.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 26,157
    barbult said:

    DAZ_Steve, does timmins.william get a nice store creditr reward for his suggestion, like the winners in the cold winter contest?

    He did.

    Oh, good! I didn't see a message from Daz about it. Maybe it was in a different thread?

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,084

    It was in the previous thread. And yes, I can confirm I got what they said.

    wow.

     

    Peter: Yeah... some of us might be silent, but it doesn't mean we think DRM is a good idea. I suspect Daz will lose money from people who won't/can't take advantage of release sales. But at least the onus is more on Daz, now, and that's a lot more fair.

     

     

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    barbult said:
    barbult said:

    DAZ_Steve, does timmins.william get a nice store creditr reward for his suggestion, like the winners in the cold winter contest?

    He did.

    Oh, good! I didn't see a message from Daz about it. Maybe it was in a different thread?

    Yes was in the old "You have been heard" thread, which was locked in favour of this new thread

     

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,682
    dkgoose said:

    So once they are unencrypted does this mean either will move to the corresponding folder and not in the products folder where you need to use smart content to find it ?

    Encrypted products are Connect only and I cannot see that changing. In my estimation, the only way that this proposal can work is where the product will not be moved; it will simply be that the .duf.enc file will be updated to a simple unencrypted .duf. It will remain in the "My Connect Library". I doubt very much that a product will be made available in DIM or manual download after it reaches the end of its encrypted life. This change of policy is regarding encryption but not Connect.

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/1015155/#Comment_1015155

    Once it's de-crypted you should be able to pull them down through DIM if you would like.

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,727

    I am impressed that Daz was willing to listen to the concerns that customers have and make some changes.  I understand that its not the perfect solution for everyone but it was really nice to see this happen.  This was my biggest objection to encrypted content and I can live with this.  I do hope that going forward there will also be more support for other platforms like Poser Carrara and Bryce and that there is some way to make it possible for users who are unable to load 4.9 due to other issues  to be able to access this.  Thank you for listening! Although my wallet hates you.

  • http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/1015155/#Comment_1015155

    Once it's de-crypted you should be able to pull them down through DIM if you would like.

    Oh, thanks. I stand corrected—and surprised!

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 26,157

    It was in the previous thread. And yes, I can confirm I got what they said.

    wow.

     

    Peter: Yeah... some of us might be silent, but it doesn't mean we think DRM is a good idea. I suspect Daz will lose money from people who won't/can't take advantage of release sales. But at least the onus is more on Daz, now, and that's a lot more fair.

     

     

    I went and looked at that thread. Wow! Congratulations. Isn't it wonderful to see Daz so responsive and generous, too. Have fun in the store.

  • Chohole said:

    Not to forget the Brycers.

    Was just looking through the 4.9 FAQ for another purpose and noticed this:

    "Products updated to Daz Connect will not function with Carrara or the DSON Importer for Poser due to an inability to interface with Daz Connect web services, but all bridges (e.g. ZBrush, Bryce, Hexagon) and exporters continue to function as they have."

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/941102/#Comment_941102

     and

    "Bryce maintains the ability to use Daz Studio content through the Bryce bridge."

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/941612/#Comment_941612

    Looks like Brycers have always been in the same position with 4.9 as they were with 4.8. That's never been an issue for me since I'm not a user of the bridge (or very CGI active at all at the moment), but some folks have been talking as if Connect wrecked the DAZ-Bryce link.

     

     

  • Gratz Timmins, it truly is a good idea.

    As soon as I seen I thought it had a nice ring to it.

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,735
    edited February 2016
    TheKD said:

    Why would I buy year old stuff

    Because it still works great and looks awesome? Content doesn't have to be brand new to be useful... I still use products I bought in 2004 pretty regularly.

    Edit: don't get me wrong, I still don't like the idea of encrypted content, and find the 12 months period chosen quite long. But at least "content gets unencrypted after 12 months" is better than "content will be encrypted forever"...

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  • DkgooseDkgoose Posts: 1,451

    Thanks guys, granted I remember I'll uninstall and reinstall with dim, I just don't hardy use smart content so most of the things I get will probably be slightly forgotten about 

  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    edited February 2016

     

    Leana said:
    TheKD said:

    Why would I buy year old stuff

    Because it still works great and looks awesome? Content doesn't have to be new to be useful... I still use products I bought in 2004 pretty regularly.

    Ask any PA that has a decent sized back catalog how many sales they still have of older items...I'm willing to bet that most of them will say they do get a fair number of sales of older items...or look at the number of complaint threads about things that have been 'retired' (for some it's when those sales do drop to next to nothing that they think about retiring certain products).

    Post edited by mjc1016 on
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