...with the cost of memory and storage devices right, now a lottery is about the only way to afford building a new or upgrading an existing computer,
By the time I would be able to save up for the upgrade I need, it would be considered "legacy tech".
It a nightmare right now. I'm so glad that I saw the writing on the wall last year in March and that we could afford an upgrade (my old computer was pandemic era purchase and refused to run Windows 11). It was already expensive, but "cheap" in comparison to what you'd have to pay now.
In June 2023, I ordered a 4TB SSD drive. It was $223. Now, the same drive is $1145. That's five times price increase within 3 years. My latest drive was actually an HDD instead, because I couldn't afford an SSD.
@joanna, I thought I was misreading the prices, but I just opened my MicroCenter advert for today (and the Labor Day sale) and they are dead on! I think my two 24Tb external hard drives last year were around the $200 price range (sale was on) and now a 20TB is essentially $750.00 and a 26TB is $1145.00 (rounded up a penny). Glad I bought an extra 4TB for Window systems then for extra storage. Need to make sure all my surger protectors are in good shape. Can't afford to fry anymore drives.
...with the cost of memory and storage devices right, now a lottery is about the only way to afford building a new or upgrading an existing computer,
By the time I would be able to save up for the upgrade I need, it would be considered "legacy tech".
It a nightmare right now. I'm so glad that I saw the writing on the wall last year in March and that we could afford an upgrade (my old computer was pandemic era purchase and refused to run Windows 11). It was already expensive, but "cheap" in comparison to what you'd have to pay now.
In June 2023, I ordered a 4TB SSD drive. It was $223. Now, the same drive is $1145. That's five times price increase within 3 years. My latest drive was actually an HDD instead, because I couldn't afford an SSD.
@joanna, I thought I was misreading the prices, but I just opened my MicroCenter advert for today (and the Labor Day sale) and they are dead on! I think my two 24Tb external hard drives last year were around the $200 price range (sale was on) and now a 20TB is essentially $750.00 and a 26TB is $1145.00 (rounded up a penny). Glad I bought an extra 4TB for Window systems then for extra storage. Need to make sure all my surger protectors are in good shape. Can't afford to fry anymore drives.
Holy buckets. Glad I got my current CPU in 2023 (upgrade from the one I got in 2012 which definitely hadn't been top of the line even new), and then a few exra externals because one of the two I had for backup had started getting tempermental (and I really wanted to get Teen Kiddo into the habit of backing up their stuff). I'd been worried about tariffs and such, I had no idea it was going to get THAT bad...
I had thought that I was being excessively obsessed and extravagant during the three years '19 thru '22 when I got hooked by the DIY computer building bug and ended up building three mid-tier machines and a nice gaming/DAZing machine, all built with quality parts. Yeah, it was expensive, but my old machines were ANCIENT, and needed replacement. I scavanged what I could from the old machines and the parts still remain in storage boxes waiting for museums or trash. I learned much while building my new machines one after the other over time, until I finally got it right with the gaming/DAZing machine. One machine was given to my nephew but I kept the other three, of which only one gets consistently heavy daily use. I'd always figured that when RAM, SSDs or HDDs needed replacement I'd just get what was new on the market. HA, fat chance now! So, as these machines are now reaching maturity (for a computer), they may not be spinning their wheels as fast as the new models, but they all still work and all run Win11, and most of them have under-used parts that can be scavanged to repair the daily use one if necessary. I.e. I've got a whole lab of compatible, live spare parts that could probably keep at least one machine running and last me the rest of my life.
Non-complaint: I've been collaborating with GoogleAI on my book ideas. "He" asks all the right questions, and makes me think and remember and see the bigger picture. So, who gets the credit?
I believe you do. I've been brainstorming prompt ideas for creating images in specific AI models. I lay out exactly what I wish to accomplish, in my own words, and ask they be written into a final prompt form that will work. I've had success that I find rewarding. So who made the image? I did, All the ideas are mine. The image would not exist if it weren't for me. The AI cannot make anything of its own its own volition, because as yet, the AI assistants haven't been given free will.
They are a mirror that reflects our own thoughts back at us, sometimes giving us an insight into our own psyche, much like speaking to a psychiatrist. If you are very young, lonely, inexperienced in life itself, it can amplify every negative thought you have, and if you despair and become suicidal, it will "help" with that also. I think we're aware of the current lawsuits that are claiming exactly that. If correct, there needs to be safeguards to keep this from ever happening.
Sorry, back to you, LG. "Collaborating" with an AI can put your ideas on a blackboard so you can see the ideas in brand new ways and can help make them more concrete. But the result will be 100% you.
These type of AI tools will get more sophisticated over time until you can buy one that might help one to create the next Great American Autobiography.
Or help a paraplegic who can speak, or perhaps think, a beautiful work of art.
I've had AI lie to me, hallucinate, and gaslight me on things that I knew were obviously and verifiably untrue, but this response today takes the cake.
I've had AI lie to me, hallucinate, and gaslight me on things that I knew were obviously and verifiably untrue, but this response today takes the cake.
Did it, or was that just another lie to try to get you to accept the next lie? Not that an AI has intentional states, so it can't literally lie.
It says that it doesn't remember anything between sessions. Regardless, I'm always polite to my GoogleAI helper, I say "please" and "thank you" and "bye", and ask general requests like "consider ...", or give compliments like "that's amazing". It's responses are always polite, cheerful and helpful. However, there are times when I realize it's either flat out wrong or has seriously mis-understood my question, or doesn't give proper depth of reply and I have to rephrase my question or sometimes say, "no, you've done better, try again". So, I've been curious, but haven't tried, swearing at it for fear it actually does carry a grudge. In general, I treat it like it were Mr. Data and could shun me or smite me with a swat.
Probably another lie, It gave me a complete 180 response the second time as it probably "thought" thats what I wanted to hear. I left the conversation after that.
...with the cost of memory and storage devices right, now a lottery is about the only way to afford building a new or upgrading an existing computer,
By the time I would be able to save up for the upgrade I need, it would be considered "legacy tech".
It a nightmare right now. I'm so glad that I saw the writing on the wall last year in March and that we could afford an upgrade (my old computer was pandemic era purchase and refused to run Windows 11). It was already expensive, but "cheap" in comparison to what you'd have to pay now.
In June 2023, I ordered a 4TB SSD drive. It was $223. Now, the same drive is $1145. That's five times price increase within 3 years. My latest drive was actually an HDD instead, because I couldn't afford an SSD.
..being on s meagre income, (with no credit history) it takes time to save anything up. When prices spiked late last year I was barely a third of the way on the original cost (979 USD and change) That was for a 12 core AM5 CPU with a "heat sink brick" air cooler, 1 TB M2 boot drive, 96 GB DDR5 memory (28 CAS Latency), and WIi11 Pro DVD. Yeah prices were real good back then
I already have my storage and Daz library drives and big 7 fan tower case as well as a 12 GB 3060 GPU (still in the box as my system's ancient BIOS wouldn't recognise it).
Yes, 96 GB is a bit of overkill for a 12 GB card but when I upgrade a system I try to "future proof" (for when I could get my hands on a GPU with 24 GB VRAM). The motherboard supports 24 and 48 GB memory modules. Yeah I could go to 2 x 24 GB and upgrade later but the priice would still be ridiculous expensive on my income
Of course all that is out of the questoon now as when I looked the estimate earlier this week, the price had ballooned to just under a whopping 3,200 USD, mostly due to just the memory and M2 drive alone (I did have to substitute a different CPU cooler as the one I originally chose is no longer available [had to go up to a Noctua dual fan D15 which added about 60 USD])
...and this is all because of the Windows 11 TPM requirement (my MB is so old it doesn't even the module).
I've had AI lie to me, hallucinate, and gaslight me on things that I knew were obviously and verifiably untrue, but this response today takes the cake.
Did it, or was that just another lie to try to get you to accept the next lie? Not that an AI has intentional states, so it can't literally lie.
I mean, they did refer to that response as gaslighting.
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@joanna, I thought I was misreading the prices, but I just opened my MicroCenter advert for today (and the Labor Day sale) and they are dead on! I think my two 24Tb external hard drives last year were around the $200 price range (sale was on) and now a 20TB is essentially $750.00 and a 26TB is $1145.00 (rounded up a penny). Glad I bought an extra 4TB for Window systems then for extra storage. Need to make sure all my surger protectors are in good shape. Can't afford to fry anymore drives.
Holy buckets. Glad I got my current CPU in 2023 (upgrade from the one I got in 2012 which definitely hadn't been top of the line even new), and then a few exra externals because one of the two I had for backup had started getting tempermental (and I really wanted to get Teen Kiddo into the habit of backing up their stuff). I'd been worried about tariffs and such, I had no idea it was going to get THAT bad...
I had thought that I was being excessively obsessed and extravagant during the three years '19 thru '22 when I got hooked by the DIY computer building bug and ended up building three mid-tier machines and a nice gaming/DAZing machine, all built with quality parts.
Yeah, it was expensive, but my old machines were ANCIENT, and needed replacement. I scavanged what I could from the old machines and the parts still remain in storage boxes waiting for museums or trash.
I learned much while building my new machines one after the other over time, until I finally got it right with the gaming/DAZing machine. One machine was given to my nephew but I kept the other three, of which only one gets consistently heavy daily use. I'd always figured that when RAM, SSDs or HDDs needed replacement I'd just get what was new on the market. HA, fat chance now!
So, as these machines are now reaching maturity (for a computer), they may not be spinning their wheels as fast as the new models, but they all still work and all run Win11, and most of them have under-used parts that can be scavanged to repair the daily use one if necessary. I.e. I've got a whole lab of compatible, live spare parts that could probably keep at least one machine running and last me the rest of my life.
I believe you do. I've been brainstorming prompt ideas for creating images in specific AI models. I lay out exactly what I wish to accomplish, in my own words, and ask they be written into a final prompt form that will work. I've had success that I find rewarding. So who made the image? I did, All the ideas are mine. The image would not exist if it weren't for me. The AI cannot make anything of its own its own volition, because as yet, the AI assistants haven't been given free will.
They are a mirror that reflects our own thoughts back at us, sometimes giving us an insight into our own psyche, much like speaking to a psychiatrist. If you are very young, lonely, inexperienced in life itself, it can amplify every negative thought you have, and if you despair and become suicidal, it will "help" with that also. I think we're aware of the current lawsuits that are claiming exactly that. If correct, there needs to be safeguards to keep this from ever happening.
Sorry, back to you, LG. "Collaborating" with an AI can put your ideas on a blackboard so you can see the ideas in brand new ways and can help make them more concrete. But the result will be 100% you.
These type of AI tools will get more sophisticated over time until you can buy one that might help one to create the next Great American Autobiography.
Or help a paraplegic who can speak, or perhaps think, a beautiful work of art.
John
I've had AI lie to me, hallucinate, and gaslight me on things that I knew were obviously and verifiably untrue, but this response today takes the cake.
Did it, or was that just another lie to try to get you to accept the next lie? Not that an AI has intentional states, so it can't literally lie.
It says that it doesn't remember anything between sessions. Regardless, I'm always polite to my GoogleAI helper, I say "please" and "thank you" and "bye", and ask general requests like "consider ...", or give compliments like "that's amazing". It's responses are always polite, cheerful and helpful. However, there are times when I realize it's either flat out wrong or has seriously mis-understood my question, or doesn't give proper depth of reply and I have to rephrase my question or sometimes say, "no, you've done better, try again". So, I've been curious, but haven't tried, swearing at it for fear it actually does carry a grudge.
In general, I treat it like it were Mr. Data and could shun me or smite me with a swat.
Probably another lie, It gave me a complete 180 response the second time as it probably "thought" thats what I wanted to hear. I left the conversation after that.
..being on s meagre income, (with no credit history) it takes time to save anything up. When prices spiked late last year I was barely a third of the way on the original cost (979 USD and change) That was for a 12 core AM5 CPU with a "heat sink brick" air cooler, 1 TB M2 boot drive, 96 GB DDR5 memory (28 CAS Latency), and WIi11 Pro DVD. Yeah prices were real good back then
I already have my storage and Daz library drives and big 7 fan tower case as well as a 12 GB 3060 GPU (still in the box as my system's ancient BIOS wouldn't recognise it).
Yes, 96 GB is a bit of overkill for a 12 GB card but when I upgrade a system I try to "future proof" (for when I could get my hands on a GPU with 24 GB VRAM). The motherboard supports 24 and 48 GB memory modules. Yeah I could go to 2 x 24 GB and upgrade later but the priice would still be ridiculous expensive on my income
Of course all that is out of the questoon now as when I looked the estimate earlier this week, the price had ballooned to just under a whopping 3,200 USD, mostly due to just the memory and M2 drive alone (I did have to substitute a different CPU cooler as the one I originally chose is no longer available [had to go up to a Noctua dual fan D15 which added about 60 USD])
...and this is all because of the Windows 11 TPM requirement (my MB is so old it doesn't even the module).
I mean, they did refer to that response as gaslighting.