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LOL! Wow, that really illustrates the point :-) Thank you for pointing this out, I'll have to do some digging and see if there's a way to be more clear about when/where limits come into play. What I meant by "calls up Daz's built in" shape saver is that I didn't try to reinvent that particular wheel. You can invoke Studio's asset manager to save files, rather than having to write out the entire DUF inside the script. This seems to work well in most circumstances, but as demonstrated by your lovely lady above, there may be a better solution I'm not seeing just yet. I will keep it on my "big list o' things to tinker with."
Thanks all for the new renders!!! Artini, showing off the results with different materials really makes the differences pop! And Ice Dragon Art, beatiful render! I like the embossed look on her top.
I've been using this a lot with G3F and G3M. Zev0's Shape Shift morphs work really well with both and for G3F I've had lots of great results with Dogz' "200 Plus" morphs. I've also got a giant batch of my own custom sculpts that work well (and I may get around to packaging them up for release one of these days :-P ).
Here is another - Gen 2. This is one of my top faves so far.
My observation is that the randomizer assigns morph values without checking the individual limits of each morph. For example, if a morph has limits of 0 to 1, the randomizer may set a value of -.5 anyway. At the time the randomizer is run, Daz Studio respects the limits and ignores any morph that the randomizer attempted to set outside the limits. That morph does not show up in the Currently Used list and does not affect the shape of the character. When the Export button saves the random values, it again does not check the individual morph limits and saves all the out-of-limits values, even though they were not used to create the shape displayed in the viewport. Then when a user reapplies the exported shape with limits off, those saved out-of-limits values are applied. The resulting shape does not match the original.
I think there is a simple, logical solution, but I don't know the complexity of implementation. I believe the randomizer should abide by the same constraints placed upon a user dialing the morph manually. If a morph has limits, the randomizer should use the limits of the morph as lower and upper bounds for the randomized value. As long as the randomizer respects limits in the values it assigns, export should have only valid in-limits values to export. Then Export would truly respect limits.
Thank you for the feedback! The detail you've provided from your testing is awesome.
Hello All,
I've recieved the notification that the scipt update is through testing and should be live now! I've also included a PDF user guide this time around. Just a reminder, this update includes a fix for the Randomize behavior when the "Zero Before Randomizing" box is unchecked (results should be cumulitive when its unchecked now). It also includes the Undo button. The new button will only show when its available, so if you don't see it when you first load the script, no worries, it'll pop up the first timme you hit randomize! (again, that's iin the current version, if you aren't seeing it, check Install Manager to see if you've got the latest version). It's only a single level of undo (can go back one result), but I hope you find it a useful addition to your workflow.
Thank you so much for all the great feedback!
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I got the update today, thank you! The bug fix and the added undo feature seem to be working well. I made this guy, starting with Genesis 3 Male and randomizing head and body morphs. I even randomized the hair styling morphs.
Well, rats! I ran into a problem with the new Undo. When I reopened a scene file that I had used the randomizer on, and then ran the randomizer again, the undo did not undo one level; it made a mess of my character. This is what I did:
Another Undo problem. Every time I apply a random morph to Michael 7 and then Undo it, Michael 7 gets taller. This is very simple to reproduce:
I'm prety sure, barbult, never does rendering, but just pretends
... His(her?) mission is to find bugs /nod
I can understand barbult's tinkering. I'm the least analytical person I know and, yet, I still love to tinker with products. Besides, I've seen a few of barbult's renders and all of her tinkring does pay off into some very nice renders.
Thank you for the feedback! I'll definitely look into it (beautiful render, by the way!).
Thanks. I hope you can find out what is wrong with the Undo.
I actually found a bug, or think I did; I'm trying to repeat it again after last night when I was tired.
I used it to change the face when I'd used the youth morph; I clicked the undo, and and the character shrunk - looked like a fairy in size (so shrunk to about 20% of size). Anyway I'll check it out tomorrow.
Thanks. I hope you can find out what is wrong with the Undo.
That sounds like the same bug that I described above with Michael 7 getting larger when I Undo.I wonder if the undo button is still trying to randomize when it goes backwards. I haven't noticed any issues but I haven't hit the undo button much.. I don't have michael 7 so I can't try and duplicate.Or if its relative to only a previously saved file? I hadn't noticed anything unusual the few times I did undo. Will pay closer attention next time I get a chance to play.
I noticed same behavior with Daz Dragon 3. Loads at 275%. First undo bumps it to 452%, second to 625%, 3rd to 800%, etc.
Okay I did three or four random characters. Saved as a character preset. also saved as a scene subset. closed out the randomizer, closed out the character or subset. Reloaded said characters and scene subsets (one a time not all at once). I have a ton of morphs selected and i have checked all three boxed ignore left and right, zero between and randomize selections. randomize once, undo. All four times my character looked exactly the same. I wonder if it has to do with a certain morph then that maybe I don't have? I did all gen2females because that's what i have the most morphs for. I did not however check the height although all four seemed to be the same general size. If they shrank or got bigger it was not noticeable to the naked eye (I did not have the height map loaded. Don't know if that helps at all or not.
Thank you all so much for testing! I need to do some testing myself, but I've got a hunch. Some morphs also apply scale modifiers. Let's use Genesis as an example. The youth morph sets the figure's scale to 54%. The undo function makes a note of all of a figures current settings; Scale = 54%, Youth Morph = 100%. When you click undo, it sets the scale back to 54%, then sets the youth morph morph to 100% which, in turn, adjusts the scale again (in that example, the scale ends up at 8%!).
Again, that's just my best guess right now, but I'll try to confirm. The real challenge is that any morph could conceivably alter any other parameter when it's applied. Honestly, I can't say for certain right now that I'm going to be able to compensate for that, but I will definitely experiment and see if I can!
If scale is not a "morph" that the randomizer changes directly, why do you have the Undo change the scale value? The Undo should not change any setting that the randomizer does not directly affect. If Undo left the scale alone, restoring the Youth morph would restore the scale correctly, wouldn't it?
As far as Undo messing up my character on a reloaded scene, I suspect it goes back to the issue of the randomizer not respecting limits when setting the random values in the first place, but I have no test evidence to prove that hunch. It is just a guess and something you could investigate. I hope a solution is found. Thanks for sticking with this to try to get things working as you intended.
I'm very pleased with where this product has taken my workflow. I find that with this utility I've lost any interest in buying new characters.
It would be great if there were a way to save the random seed along with the morph list settings. You could also use the random seed to increase the levels of undo. Being able to change from a uniform to normal distribution of random numbers might help smooth out some of the differences and allow one to create "related" morphs (i.e. morphs that look similar but with variations).
Edit: My mistake DAZScript doesn't have access to the random seed.
Exactly. Add the skin builder for Gen 2 and you can pretty much do anything with a character.
Wanted to add that it doesn't mean I WONT buy any new characters but it does take the pressure off lol.
This is the randomizer with the skin builder gen2f. The blood is photo shop lol.
I've started converting some of the really nice V4 skins you can find to G3F. There was a V4 sale, a while back, where all the V4 Elite textures were really cheap. I bought a bunch and have started converting them using Texture Transformer.
I've started looking at new characters as to whether they will make a good "base," or if the textures seem particularly high quality.
Random character I created the other day.
Here's one I created a few days ago. I dialed the weight in manually after the randomizer finished. The list of products used is in my gallery here.
I really like what you did! Looks really good
Thanks, RGcincy. His title in my gallery is "We're not all skinny male models".
I need to do more heavy and old guy nudes.