Why I won't be buying anything else for G3F

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  • almahiedraalmahiedra Posts: 1,365
    kyoto kid said:
     

    So which utilities are for fixing skirts.  Looked throuygh the entire G3F catalogue & coldn't find them.

    http://www.daz3d.com/sy-ultra-templates-for-genesis-3-female-s

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847
    edited September 2015

    ...ach, the name threw me. Expectted to find it called something like "G3F Skirt  Fit" or "G3F Skirt Smoothers"  When I see the word "template" to me it means a utility for creating textures.

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  • It's not even a utility. It's an addon for Autofit that modifies the lower box rather than "Wear them all" modifies the upper one.

  • I have to say that after my initial apprehension about G3F I'm starting to come around to it a bit... I've been testing it a lot against G2F recently and it seems to address most of the irritating bend/pose issues that I was finding with G2F, such as the terrible thumb, the bad glutes at the upper limits of the thigh bends, poor forearm shape when twisted, bad neck shape at extreme bends, poor shoulders when arms are forward etc etc. I think it actually does a good job of making the model look more 'human' when posed.

    I would be tempted to make the leap up now if it weren't for the fact that almost all of the characters released so far for G3F (with the exception of Skyler, obviously) look like they're over 40 and addicted to crack. Is there some kind of revolt going on against young, pretty characters all of a sudden? Do they not sell well? With G2F I was spoilt for choice and I bought so many that I haven't even had a chance to use most of them. But with G3F the only one I'd even consider aside from those in the V7 pro bundle is FWSA Bonnie (I quite like Lyoness's Kassandra too, very pretty but no gens texture = no sale).

    The step up to G3 is going to be an expensive one (probably over $200), what with all the morphs etc I'd need, so I really need an incentive in the form of cute, pretty, irresistible characters to make up my mind.

  • Ugh, more and more vendors are abandoning G2F already.  Looks like Rawart can be added to the list :( 

    On a similar note, how well does the G3F clone for G2F work, guys?  As far as clothes fitting, that is.

  • fastbike1fastbike1 Posts: 4,078

    With the exception of shoes, I haven't had any significant issues with general fit. Extreme poses cause issues occassionally, but then that's often true on the original figure. Valzheimer's Wear Them All and Sickelyields  SY Ultra Templates for G3F eliminate all (st least so far in my limites experience with them) of these issues.

    Ugh, more and more vendors are abandoning G2F already.  Looks like Rawart can be added to the list :( 

    On a similar note, how well does the G3F clone for G2F work, guys?  As far as clothes fitting, that is.

     

  • tl155180 said:
    I would be tempted to make the leap up now if it weren't for the fact that almost all of the characters released so far for G3F (with the exception of Skyler, obviously) look like they're over 40 and addicted to crack.

    As someone who is over 40 and addicted to wisecracks, I have to ask what base you are counting in to read most G3F characters as over 40?

  • tl155180tl155180 Posts: 994
    edited September 2015
    tl155180 said:
    I would be tempted to make the leap up now if it weren't for the fact that almost all of the characters released so far for G3F (with the exception of Skyler, obviously) look like they're over 40 and addicted to crack.

    As someone who is over 40 and addicted to wisecracks, I have to ask what base you are counting in to read most G3F characters as over 40?

    Well they say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I think that goes for age as well when dealing with most 3D characters. To me the G3F ones mostly look 40+. Its hard to put my finger on why... they generally have very gaunt, angular faces, weathered-looking skin, and old eyes which all combine to make them look older and less pretty than many of the G2F alternatives. They look like they were designed to be evil queens.

    And I'm saying this as someone who's rapidly approaching 40 myself, so no need to take offense wink. Theres nothing wrong with older looking models if thats what people are aiming for, but I prefer to render models that look closer to the peak of their physical attractiveness.

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 26,182
    kyoto kid said:

    ....I've had issues with the mesh "spiking" and crumpling at hgher smoothing values.

    Yes, that happens to me a lot.

  • IceEmpressIceEmpress Posts: 639
    edited September 2015
    fastbike1 said:

    With the exception of shoes, I haven't had any significant issues with general fit. Extreme poses cause issues occassionally, but then that's often true on the original figure. Valzheimer's Wear Them All and Sickelyields  SY Ultra Templates for G3F eliminate all (st least so far in my limites experience with them) of these issues.

    Ugh, more and more vendors are abandoning G2F already.  Looks like Rawart can be added to the list :( 

    On a similar note, how well does the G3F clone for G2F work, guys?  As far as clothes fitting, that is.

     

    No, you misunderstand.  I am talking about the G3F clone FOR Genesis 2 Female.  As in fitting G3F clothing onto Genesis 2 Female.  I don't care one lick for those two products nor do I ever intend to use G3F.  All I care about is if G3F clothes can be used on G2F.

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  • fastbike1 said:

    With the exception of shoes, I haven't had any significant issues with general fit. Extreme poses cause issues occassionally, but then that's often true on the original figure. Valzheimer's Wear Them All and Sickelyields  SY Ultra Templates for G3F eliminate all (st least so far in my limites experience with them) of these issues.

    Ugh, more and more vendors are abandoning G2F already.  Looks like Rawart can be added to the list :( 

    On a similar note, how well does the G3F clone for G2F work, guys?  As far as clothes fitting, that is.

     

    No, you misunderstand.  I am talking about the G3F clone FOR Genesis 2 Female.  As in fitting G3F clothing onto Genesis 2 Female.  I don't care one lick for those two products nor do I ever intend to use G3F.  All I care about is if G3F clothes can be used on G2F.

    Short answer is no.  Generally you would use a legacy figures morph on the current generation figure to to achieve that.  

  • I thought there is a G3F for G2F autofit clone in the store.  *Checks*  Yeah.  Are you saying that this product isn't any good at all?

    http://www.daz3d.com/genesis-3-female-for-genesis-2-female-s

  • RorrKonnRorrKonn Posts: 509
    edited September 2015

    Does DAZ Still have the 30 day return policy ?

    Post edited by RorrKonn on
  • I thought there is a G3F for G2F autofit clone in the store.  *Checks*  Yeah.  Are you saying that this product isn't any good at all?

    http://www.daz3d.com/genesis-3-female-for-genesis-2-female-s

    If it didn't at least function wouldn't be in the store.

  • ronmolinaronmolina Posts: 118
    edited September 2015

    I have all going back to when DAZ started selling. I think it was Zygote before DAZ could be wrong about that. I still even have V1 and M1. No reason to stop now. Most of my older poses still work on all figures with some having to be tweaed only to a minor extent. I still use V3 clothing on all of them.

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343
    RorrKonn said:

    Does DAZ Still have the 30 day return policy ?

    Yes, they do.  I returned Shade just a week or so ago ... no issues at all....

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,574
    RorrKonn said:

    Does DAZ Still have the 30 day return policy ?

    Yes, but it does not apply during some promotions when products are bought at a large discount. An example of this is the current PA promotion, where buying items with the extra discount means those items can not be returned. Normally though you can, unless it explicitly states that you can not.

  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,080
    edited September 2015

    Ugh, more and more vendors are abandoning G2F already.  Looks like Rawart can be added to the list :( 

    On a similar note, how well does the G3F clone for G2F work, guys?  As far as clothes fitting, that is.

    This is why I am buying less and less with everyone jumping on the G3 bandwagon and leaving G2, G1 and V4 to rot this time around I am not hopping on at least not for a long time I have too much invested in the previous generations to throw them away.. And with the what I see as a very convoluted and round about way of converting previous generations of characters to G3 I just can not be bothered with converting all my characters again just so I can as they say "keep up with the Jones's".. 

    The only way I might even consider it is if Dimension3D is working on a new version of the GenX plugin, that there will be the Gen 4, Gen 5 and Gen 6 shapes and a decent plugin to convert Gen 4, Gen 5 and Gen 6 textures to G3..

    Until that happens I am staying with what I have and will only buy stuff that is not figure related or that is for the characters I already have. And well the only things I did buy for G3 were just the head and body morphs and since then I have not bought anything for the new character because of the reasons above..

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  • RorrKonnRorrKonn Posts: 509
    edited September 2015
    RAMWolff said:
    RorrKonn said:

    Does DAZ Still have the 30 day return policy ?

    Yes, they do.  I returned Shade just a week or so ago ... no issues at all....

    I model in a old basic C4D 9,map in Blender or zBrush,sculpt in zBrush.

    Houdini ,Allegorithmic ,Quixel is on my to get list.

    Guess I alt to sell some characters to pay for it all but I'd like to use just one app.

    Don't think it's ever going to happen thou.

    Post edited by RorrKonn on
  • Havos said:
    RorrKonn said:

    Does DAZ Still have the 30 day return policy ?

    Yes, but it does not apply during some promotions when products are bought at a large discount. An example of this is the current PA promotion, where buying items with the extra discount means those items can not be returned. Normally though you can, unless it explicitly states that you can not.

    Oh so DavidGB got V7 on promotion and couldn't return it ?

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847

    ...well Teen Josie 7 is out  and looks nothing like her Gen 6 "sister"  While her physique appears right for the 14 -15 year old, her face doesn't seem as youthful as Belle's or Teen Julie's.

  • kyoto kid said:

    ...well Teen Josie 7 is out  and looks nothing like her Gen 6 "sister"  

    Which is what I was telling people before she came out, she won't be a repeat. Just like V7 and anybody else they are new shapes. Same name :)

  • MallenLaneMallenLane Posts: 161
    edited September 2015

    Evenly sized quads for SubD has got to be one of the stupidest things said in this forum. And this comment has apparently been said by the creator of the G3F mesh.

     

    Yep, I said that. And yes, I've modelled every base mesh since Victoria 4. Evenly spaced quads are for sculpting, so you avoid rectangular polygons - which artifact when sculpted across because of the detail scale change - which most modelers/sculptors know.

    More goals are balanced with the G3 mesh - even quads, fewer direction changes, smaller polygon footprint, and better distribution. I design the models for the tech at hand and the usage goals. I could go through each of the choices one by one, but that wouldn't convince anyone who doesn't like them.

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  • RorrKonnRorrKonn Posts: 509
    edited September 2015

    MallenLane Had to give a shout out at are modern day Michelangelo !!! :)

    Post edited by RorrKonn on
  • Hey MallenLane - fantastic work on Gen 3 - I absolutely love working with her and could never go back!  The only small issue that I had initially is I had to work a bit with the balls of her feet when doing foot morphs.  Most of the time she is in shoes, but for pool and beach scenes I have to do a bit of modeling.  The balls of the feet can get a bit bumpy so it just takes a bit more work to correct.  She is actually a dream to morph and pose, thanks again!  I also love the extra bones.  This is the first time I can actually pose a figure and have her almost spot on with a real person's pose.

     

     

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847

    ..so if you don't do sculpting (not eveyone can afford ZXBrush) Evenly sized quads for SubD has got to be one of the stupidest things said in this forum. And this comment has apparently been said by the creator of the G3F mesh.

     

    Yep, I said that. And yes, I've modelled every base mesh since Victoria 4. Evenly spaced quads are for sculpting, so you avoid rectangular polygons - which artifact when sculpted across because of the detail scale change - which most modelers/sculptors know.

    More goals are balanced with the G3 mesh - even quads, fewer direction changes, smaller polygon footprint, and better distribution. I design the models for the tech at hand and the usage goals. I could go through each of the choices one by one, but that wouldn't convince anyone who doesn't like them.

    ...so if you don't do sculpting what is the advantage then? Not everyone can afford ZBrush and/or the time to learn sculpting/modelling.

  • SorelSorel Posts: 1,412
    kyoto kid said:

    ..so if you don't do sculpting (not eveyone can afford ZXBrush) Evenly sized quads for SubD has got to be one of the stupidest things said in this forum. And this comment has apparently been said by the creator of the G3F mesh.

     

    Yep, I said that. And yes, I've modelled every base mesh since Victoria 4. Evenly spaced quads are for sculpting, so you avoid rectangular polygons - which artifact when sculpted across because of the detail scale change - which most modelers/sculptors know.

    More goals are balanced with the G3 mesh - even quads, fewer direction changes, smaller polygon footprint, and better distribution. I design the models for the tech at hand and the usage goals. I could go through each of the choices one by one, but that wouldn't convince anyone who doesn't like them.

    ...so if you don't do sculpting what is the advantage then? Not everyone can afford ZBrush and/or the time to learn sculpting/modelling.

    It benefits the people who do, obviously. After all, we wouldn't be here buying characters if we could all do it ourselves. 

  • Blender has a free sculpter

    AutoDesk MudBox is only $10 a month

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847
    edited September 2015

    ...Blender is a "lost cause" for me, and like Adobe CC, doesn't Mudbox require a minimum year's subscription?

    I mainly deal just with morphs and DFormers anyway.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • kyoto kid said:

    ...Blender is a "lost cause" for me, and like Adobe CC, doesn't Mudbox require a minimum year's subscription?

    I mainly deal just with morphs and DFormers anyway.

    No, Mudbox is a month-to-month arrangement, just like the rest of Autodesk's products.

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