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  • jakkujakku Posts: 91
    edited December 1969

    After having used Victoria 7 a bit, I must say, she is just amazing! wow

    The way she bends is just a huge improvement!

    This is, in my opinion a much much bigger leap forward than V5-V6 ever was, much bigger!

    Totally worthy of the 7 after her name! :)

    I always have to spend quite a bit of time with new figure generations before I start to enjoy them, but Victoria 7 is totally different, I liked her after 2 minutes and loved her after an hour!!

    Thanks DAZ!

  • KatteyKattey Posts: 2,899
    edited December 1969

    ChangelingChick said:
    Kattey said:
    Genesis X had become new Assassin Creed and FIFA.
    When I'd stop quietly laughing at G3 release I might be able to wait for G4 and maybe hope that next Improved Genesis #X would not be just a bland iteration of once amazing concept like V7 is. I just have that feeling even if G4 the isn't in works yet, it will be there quite soon and, considering how generations are sped up, it may take just 1 or 1.5 years instead of 2 this time.

    GenX as in the tool that ports morphs from V4 and between Genesis 1 and 2.

    'Genesis X' here meaning 'Genesis 3' and unavoidable 'Genesis 4', '5', etc.

    GenX is a tool that I don't need to transfer morphs from V4 to G2F.

  • PulpArtstPulpArtst Posts: 88
    edited December 1969

    New technological advancements, such as Dual Quaternion weight maps, triangle free mesh, reduce poly count and UDIM standard UV’s, make Genesis 3 even more compatible with other industry standard 3D applications for ease of cross platform use.

    To me this explains V7/G3F more than anything else, which is Daz is looking to really move into the professional 3D market with their products by increasing compatibility.

  • DAZ_SpookyDAZ_Spooky Posts: 3,100
    edited December 1969

    diogenese19348 said:

    Turk, as far as DAZ 4.8 goes, 3Delight is still supported and is in fact the default. You have to manually set it to I-ray in render settings if you want to use it. I-ray will work without an NVDIA card, it is just slow. In any case, you don't need to use it. You ought to upgrade, there is no downside to it.

    3Delight is not the default, To use 3Delight you have to switch it from Iray to 3Delight. Granted Your render engine choice is remembered from session to session so you only have to set it when you want to change which one you are using.

    Iray being slow using CPU only as compared to using a GPU as part of your render. Comparing Iray CPU only to 3Delight, on average, with equivalent scenes, it is about the same speed. There are circumstances where one is faster than the other, in some cases significantly faster, but on average.

    (Note there is no Iray equivalent to load a figure, just use the headlamp and render.)

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,737
    edited December 1969

    opal42987 said:
    Hell, it's already happening! Check G2F and G2M only, and the only new products for G2F today are two new hairs designed primarily for G3F! This is even worse than the loss of G1 support!
    That's always the case for a major releases, almost all products on release day are for the new figure / shape... That doesn't mean products for G1 or G2 won't be released later. :roll:
  • SuperdogSuperdog Posts: 765
    edited June 2015

    Kamion99 said:
    Daikatana said:
    riftwitch said:
    Superdog said:
    I'm not seeing enough extra "reality" to justify spending £1000's upgrading to G3. I know it's early days yet and I like the move back to one base figure like with Genesis but the expressions better be a quantum leap above G2 to get me to upgrade. I have so many G1&2 characters that there needs to be some way to convert them to G3 otherwise I'm done with the "upgrade" treadmill. There isn't really an upgrade path with any of these products - just buying something you already own all over again. For example I recently bought the pose builder product and will now have to buy it all over again if I wish to use it on G3. That's not an upgrade path. Really fed up with this treadmill.

    Genesis 3 has separatemale and female bases like Genesis 2. But I'm sure that an upgrade to GenX will allow morph transfer between the two genders.

    Yeah, but how long are we going to be waiting on that and can it even be done? From what I am reading, Genesis 3 is different tech and it may take a while for the creator of GenX to come to terms with the changes and implement the utility correctly.


    The main differences are in rigging, though. GenX is at heart a vertex mover so the changes in rigging shouldn't bother it too much. Especially since there's already a gen2f clone

    If I understand this correctly when GenX3 is released I will be able to transfer all my G1/G2 figures to the base G3 figure? In which case all I need to buy are the G3 base expressions and morphs without needing V7/M7? If that's the case then when a G2 to G3 skin converter is released and some new G3 iRAY skins I can then use all the new G3 joints/morphs with the figures I already own. I've rarely ever used Victoria or Michael so I don't think I need them now.

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  • ScarletX1969ScarletX1969 Posts: 587
    edited December 1969

    Ippotamus said:
    I am afraid better bends and expressions just aren't enough to justify the huge expense.
    I'm off this money-go-round.

    I agree. I swear people seem to just come up with reasons to support and/or buy new things. All the art I've seen done with V3, V4, V5, and V6 didn't seem like it let something like "bad bends and expressions" stop the artist from telling a story.

    I do like V7. Not gonna lie. It's a bit too early to adopt it, IMHO, because of how much stuff is out for G2 still and how in some circles, Gen 4 and G1 are still actively used. Plus, Carrara 9, anyone?

    I think eventually, as newer characters and possibly better backwards compatibility with G1 and G2 stuff comes into play, I will probably get G3 stuff, but right now, the "Holy Grail" of 3D realism is not enough to justify such a purpose.

  • GreywulfGreywulf Posts: 58
    edited June 2015

    I like new shiny things, and unexpected new shiny things are even better. You know what's best of all? FREE UNEXPECTED NEW SHINY THINGS!

    So here we have whole new base figure, complete with two outfits, hair (including Toxic textures and a goodly variety of hair morphs), a surprisingly good baseline texture set, poses and a decent selection of base morphs, and for free........ and still people complain. Sheesh you guys. Call me crazy but I think a huge thank you is in order, not a moan and groan about how evil DAZ is for....... umm..... developing new things for you to play with then giving them away for free. Everything else is optional, ok. Only buy what you want, or not. It's up to you.

    Here's the thing. There's a load of mileage to be found in the Genesis 3 Starter Essentials set and auto-fit will have you covered (so to speak) for a long while to come. Nothing you already have is obsolete. DAZ aren't going to come around and take your Aiko 3/Victoria 4/Genesis/Genesis 2 away. Yes, it probably means that in the future vendors will move from supporting G3F rather than Genesis 2, but that's going to be a glacial change outside DAZ's own marketplace. It took over a year after release for G2F clothing, hair and poses to become commonplace over at Rendo, and with G3F not being supported within Poser, vendors are going to be even slower to shift over.

    If I can throw together a character like this using nothing more than the included base morphs and the default texture right out the box and all for free, all I can say is thank you DAZ, and here's to what you come up with for G4F in 2017 ;)

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  • ChromaDrakeChromaDrake Posts: 288
    edited June 2015

    If this product is the result of DAZ intending to make themselves more in line with gaming industry standards, I guess I can see why they are doing it. But it does seem to have come out suddenly and a bit soon after G2.

    I really hope G3 will have compatibility going back to V4. I don’t care much about compatibility across G3 items (I never need to put the same hair, dress, and shoes on a 22 year old cheerleader as I would a seven foot tall ogre, as the announcement proclaims).

    I'm sure there will be a GenX/cross gen figure compatibility tool for it but I haven't seen it stated and that’s the kind of thing that should have very prominent assurances in this kind of new figure announcement. I don't like even the slightest dread that my entire library is being pushed to uselessness.

    Kattey said:
    Genesis X had become new Assassin Creed and FIFA.
    When I'd stop quietly laughing at G3 release I might be able to wait for G4 and maybe hope that next Improved Genesis #X would not be just a bland iteration of once amazing concept like V7 is. I just have that feeling even if G4 the isn't in works yet, it will be there quite soon and, considering how generations are sped up, it may take just 1 or 1.5 years instead of 2 this time.

    It really does seem that way, doesn't it? And it does give a distinct feeling that G3 will be replaced with G4/V8 in a year or two, so why bother with this one? On the plus side G2 stuff should get cheaper.

    Maybe I should just get in the habit of always being a generation behind at this point rather than trying to keep up with the latest releases. I already feel like I’ve been getting squeezed with all the IRAY stuff which came out shortly after I purchased Reality. I just don’t see myself buying much of G3, but if DAZ has general business reasons for doing this, then I can live with it as long as they continue to support cross gen compatibility.

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  • SloshSlosh Posts: 2,391
    edited June 2015

    I was going to wait to post this link in a "Coming Soon" thread, which shows how I used Victoria 7 in some promos for upcoming products of mine, but I see people want to see her in action using Iray to render... These two images (with more to come) are NSFW. I made the dA Gallery because of DAZ restrictions on nudity in promos and the forum. The product is the lingerie, which is sheer on top and bottom, but the renders also feature a hair shader I have in testing.

    I hope this helps some people who are on the fence. And I already know that not everyone is going to think these renders are amazing, but I am quite happy with them and I really enjoy using Genesis 3, Victoria 7, and Iray. I'm all about moving forward, but also about keeping people happy. So, aside from this lingerie and maybe some future projects, I will try to keep things compatible across at least two generations of DAZ figures.

    Warning: NSFW and you must have content filters turned off in deviantArt to view these: L'Envie Lingerie Gallery

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  • ModernWizardModernWizard Posts: 904
    edited December 1969

    Since Daz' documentation wiki is not yet updated [from what I could see] with Genesis 3 Starter Essentials, can someone please list the contents in this thread?

    Thanks.

    --MW

  • GreywulfGreywulf Posts: 58
    edited December 1969

    Doctor Overlord said:

    I really hope G3 will have compatibility going back to V4.

    I agree. There's just two things on my wishlist for G3:

    1. Auto-fit (and possibly texture) compatibility with V4, Genesis & Genesis 2
    2. Better underboob shaping control out the box so clothes don't look like they're superglued underneath the breasts.

    That's it. Everything else is just frosting.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085
    edited December 1969

    Rogerbee said:
    timmins.william said:
    Rogerbee, you mentioned 'who is dictating you spend that much'

    Except all the 'extras' are rather integral elements to giving characters... well, character.

    $400 or more for a modest increase in certain details is a lot to swallow, even assuming anyone ever recreates stuff you like. As it is, I end up using Genesis 1 for stuff like four arms, which simply don't exist for later generations.

    But the uv map thing is a bridge too far. Right now I can use 5 and 6 maps on almost any figure I have.

    Not quite, I said who is dictating you spend that much right now. You can probably spread the cost and be able to take advantage of things like voucher codes and sales later on down the line. That $400 could be a lot less and not hurt the purse so much if done over time. You buy what you want when you can afford it.

    CHEERS!

    My point is synergy.

    Buying over time is like buying a car over time.
    How useful is a car that's just an engine, a frame, and wheel rims?
    Yes, maybe the engine is more fuel efficient and has better pickup than previous models, but the older cars have interchangeable parts and you can actually drive them around without crouching and getting splattered by bugs.

  • SuperdogSuperdog Posts: 765
    edited December 1969

    The Grey Wulf said:
    I like new shiny things, and unexpected new shiny things are even better. You know what's best of all? FREE UNEXPECTED NEW SHINY THINGS!

    So here we have whole new base figure, complete with two outfits, hair (including Toxic textures and a goodly variety of hair morphs), a surprisingly good baseline texture set, poses and a decent selection of base morphs, and for free........ and still people complain. Sheesh you guys. Call me crazy but I think a huge thank you is in order, not a moan and groan about how evil DAZ is for....... umm..... developing new things for you to play with then giving them away for free. Everything else is optional, ok. Only buy what you want, or not. It's up to you.

    Here's the thing. There's a load of mileage to be found in the Genesis 3 Starter Essentials set and auto-fit will have you covered (so to speak) for a long while to come. Nothing you already have is obsolete. DAZ aren't going to come around and take your Aiko 3/Victoria 4/Genesis/Genesis 2 away. Yes, it probably means that in the future vendors will move from supporting G3F rather than Genesis 2, but that's going to be a glacial change outside DAZ's own marketplace. It took over a year after release for G2F clothing, hair and poses to become commonplace over at Rendo, and with G3F not being supported within Poser, vendors are going to be even slower to shift over.

    If I can throw together a character like this using nothing more than the included base morphs and the default texture right out the box and all for free, all I can say is thank you DAZ, and here's to what you come up with for G4F in 2017 ;)

    I don't think anyone's complaining about the base figure. The concern is with compatibility and improved realism both of which seem to be rather lacking atm. When other developers release updates and improve their software between upgrade cycles it's part of the development process. New features like the G3 base figure is the basis for selling us content rather than simply a gesture of goodwill on the part of DAZ. Constructive criticism, including concerns about costs, are legitimate feedback that has nothing to do with being ungrateful about anything.

  • Hiro ProtagonistHiro Protagonist Posts: 699
    edited June 2015

    I have to say, like many people, I was amazed to see Genesis 3 and Victoria 7 appear—it took a while to sink in as I thought G3 would be at least a year, if not more, away.

    It shows no signs of appearing in my DIM, even now, so I downloaded it manually and put the package in the Downloads\DAZ3D\InstallManager folder, where DIM then discovered it as ready to install.

    I think this is a significant advance on G2 when I look at the UVs and the incredible number of new bones, including what looks like dozens of ghost bones in the face. I'm looking forward to seeing what can be done with expression morphs, but even with the basic ones supplied much more natural and subtle expressions can be made. It's about time this was addressed and I'm pleased to see how much thought and work has been put into it.

    I've put a lot of money into G1 and G2 products but I don't begrudge it as what is important to me are improvements in consumer 3D technology. I really cannot agree that it is just a "money grabbing" stunt as some people have said.

    I set up a very quick scene just using the G3 Essentials to test in Reality/Luxrender. The SSS Skin material is not loaded by default as Reality doesn't recognize G3 yet, of course, but I just left it as glossy, and in fact made no changes to the materials on anything. Given that, I was pleased with the result. Most of the time I spent was playing around with the expressions and came up with this somewhat enigmatic one.

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  • KatteyKattey Posts: 2,899
    edited December 1969

    Doctor Overlord said:

    Kattey said:
    Genesis X had become new Assassin Creed and FIFA.
    When I'd stop quietly laughing at G3 release I might be able to wait for G4 and maybe hope that next Improved Genesis #X would not be just a bland iteration of once amazing concept like V7 is. I just have that feeling even if G4 the isn't in works yet, it will be there quite soon and, considering how generations are sped up, it may take just 1 or 1.5 years instead of 2 this time.

    It really does seem that way, doesn't it? And it does give a distinct feeling that G3 will be tossed aside for the G4/V8 in a year or two, so why bother with this one?
    I'm not bothering, not even to check if essential morphs are about the same for the third time. Considering that generations are sped up, Iterative 3D figures are becoming increasingly expensive to work with as same or more money has to be spent in lesser amount of time to bring capabilities of new figures to appropriate level, meaning that annually full adopters will have to spend more and more. While some backward/retro comparability remains, it would require more and more loops to jump through with each iteration – I still can use Mil3 skins on G2 and I probably can remap G3 to take G2 skins at some point, but why bother? As DAZ3D is making its money out of selling new generations, there will be new generations, so I can always imagine something amazing that is worth of waiting. G3 is not that.
  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085
    edited December 1969

    10 years ago I gave up on CGI because the technology was advancing too quickly for me to afford. Every year or so it seemed Ray Dream had a new version, and my hardware was lagging fast. That, and I was poor.

    I'm a lot less poor now and the base software being free is a huge plus. But I still can't afford to rebuy $1000-2000 of content every two years in addition to all the other stuff I want to get.

    My biggest concern is clothes and similar not being backward compatible. I already run into problems trying to put G2 clothing on Genesis 1 figures, trying to fit Victoria 7 shirt on Victoria 5? Ugh.

    Though given how things go, perhaps this will just encourage me to start shopping elsewhere for content.

  • GreywulfGreywulf Posts: 58
    edited December 1969

    ModernWizard said:
    Since Daz' documentation wiki is not yet updated [from what I could see] with Genesis 3 Starter Essentials, can someone please list the contents in this thread?

    Thanks.

    --MW

    Here you go.


    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Genesis 3 Female.duf

    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Basic Wear/Basic Wear.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Basic Wear/Shorts.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Basic Wear/Top.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Basic Wear/Underwear.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Basic Wear/Materials/ - 6 colours

    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Dark Storm/Dark Storm !Outfit.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Dark Storm/Dark Storm Arm Armor.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Dark Storm/Dark Storm Belt.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Dark Storm/Dark Storm Boots Pose.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Dark Storm/Dark Storm Boots.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Dark Storm/Dark Storm Collar.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Dark Storm/Dark Storm Corset.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Dark Storm/Dark Storm Gloves.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Dark Storm/Dark Storm Pants.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Dark Storm/Materials/ - 5 variations
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Clothing/Dark Storm/Materials/Iray/ - 5 variations

    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Hair/Toulouse Hair/Toulouse Hair.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Hair/Toulouse Hair/Materials/ - 16 colours & strands
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Hair/Toulouse Hair/Materials/ToXic/ - 70 colours, 48 mixes

    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane All MAT.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane Eyes 01.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane Eyes 02.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane Eyes 03.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane Eyes 04.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane Eyes Reflection 01.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane Eyes Reflection 02.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane Eyes Reflection 03.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane Make-Up 00.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane Make-Up 01.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane Make-Up 02.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane Mouth No SSS.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane Mouth SSS.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane Skin SSS 25.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane Skin SSS 50.duf
    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Materials/Jeane Skin SSS 75.duf

    /People/Genesis 3 Female/Poses/ - 18 Fashion Model Poses

    /Render Presets/Iray/Iray Advanced Render Settings.duf

  • SuperdogSuperdog Posts: 765
    edited December 1969

    Slosh said:
    I was going to wait to post this link in a "Coming Soon" thread, which shows how I used Victoria 7 in some promos for upcoming products of mine, but I see people want to see her in action using Iray to render... These two images (with more to come) are NSFW. I made the dA Gallery because of DAZ restrictions on nudity in promos and the forum. The product is the lingerie, which is sheer on top and bottom, but the renders also feature a hair shader I have in testing.

    I hope this helps some people who are on the fence. And I already know that not everyone is going to think these renders are amazing, but I am quite happy with them and I really enjoy using Genesis 3, Victoria 7, and Iray. I'm all about moving forward, but also about keeping people happy. So, aside from this lingerie and maybe some future projects, I will try to keep things compatible across at least two generations of DAZ figures.

    Warning: NSFW and you must have content filters turned off in deviantArt to view these: L'Envie Lingerie Gallery

    They are both excellent renders but in terms of realism I prefer your 'Gianni Stoic Full' which I assume is a G2 figure? I think a lot of the realism is in the lighting and skin textures so perhaps G3 will get there eventually. I initially felt that G1 had a slight edge over G2 in terms of realism but that changed so perhaps the case with G3 will be the same. I'm disappointed that DAZ hasn't made the most of that aspect of G3 though because it really holds me back from purchasing.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085
    edited December 1969

    A list of stuff I use regularly:
    Aging morphs
    General extended morphs (head, body, male and female)
    Creature morphs and geografts
    A range of skins (Benjamin, Zev0's skin generator and extra overlay thingie)

    Again, it's that last bit, the skins, that pushes things too far. Right now I can cover most of the skin types I might need. Going G3 would pretty much shove me to getting even more figures I don't care about.
    As it is, I'm saving up for new hardware to make better use of Iray. The prospect of doing that and then spending a few grand on content? Um, no.

    I had hoped that G3 would come with some groundbreaking new functionality. But compatibility with Maya and Autodesk is completely irrelevant to me. And it smacks of Daz expecting us to pay for Daz opening up a new field of customers. We're paying to help you sell more product?

    As for dynamic clothing... Optitex is a royal pita to use effectively. The thought of having even two or three figures to drape in a scene gives me a headache.
    I use it when only it will do (for my four armed character and when I need a sheet on something), but otherwise it's not worth it most of the time.

  • SedorSedor Posts: 1,764
    edited December 1969

    I love her...

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  • diogenese19348diogenese19348 Posts: 929
    edited December 1969

    DAZ_Spooky said:
    diogenese19348 said:

    Turk, as far as DAZ 4.8 goes, 3Delight is still supported and is in fact the default. You have to manually set it to I-ray in render settings if you want to use it. I-ray will work without an NVDIA card, it is just slow. In any case, you don't need to use it. You ought to upgrade, there is no downside to it.

    3Delight is not the default, To use 3Delight you have to switch it from Iray to 3Delight. Granted Your render engine choice is remembered from session to session so you only have to set it when you want to change which one you are using.

    Iray being slow using CPU only as compared to using a GPU as part of your render. Comparing Iray CPU only to 3Delight, on average, with equivalent scenes, it is about the same speed. There are circumstances where one is faster than the other, in some cases significantly faster, but on average.

    (Note there is no Iray equivalent to load a figure, just use the headlamp and render.)

    *Scratches Head* Hmmm... I thought I remembered having to switch it over to I-Ray when I originally installed 4.8, I recall wondering how to do it after I installed since I had bought a new video card for the purpose and was still getting 3DLight renders. Kind of moot until I can invent a time machine to check, but yes, it remembers the settings you used last so it's kind of moot.

  • GreywulfGreywulf Posts: 58
    edited December 1969

    sedor said:
    I love her...

    Hey that's a great render!

  • ModernWizardModernWizard Posts: 904
    edited December 1969

    Thank you Grey Wulf -- looks like 2 two outfits, 1 new texture, and 1 new set of poses -- no new hair. [I like free hair.]

    --MW

  • ChromaDrakeChromaDrake Posts: 288
    edited June 2015

    I'm wondering, do people think that V7 was actually more of a side-ways progression rather than an evolution? That is not a bad thing, necessarily. But from what little I have learned so far, I wonder if it might have been more appropriate to present this a whole different category of figure.

    Call her 'Wanda' or something and state she is a figure dedicated for people more interested in gaming development since it has less polys, more compatibility with gaming standards and doesn't worry about compatibility with Poser.

    Victoria and G2 would remain the figure for the artists, and poser users/vendors will continue to support Victoria. People more interested in animation/gaming would use 'Wanda' (or whoever).

    Or is a just silly idea?

    I suppose it is an 'evolution' since G2 will probably not be able to use G3 props. Victoria and a hypothetical 'Wanda' would need to be fully cross-compatible to warrant a new category of figure.

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  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,555
    edited December 1969

    Slosh said:
    I was going to wait to post this link in a "Coming Soon" thread, which shows how I used Victoria 7 in some promos for upcoming products of mine, but I see people want to see her in action using Iray to render... These two images (with more to come) are NSFW. I made the dA Gallery because of DAZ restrictions on nudity in promos and the forum. The product is the lingerie, which is sheer on top and bottom, but the renders also feature a hair shader I have in testing.

    I hope this helps some people who are on the fence. And I already know that not everyone is going to think these renders are amazing, but I am quite happy with them and I really enjoy using Genesis 3, Victoria 7, and Iray. I'm all about moving forward, but also about keeping people happy. So, aside from this lingerie and maybe some future projects, I will try to keep things compatible across at least two generations of DAZ figures.

    Warning: NSFW and you must have content filters turned off in deviantArt to view these: L'Envie Lingerie Gallery

    she looks good to me Slosh and in some ways more realistic too

  • SloshSlosh Posts: 2,391
    edited December 1969

    I want to remind everyone, also, that we are only 10 hours into the Genesis 3 release. There is more to come, and also we PA's have not had much more time to work with Iray or with Genesis 3 than you, the customers, have. Already people have seen that Iray uses textures differently and the artists who make skin textures are having to change the way they make textures. Diffuse maps should not be quite as saturated for Iray, and then there are translucency or SSS maps to consider, which was not as necessary in 3Delight, even with AgeOfArmor's SSS Skin Shader. So finding a balance between what looks good in Iray as well as 3Delight is going to take some time to perfect. This is just the skin aspect.

    Then there is clothing, which we clothing makers are having to learn a new weight mapping system, as well as rigging bones that we didn't have before, etc. I can only see Genesis 3 growing and growing, and I really have a lot of confidence in the figure moving forward. Hopefully everyone else will see it sooner than later.

    As far as "having to rebuy everything"... no you don't. If you bought a dress for V7, use it on V7. There is nothing saying you can't have Genesis 2 in the same scene with Genesis 3, or Genesis or Victoria 4 for that matter. Things don't have to be compatible to say they were not a waste of your investment. There in nothing inherently wrong with any of the DAZ figures from generation 4 on up (and some even still love generation 3). So it's a matter of using the figure/skin/clothing/hair/render engine that best fits your scene and your resources. If you know how to compose a scene, pose a figure, and set up good lighting, every penny you invested in content is money well spent. I use M4 quite a bit in my personal renders because he was (is) a good looking figure and I like the clothes I have for him. But I'm not going to hold back from using G, G2, or eventually G3. Use them all.

    Since the base Genesis 3 Female is free, and Iray is free, and DAZ Studio is free, there is nothing to be upset about. Play with G3 for a bit and see how things work before getting too riled up :) I have to stop now, or I will just keep rambling.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited December 1969

    I think V7 Looks fantastic..
    But heck I am still working on getting g2f content and now Poof
    I have to start all over again. with gen3 . My poor wallet...lol

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085
    edited December 1969

    Slosh, except past experience shows that once there's a new thing, support drops off.

    And what is annoying is that, since less stuff is compatible across G3 and other generations, folks who are interested in more unusual stuff will feel the pinch more. I mean, as it is I have to drop back to G1 to use things like four arms, cyclops, and so on.

    It's not just 'use it if you feel like it,' it's 'hey, prepare to be shut out unless you have the scratch or your interests are very mainstream.'

    You can certainly feel that the advantages are worth it, but the complaints aren't irrational.

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 4,511
    edited December 1969

    Kattey said:
    Considering that generations are sped up, Iterative 3D figures are becoming increasingly expensive to work with as same or more money has to be spent in lesser amount of time to bring capabilities of new figures to appropriate level, meaning that annually full adopters will have to spend more and more.

    After G2F was released so quickly I knew this was the new future though. So I stopped spending pretty early in G2F life and it's worked out fine.
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