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Ah thanks for that. I must have read someone's comment incorrectly!
Hexagon :) Better than using deformers at least...
I bit the bullet due to the side of me that likes to know stuff and I did get V7 even though I NEVER used V6. I did this in hopes some decent textures come out for V7.
I bought no clothes or even hair, so hoping that I can fit some hair...but I don't have DIM so I don't know how to get autofit...
I never use Victoria either so I wonder if buying the head and body morphs and expressions will allow full customisation of the G3 base? I can then wait until a G2 skin and morph converter is released.
There are morph kits for Genesis 3, and actually thats what got me started. I bought those 2 morph kits and the expression kit. No Victoria 7. I didn't really need the morphs(cause I could transfer them over from G2F like I had done for G2F from genesis) but I wanted to get clean morphs specifically for this figure. And right now I don't want to transfer over all my G2F junk. I want G3F to be clean slate, at least for now.
Then i realized I'm too lazy to make textures for skin...and in reality I think V7 will likely have some. May be a while before any skin converters are released...
I don`t think Gen 2 is going anywhere soon, remember Gen 2 is part of the Daz free software, plus she/he has a big library, and many people who use Daz are not going to throw her away just yet.
There still life in the girl yet and I don`t think Daz will ditch her as there are third parties that support her.
We all will get Gen 3 sooner or later.
If you are happy with Gen 2 stick with her, as many has stuck with V4.
Its very early days to if she is any better, as Gen 2 has a lot of morphs and textures and well supported by Daz and other third parties.
I am still a learner when it comes to Daz, but I will get Gen 3 in the next 6 months and slowly build her up.
I have spent well over £400 on Gen 2 over the last 6 months so I am not ditching her yet or anytime soon and I will be buying more stuff for her.
Don`t worry I am sure Daz will have a piece of software out that will bridge the compatibility gap between Gen 2 and Gen 3 then we will all want her.
Daz won't. PA's may choose to bring tools out, I think the main missing element is textures. Everything else there is a solution for. (some solutions may not be 1 click...and so more tools may come out to do just that)
I can only speak for myself here but I suspect that I will mostly support g3 going forward. Why? Most of the character work I do is poses and I can tell a huge difference in pose capability and potential between g2 and g3. I think most PA's strive to get better at what they do as they do it and G3 will present me with that possibility in a big way. I have no idea about other pa's here and if they will or will not keep creating for g2. I'm sure that we have not seen the last G2 products from PA's however. I suspect that at other brokerages where they are just now supporting g2 as an add on to v4 products they will continue to do that support unless it stops being a selling feature for them. Other than that I have no clue what will happen out there.
Have tried it ... now I have a woman with very nice cupcakes.
Have tried it ... now I have a woman with very nice cupcakes.
You left out the most important part, Hexagon or Deformers?
Cause some people have mad skill with the Deformers :)
Optitex Dynamics work just fine with G3F/V7.. Just need to adjust the first/zero pose a little at the arms... Of course since the clothes are not rigged for G3F then you need to do an animated drape (But I always do that anyway)
The new joints fix a lot of the issues I had with Gen 2, the stiffness of hands are gone, feet now move like actual feet, vic 7 finally bends her arms in a natural way... Very very happy...
Plus she looks way better out of the box in iray, here's a quick comparison of Victoria 6 HD with HD skin, and Victoria 7 with her iray skin, both with the same expression dial, standard box light in iray:
You can obviously get better results with vic 6 with some work, but it's nice to see such quality with 0 effort.
LAMH support for Iray is almost done.
Kendall
I think people might be misunderstanding my complaint about V7 buy-in.
The point is that I can't 'just buy what I can.' Right now, V7 is only useful for fairly conventional characters. Except without a lot of ethnic and aging morphs and similar, or a range of skins, she is... absolutely useless to me. There is literally no point to even downloading her other than to wiggle her heels and go 'wow, that would be neat if I had several hundred dollars worth of content, much of which doesn't exist yet.'
Better posing and expressions is appealing, but without the rest of it? Enh.
I'm certainly in favor of more convincing facial movements/expressions, but the new figure generations are getting ridiculous. I'm not even up to speed on the previous Genesises, and every time I feel like I ought to get familiar with how to use them and what I've bought for them, instead I just go back to my Gen4 figures that I'm actually comfortable with and know how to use. :/
Thats how all the new generations start however. And because we will never again have a generation that lasted as long as Gen4, You have a few options.
You wait till Daz gives you "permission" to make your ethnic characters, toons, cowboys, old folks or business suits(meaning you limit what what you make based on what they sell...and wait for them to decide its profitable to make brown people)
You autofit/convert what you can and use that (right now that is not an option for skins)
Or you use the base figure and make it happen yourself :)
My plan for tonight is a mix of 2 and 3. I gave up on 1 a looong time ago.
Or stay one generation back, pick up stuff for pennies. Have a huge assortment. I'm doing a bit of this for the forseeable future too, but I don't really plan to buy more G2 stuff, I stopped that ages ago for the most part.
So just wait then.... What's all the fuss about?
same here. sigh
Was nice and surprising to see the news that a new Victoria has arrived... I'm always excited to try new technology and welcome it as soon as it arrives. Bad time of the month for me to find new product unfortunately. I managed to play around with the gen 3 figure and noticed some definite improvements made to bending the area around the neck and shoulders are far better than before. The thing that bothers me about this release and past Victoria releases is the way to obtain them.. Victoria Pro? Really? What makes this pro? IMHO it comes with junk that I would never buy otherwise but you have no choice but to buy it in order for Victoria to be somewhat complete... Genitals. I know it's a marketing strategy but one you can only pull so many times before people start questioning things... I have a bit of a marketing background myself and there comes a time when both parties have to at least feel they're getting a good deal. Take a look at Apple for instance, when they introduce a new product people line up for miles and wait for hours to get theirs. That is mostly due to Apple's reputation and quality. When I bought an Iphone 6 plus there was this unconscious feeling of knowing I was buying quality from a quality driven vendor. I'm not trying to seriously compare both company's but I'm sure you get it. People need to feel like they're getting good bang for the buck or they hold out the green. Rather then forcing people to buy junk they probably never would buy. Why not offer a Victoria Necessities bundle or a build a bundle. Necessities, would obviously include all morphs, expressions and body parts... The build your own bundle would be a much smarter Idea where people could buy V7 and say... 5 other related items and save 50% or whatever works off the total, on that purchase. This way everyone wins... I have a feeling this bundle thing will come up as an issue as the old way has run its course.
Rob:
The fuss is watching all the new clothing be useless to me and all sorts of neat content I'd like to use except I can't use any of it without a big buy-in.
Essentially, it's watching 'stuff I can use' dwindle over the next year, then be essentially without support or options until finally there's enough stuff available for G3, then slowly afford to buy G3 but be mostly unable to use it until I've bought enough and then watch the announcements for G4.
At least with G2 and G1 there was a fair degree of translation and some shared stuff, like skins.
With G2 and G3... G2 can be used for G3 with auto-fit, but that's about it.
I never buy bundles because I don´t do much recreational rendering and I would never use the items included.
I am hesitant to buy V7 because I still haven´t gotten the 1 dollar glitch resolved and I´m afraid I´ll spend 31 dollars and won´t have V7.
But she does look nice! Definitely better than V6.
I like her Spanish/ Portuguese feel : )
Can´t wait to see everyone´s renders!
I see a lot of folks complaining about the cost of starting over on the new figure. I've typically been an early adopter as the new figures launch. I grabbed every Genesis product that first came out to play with the new technology as it was substantially a big change in the 3D figure world. When the Genesis 2 launched, I was reserved about it as it didn't seem quite as revolutionary, however over time I've come to appreciate the impressive detail that figure ultimately brought forth over Genesis. I'm sure Genesis 3 still has some great features that we are not yet privy to, and now that my spending needs are prioritized to other things, I'll not be an early adopter this go round at all. Genesis 2 has become very matured as a product so I feel it's time I can fully use it. In a way I'm actually happy with Gen 3 being launched as it means products related to previous generation figures might become more affordable as I've recently seen as the case and have had to hold on certain purchases. All the same, I appreciate those persons that adopt Genesis 3 so that there will be great products down the road for me to eventually upgrade to.
Cheers on the new figure launch!
You left out the most important part, Hexagon or Deformers?
Cause some people have mad skill with the Deformers :)
Hexagon.
Have for myself decided to wait for Genesis 3 Male and Michael 7, 'cause I have more usage for a male figure as into another Female. I think, the support for the males will be unfortunetaly possible the same or could be worse as for the predecessors. Males didn't sell well.
With a new Genesis 3 Male it will be more difficult to get characters, clothes etc, as with the last ones, because of the new technology, which only allows a small amount of G2M clothes that will fit with G3M. When i see how large clothes from G2F fit on G3F .. horrible.
Okay. I've read comments in a number of the threads regarding the rollout of G3. And it does look like this one is a game changer. (Sincerely hope that someone comes out with a basic set of skins for it, quickly, since it looks like there is no way to port those.)
The main consensus that I’ve seen is that they DAZ is aiming at the Autodesk and Maya crowd. i.e., Professional developers of a class of software that DAZ figures are already used in to some degree.
My guess—and it may be completely wrong—is that the PTB want a bigger slice of *that* pie, and see enough potential profit to be made by retooling their base figures for it to be willing to break backwards compatibility with their less unified customer base.
After all, it’s not like that part of the crowd can’t keep using their generation 1-6 content indefinitely. The figures still wok in Studio just fine. Even if the users can’t convert their figures’ textures beyond Genesis 2.
It does appear to be throwing a spanner in the works for the vendors to suddenly need to rig their clothing for a whole different system, however.
Unless SM also decides to target the Autodesk crowd. Which raises the question of whether the new weight mapping and rigging are actually DAZ-proprietary. If they've decided to build figures that work out of the box in Maya and other Autodesk software, do Maya and Autodesk use *DAZ* weight maps and rigging standards? I kind of doubt it. So, just how proprietary is the new weight map and rigging standards? And *whose* property and standards are we talking about here?
Because if these standards are Autodesk's, then there's nothing to say that SmithMicro may not be watching the financial reports with great interest, and if DAZ seems to be profiting mightily from it down the road, there is noting to say that SmithMicro may decide to join the party. Whereupon *everyone* will have to learn to use it, regardless. (And, who knows, maybe we can get clothing that‘s good in both programs again.)
"All new clothing useless to you?" What's wrong with the amount of clothing currently available? Are you struggling to find something?
"Stuff I can use dwindle over the next year?" How much V4, V5 and Gen 2 stuff is still out there? Is it going anywhere?
If you like the latest Ford do you buy it just because it shines more then the current one and goes faster? Not many of us can afford that. So we get on with what we have because, unless you have a specific requirement, there's nothing wrong with it. It was good yesterday and it's good today.
Let the G3 bits permeate for a while and join in when you can. Enjoy life - don't complain because there's a new thing you can't afford.
It is called dual quaternion skinning. :) It is in 3DS Max, Maya, Motion Builder, Blender, Softimage, etc. It isn't new, DS has supported it for some time now, it just hasn't been used by anyone in DS. It isn't proprietary and while Autodesk software does use it, they don't own it. :)
The site is largely a store. If there's nothing new in the store which is applicable to you (but which would potentially be highly useful to your projects), then circumstances dictate there's no point in obtaining it.
As I wrote earlier, the fear is that this will be a repeat of the Genesis/Genesis 2 transition and that G2-compatible clothing/hair will effectively no longer be produced within a month or so's time. We can already see that the new clothing is only applicable to G3, not G2 - if there was compatibility, it would already be there.
If, however, that isn't the case and we continue to get new G2 stuff, that would be fantastic. The worry, though, is perfectly valid because the precedent was already set.
And if you feel you might need to do nude/anatomical work, the only way to do that is with the 'Pro' set. The base figures sometimes eventually go on discount, but the 'Pro' editions? They hardly ever do. So, you also now have an air of a 'now-or-never' decision for some people (who may have already spent any spare funds on the recent new Iray shader sets).
Sorry if someone else answered this already (I', still like 10 pages from the end of the thread).
Resizing the figure means resizing all accessories, hair, furniture, other figures, etc. You really don't want to do that.
There is a way to resize the dymanic clothing. Thanks to SimonWM fo this tutorial
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/40199/
Not sure if anyone answered you on this, but no you do not need to resize props etc. If you only have the free plug-in for dynamic clothing then the procedure for getting the clothes to fit a figure through resizing is as follows:
1) Resize your target figure to fit the clothing as best as possible using just x, y, z size dials on the figure (ie no morphs). If does not need to fit exactly, just approximately is good enough.
2) Run the draping simulation against the resized figure.
3) Once you are happy with the drape, freeze it, which creates a static prop of the clothing item in the correctly draped pose.
4) Parent the new static prop to the target figure.
5) Return the target figure to its original size by undoing the x,y,z changes you made in 1). The clothing item will resize with it.
DAZ tried this once before, about eight years ago — about the same time as the "clip art" fiasco. It was a fail, simply because of DAZ's and Poser's lousy rep within the larger CG community. I dont know that this will change anything for users of higher end proggies, save that they'll have a more articulated mesh for their off-hours x-rated animations. :-)
I think that's the most exciting news I've heard this month :D
I almost spewed my drink on that because it's so believable! :lol: I can almost picture it! hahahahaha....
It's not just the lack of support for fixing stuff, as some PAs do tend to dust out there stores now and then. So, my big concern is mostly one of how much time do I have to get the rest of the Gen6 stuff still in my wishlist before it is pulled by the PAs, and how long will it take to get more content for the new gen7 lineup.
I find a particular shoe series useful, as the tops and bottoms are interchangeable (patchwork), it's for Gen6 atm. I have noticed kinks in hair around the neck when it is fitted to a later generation, And not everyone has the same taste in hair style, so that may take some time as well (The LAMH news is assuring, thanks).
Critical bits. Some PAs had made some 'optional' morphs for there G2F figures that did not require the Pro prosthetic for that area. Is that even feasible to do with generation7?
I'm not an old-timer around here, so I noticed stuff missing in all the generation lineups. Is this why, before a wardrobe is complete, a new generation is launched? lol.
I do look forward to G3F/G3M and V7, that is just not going to be feasible until next month for me. By no act or decision of Daz3d, I had to get my Jeep inspected this month.