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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,850
    Sven Dullah said:

    Hmm...this discussion has political and religious undertones and should be lockeddevil

    ...yes

    ..particularly given the story Idea I had that I mentioned about much earlier in the thread. 

    That could be frightening.

    Ever read Fahrenheit 451?

  • Sven DullahSven Dullah Posts: 7,621
    kyoto kid said:
    Sven Dullah said:

    Hmm...this discussion has political and religious undertones and should be lockeddevil

    ...yes

    ..particularly given the story Idea I had that I mentioned about much earlier in the thread. 

    Seem to have missed that one, I'll go look for it;)

    kyoto kid said:

    That could be frightening.

    Ever read Fahrenheit 451?

    Unfortunately not...had to do a quick google search, and yeah...let's not start that discussion over herelaugh...even if it's kind of on topic;)

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,850

    ...my point was that in the story, the media basically controlled the populace. and fabricated situations were accepted as reality.  Most dystopian literature like 1984 used a similar premise. 

  • Sven DullahSven Dullah Posts: 7,621
    edited September 2019
    kyoto kid said:

    ...my point was that in the story, the media basically controlled the populace. and fabricated situations were accepted as reality.  Most dystopian literature like 1984 used a similar premise. 

    LOL I hear you, please don't get me startedwink. Orwell wouldn't be surprised...

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  • Sven DullahSven Dullah Posts: 7,621

    Sure, 3D characters will take over, robots will replace real humans, technology is the new world religion.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,850

    ...all glory to the hypnotoad.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,063
    edited September 2019

    I am still recovering from Wiz's Sweet home Tatooine story blush

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  • Subtropic PixelSubtropic Pixel Posts: 2,388
    edited September 2019
    kyoto kid said:
    Subtropic Pixel said:
    kyoto kid said:
    Petercat said:

    This whole thread reminds me of the Film vs Digital photography wars when digital was in it's infancy.
    Film is still around, but digital won that war.
    I retired my medium format cameras and my Fujichrome 50 when Canon provided the EOS 5D series with L series lenses that could match the image quality in a lighter, faster, more versatile, and overall less  expensive package.
    No, 3D can not replace reality at the moment, but neither could digital replace film at one point.

    Note: I am not equating digital photography with 3D art in any way save the similarity of discussion.

    Note 2: The first 5D couldn't match or exceed medium format, the latest can.

    ...I still use and old Ricoh 35mm SLR. Still takes great photos.Yeah, film is harder to find. While my number 1 favourite film Kodachrome is gone, Ektacrome my second choice, has come back, not only in 35mm but 120 and larger formats.

    Who can afford the film and processing anymore, to say nothing of repair costs.  I happily gave away all my film cameras years ago. 

    I won't dis anybody who wants to use them today, but man oh man, those were some labor intensive days and tons of wasted resources, time, and money.

    ...well, to replace my full kit with comparable digital gear would be far more than I could ever afford on my severely limited income today so it comes down having to make the most out of what I have as best I can. 

    Besides, it also requires one to put more thought and planning into each shot due to the more "limited resources" and "permanency" film has compared digital. Some of us enjoy that challenge for when you get that perfect shot it's a great feeling, kind of like hitting the ball out of the park or sticking that perfect "10.0" landing.

    That's fine, but are you still, at this phase in your life and your art, spending the time to get that perfect 10.0 landing? 

    There's a saying I really like.  It goes something like this:  "Perfection is good, but done is better."

    There's a whole philosophy behind it.  Here's a good article, "23 Reasons why "Done" is Better than Perfect".

    Sempie said:
    nicstt said:
    Sempie said:

    @ Kyoto Kid:

     

    It's mostly in the line of action. Your pose in the 3D version is more stiff.

     

     

    Now that's where I disagree; one is a younger character with fewer and less pronounced curves; this gives the illusion of being stiff, perhaps.

    Age has nothing to do with line of action.

    https://support.animationmentor.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/200964893-Posing-Silhouette-and-Line-of-Action-References

    https://www.makingcomics.com/2014/02/22/elements-gesture/

    https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/e4/ac/12e4ac7d7d0bf665d0046e5c34054cf0.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.pinterest.com/pin/341147740509139993/&docid=23p52lu4JzffLM&tbnid=UaMSc57AM4DvkM:&vet=10ahUKEwiA6u34lbnkAhVABGMBHbStCacQMwhKKAMwAw..i&w=1280&h=960&client=firefox-b-d&bih=986&biw=1488&q=marvel way line of action&ved=0ahUKEwiA6u34lbnkAhVABGMBHbStCacQMwhKKAMwAw&iact=mrc&uact=8

    https://twitter.com/etheringtonbros/status/1131849605627416576

     

    A line of action is usually a C or S shaped cruved line around which an artist constructs the pose. It is usually pushed a bit to make the pose more dynamic than in real life. Not doing this mostly results in weak, stiff poses. And, yes, that goes for 3D as well.

    I have a lot to learn, thank you.  smiley

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,850
    edited September 2019

    ...I was just relating to the feeling you get when you nail that "special shot."  Sometimes it happens by total surprise, and that is when it feels best.

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  • Subtropic PixelSubtropic Pixel Posts: 2,388
    edited September 2019

    Oh, I completely agree.  But one can still get that feeling with the new tools, some of which can get us to "done" a bit quicker.

    Edit:  ...and maybe even cheaper.  That old Ricoh and Leica equipment isn't economical to maintain and fix.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,850

    ..yeah but I don't have hundreds to invest in similar digital equipment and I'm not just going to trade it off for a cheapie snapshot camera with no ability to support different lenses which is about all I can afford..

  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,321
    kyoto kid said:

    ..yeah but I don't have hundreds to invest in similar digital equipment and I'm not just going to trade it off for a cheapie snapshot camera with no ability to support different lenses which is about all I can afford..

    I bought a used Olympus Pen E-PL1 with an adapter for my Canon FD lenses. It was pretty cheap.
    I had too many lenses to let them sit on a shelf and look at. Plus, it has in-body stabilization.
    You can see the results here: https://www.deviantart.com/cat-man-dancing/art/The-Unretired-Film-SLR-lens-562432880
    Adapters are available for almost every camera brand.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,850
    edited September 2019

    ...pixel resolution is somewhat an issue.  I've used some very fine grain film that even when images are enlarged they still looked clear with excellent definition.

    In any event, still a bit out of the budget particularly as my Ricoh lenses may not be compatible. 

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  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,321
    kyoto kid said:

    ...pixel resolution is somewhat an issue.  I've used some very fine grain film that even when images are enlarged they still looked clear with excellent definition.

    In any event, still a bit out of the budget particularly as my Ricoh lenses may not be compatible. 

    I believe that Ricoh used the M42 (early) and the K lens mount (late). Adapters for both are available from Fotasy.

  • Ryuu@AMcCFRyuu@AMcCF Posts: 772

     

    The Blurst of Times said:
    Sven Dullah said:

    Hmm...this discussion has political and religious undertones and should be lockeddevil

    Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a blaster at your side.

     

    LOL! laugh

     

    SadKitty_Carrara said:

    I am still recovering from Wiz's Sweet home Tatooine story blush

    That was the best compilation of all the Star Wars conspiracy theories into one consice paragraph I've ever seen! wink

  • brainmuffinbrainmuffin Posts: 1,267

    They will most definitely replace human actors. Deep fakes are getting to be nearly unnoticeable and 2020 will be a watershed year for them. China is already using an AI generated newscaster for 24x7 reporting.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    They've already started doing this in Hollywood, sort of. They did a virtual young Sean Young in the recent Blade Runner movie and in an upcoming moving starring Will Smith, he's in it twice...once as his current self and also as himself circa 'Fresh Prince" days ;). It's freaky and cool, but a little scary too. LOL It's not perfect, but it'll only get better.

    https://youtu.be/-p-SH5OK9Jw

    Laurie

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,723
    edited October 2019

    Yeah, if audiences accept them & they almost surely will, that is hundreds of millions, if not billions, back into the pocket of the makers of the movies. 

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,850
    brainmuffin said:

    China is already using an AI generated newscaster for 24x7 reporting.

    ...that is what makes this frightening for what if it goes further beyond the entertainment arena than just news?  Maybe I need to dust off that old story idea I mentioned about earlier in this thread, 

  • zombietaggerungzombietaggerung Posts: 3,844

    I for one, welcome our new AI Overlords.

  • Subtropic PixelSubtropic Pixel Posts: 2,388
    zombietaggerung said:

    I for one, welcome our new AI Overlords.

    I aspire to be an Underlord.  How does one get started on THAT project?

  • ghastlycomicghastlycomic Posts: 2,531

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looker

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,850

    ...yes

  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100
    SadKitty_Carrara said:

    I am still recovering from Wiz's Sweet home Tatooine story blush

    I'm going to have to do some of my infamous image morphs.

  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100
    brainmuffin said:

    They will most definitely replace human actors. Deep fakes are getting to be nearly unnoticeable and 2020 will be a watershed year for them. China is already using an AI generated newscaster for 24x7 reporting.

    Deep fakes may replace "big name" actors, but you still need a decent performance to fake over and (if you're shooting specifically for fakes) binocular or trinocular cameras for a better depth map and some extra background to fill in obscured areas.

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