I don't often get involved in these rule questions. However, what I find confusing is someone will ask a rules question and several well meaning participants that are not the host, ETO or music will jump in with there answer. I have seen several different well meaning answers to the same question. And when the host, ETO or music do answer the question they are all too often challenged with a what if, how come or why not.
The problem I have is with the opening post by the host ( the post only, not the host whom I think does a wonderful job). After the intro to the challenge the next heading should be
"R U L E S"
The first and only comment should be in a cookie cutter BOLD FACE MEDIUM SIZE note
Please read the RULES FOR THE MONTHLY FREEBIE CHALLENGE located on the first page of the General Freepozitory 5th sticky down.
The next heading should be an addendum to the rules as the host feels necessary for the particular challenge.
I have read the, RULES FOR THE MONTHLY FREEBIE CHALLENGE located on the first page of the General Freepozitory 5th sticky down, several times. I am an old man that many have said has lost most of his marbles but these rules seem very clear and easy to follow.
I like the second line above the smiley face at the bottom of the page.
"Those are the rules. If you have any questions about a certain month, please pm the host or me (Music) for help."
This could help lower the page count to these challenges. Although it won't help your post count.
So Dollygirl please forgive my interruption to your challenge. I am going off to have more fun with more NAE, maybe an entry. and hopefully more Hershey's Chocolate Cream Pie.
NAE
Title: Please be Seated
thanks dlee, well put. we do appreciate everyone trying to help explain the rules, but I agree that too many cooks spoil the broth. But thank you all anyway for trying to help explain the rules.
4. Postwork on scenes is limited to insertion of conversation balloons, signatures and borders. If you create a page with multiple scenes then postwork to compile the page layout is allowed. Use of Comic Life for this type of work is allowed for this month. You get a free trail usage of 30 days.
Good grief...ya don't look at the forums for a few hours and what happens? You get one abstract surrealistic masterwork, a couple of really good lookin' comix pages and somebody's pregnant.
My hardiest and most sincere congratulations, perlk! Not only is it a grand adventure getting one here, but getting them out on their own! My only turns 21 next month. And it only seems like yesterday...
Now can everyone please read the post I made 2 posts above his as well. I am not only a moderator, I am still one of Music's ETOs, and am really trying to help Music keep this challenge alive and well. It is not happening all the time we end up with this sort of discussion within the challenge thread.
Please can everyone remember this is an official challenge. It is accepted, and sometimes sponsored by Daz3D, and we do have rules, despite some people thoughts to the contrary.
We also normally have fun, and this discussion is killing the fun, and upsetting Music and the ETO team.
We all owe a lot to Music, he has kept this challenge going for several years now, and it is one of the longest running challenges on the Daz3d forums.
So please help us to help Music and keep the discussion out of the challenge thread.
THis is something that has never happened before, during the lifetime of the Freebie challenge, and I am not cettain why it is happening now.
I agree with the new rules you added and changed cho, very well put. I have been part of this challenge since the second month it started and find myself not wanting to come in anymore because of all the complaining and constant "but why" comebacks we have been getting in the last few months. And I'm one (not the only one) of the ETO's that keeps watch around here. I can understand if you are having trouble understanding the rules, especially if English isn't your first language. But when given the rules and even in many occasions given the explanation for them many of you are still confused. Maybe you're reading too much into it. This is a simple contest with fairly simple rules (compared to others I've seen) we have more fun than they do as well. Until lately... come on everyone, PLEASE let's lighten the mood around here so that EVERYONE will have a good time and enjoy themselves again. If you don't, you will kill this contest sure as I'm sitting in front of my computer typing.
NOW EVERYONE PLAY NICE OR i HAVE SOME PIES THAT i WILL THROW AT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Created with DAZ Studio 3 and Comic Life 2. Not sure if the rules have been broken, but as for the required freebie from Most Digital Creations, my butt is covered.
The plan was to have only the Adam Thwaites freebies that are permanently available, but several of his short-term "Surprise Gifts" sneaked in. (I have so many that I could do several entries using only them.)
all we need is music now and we can take em all on...
I'm eating pie right now! Give me a break...we can clobber folks later.
Hehehe.
:-P
I can make it a rule if needed. Any content included with a program like Daz,Bryce,Poser,Blender or any other like that, will be automatically labeled a neutral item. It will be allowed to use it if needed, but you can not claim it as a freebie.
I think Oom is just messing with us guys... He can't possibly be serious????? Oom????? HELLOooooooo you are just having fun right??
He must be tired. I think he went to bed. He was not having fun. I think he is aware that there are "general" rules, that most all contests have. Ours has taken four, going on five, years to develope and make it as simple as possible, with basic rules, that anyone can follow. One of those rules is to ask if you are not sure about something. Decissions can be reached most all of the time very easily. This way we can all still have fun and learn at the same time.
To be honest I'm with Oom the lack of written rules means that for anyone new to the competetion its very confusing, I thought that their was a no post wiork rule but it seems that only applies to some post work, layering of images is ok in some instances but not in others. If I could layer images then I could do more, this is a restraint of my technology not neccassarily skill, layering images to get a particular 'toon' effect is ok though.
Sorry but the rules seem all over the place, followed by some but not by others, it leaves a sense of unfairness which is a shame as this looks like a fun competetion.
Layering of a render is not allowed. It must be made by rendering straight from the program used to create it. Layering would be considered postwork yes, also not allowed. The host of each month has the power to bring in and/or alter rules as we know them. It must be posted in the intro for the contest for all to read. In this case, Dollygirl has allowed layering, and some specific postwork allowances.
when you're ready music, I have a whole 2 tables of pies to toss at anyone that needs it. *passes a table to music* here ya go big guy, eat or throw whichever moves you. Glad to see you back finally, we need you to smack a few people around in here (me included), as soon as you finish eating of course.
There was also a patch for MS-DOS that one could run that would return, ummmm, interesting results. Not recommended for use in a workplace. MP/M had a few "nasties" hidden in it.
Oh, heck, it was gawdawful easy to edit command.com to replace the assorted messages. Windows prior to 95 was equally easy while 95 through 98SE took a bit more effort but were still fairly easily customized. I don't know about ME but Win2K and later were based on the NT kernel which was a bit tougher nut to crack. A few folks did but I'd lost interest by that time.
My at-work copies of DOS & Win3.1 (later 3.11) were based on my at-home ones although cleaned up some (read as: significantly). The first time my boss sat down at my machine to do something he got a bit of a surprise - a Kodak Moment sort of surprise. The messages were not what he expected and he just sort of sat there not quite knowing what to do next. Priceless! His boss found out and asked me about my at-home version. After I told him, he asked me for a copy to put on his at-home machine. I knew him and his wife fairly well so made two sets, one a direct copy and another for more ... ummm ... intimate moments ;-P.
Trust me, Krissy, they can. They may not be obvious but they're there. :gulp:
Hey Kludge.. long time no seen :) come here and give a big hug :D
*warm snuggly hugs 'n things best not mentioned in thread or to your other half* ;-)
Oh I read every baing stucj from mine as a middle finger LOL
Heh, heh, heh ... can't imagine why. OTOH, I tend to agree with you on that.
It would be fun if software developers would make some cool error pop ups like " #### you, go draw it yourself" or " Give me a break.. I run 24/7 for you.. I want sleep"
See my message to Kendall for part of the answer.
For the rest: In the code for the H-P 2000E time sharing system - or one release of it - one could find a print to console call that read "[some programmer's name] says this subroutine will never get here." It got there. Several times. It wasn't a failure mode just an unexpected exit that didn't really hurt anything. Some time later, I got to see the source code for it and found all sorts of other little surprises like that. It was a fun read.
Was you referring to me ???? Music is the Boss, I am only part of the team as far as this challenge is concerned. I wear all sorts of different hats. Sometimes I get muddled up and forget which one I am wearing at what time :red:
Yeah, but it's cute when you forget you have any hat on and try to put on another. The elf hat on top of the garden gnome one is kinda cool though ... ;-)
'Bout time, Dorsey! Ain't a freebie contest without you in it. And, as usual, your insanity is working overtime, much to the delight of all. 'Course, I wonder how Mrs Adam feels about all the attention he's getting. ;-)
Cool, thanks. 'Course, Kururu's cute in her own right so ... :)
...............and a valid freebie....... :)
Oh, yeah. And if I ever get brave enough to actually enter one of these things, I just may use her. 'Course then I'd also have to use Coco and Decoco and a few others so she's not lonely. :-)
Oh my :roll: such seriousness. Okay where are the renders? I want to see Bryce renders. I don't know how you Brycers do it. I have been loading up some of the free scenes from Sharecg and dang, little ole DAZ is like tinker toys to the Mindstorm legos of Bryce. Much respect to you all. Still slogging through the User's manual.
Hmmm ... Mindstorm. Never quite got into that even though robotics & process control were my "specialties" on the EE side of my student life. OTOH, Mindflex looks like it could be a really cool thing to play with. :-)
So there are no rules there are just the word of the judge?
Not really.
What it comes down to is this. Yes, there are rules and, yes, some are unwritten. Is it confusing for a beginner? Yep but keep in mind the unwritten rules came about kind of haphazard rather than in any ordered way to answer specific situations. You learn them with time and paying attention to what others do. In time, patterns evolve that make it a lot easier to understand the whys and wherefores of those unwritten rules and how they fit in with the written ones. The bottom line is fair play - ie, a level playing field - and fun.
So there are no rules there are just the word of the judge?
Not really.
What it comes down to is this. Yes, there are rules and, yes, some are unwritten. Is it confusing for a beginner? Yep but keep in mind the unwritten rules came about kind of haphazard rather than in any ordered way to answer specific situations. You learn them with time and paying attention to what others do. In time, patterns evolve that make it a lot easier to understand the whys and wherefores of those unwritten rules and how they fit in with the written ones. The bottom line is fair play - ie, a level playing field - and fun.
Cool?
Well........as you ask.
The real problem with the unwritten rules, as I see it, is that newcomers may feel it is designed to keep them out and the way you describe how they work sort of confirm that. "Here are the rules, there are a few more but they are "secret" and you will have to find out what they are the hard way, like we have."
As for the "level playing field", what scorpio64dragon say (first and last sentence of post #355) is about the same experience I have as new here.
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thanks dlee, well put. we do appreciate everyone trying to help explain the rules, but I agree that too many cooks spoil the broth. But thank you all anyway for trying to help explain the rules.
This is the rule for this month on postwork:
4. Postwork on scenes is limited to insertion of conversation balloons, signatures and borders. If you create a page with multiple scenes then postwork to compile the page layout is allowed. Use of Comic Life for this type of work is allowed for this month. You get a free trail usage of 30 days.
This is on page one, the first post!
Dana
Good grief...ya don't look at the forums for a few hours and what happens? You get one abstract surrealistic masterwork, a couple of really good lookin' comix pages and somebody's pregnant.
My hardiest and most sincere congratulations, perlk! Not only is it a grand adventure getting one here, but getting them out on their own! My only turns 21 next month. And it only seems like yesterday...
I agree with the new rules you added and changed cho, very well put. I have been part of this challenge since the second month it started and find myself not wanting to come in anymore because of all the complaining and constant "but why" comebacks we have been getting in the last few months. And I'm one (not the only one) of the ETO's that keeps watch around here. I can understand if you are having trouble understanding the rules, especially if English isn't your first language. But when given the rules and even in many occasions given the explanation for them many of you are still confused. Maybe you're reading too much into it. This is a simple contest with fairly simple rules (compared to others I've seen) we have more fun than they do as well. Until lately... come on everyone, PLEASE let's lighten the mood around here so that EVERYONE will have a good time and enjoy themselves again. If you don't, you will kill this contest sure as I'm sitting in front of my computer typing.
NOW EVERYONE PLAY NICE OR i HAVE SOME PIES THAT i WILL THROW AT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She has pies and she's not afraid to use them! :bug: :lol:
Dana
hehehehehe.....
come into my room said the spider to the fly.......
hey dlee..... here's a Hershey chocolate creme pie JUST for you....
SPLAT
Holy crap! It's an Adam invasion! The story line about tells his entire biography.
:wow:
I'm eating pie right now! Give me a break...we can clobber folks later.
Hehehe.
:-P
I can make it a rule if needed. Any content included with a program like Daz,Bryce,Poser,Blender or any other like that, will be automatically labeled a neutral item. It will be allowed to use it if needed, but you can not claim it as a freebie.
:-)
...and I was just fixing to eat that one!
:long:
He must be tired. I think he went to bed. He was not having fun. I think he is aware that there are "general" rules, that most all contests have. Ours has taken four, going on five, years to develope and make it as simple as possible, with basic rules, that anyone can follow. One of those rules is to ask if you are not sure about something. Decissions can be reached most all of the time very easily. This way we can all still have fun and learn at the same time.
:smirk:
Layering of a render is not allowed. It must be made by rendering straight from the program used to create it. Layering would be considered postwork yes, also not allowed. The host of each month has the power to bring in and/or alter rules as we know them. It must be posted in the intro for the contest for all to read. In this case, Dollygirl has allowed layering, and some specific postwork allowances.
:-)
when you're ready music, I have a whole 2 tables of pies to toss at anyone that needs it. *passes a table to music* here ya go big guy, eat or throw whichever moves you. Glad to see you back finally, we need you to smack a few people around in here (me included), as soon as you finish eating of course.
But bein' cunt'ry we knows hows to sets 'em 'ere traps 'n snares an' such.
Very true. But the HPD is a bunch of city boys and they make me give 'em back. *sigh*
Oh, heck, it was gawdawful easy to edit command.com to replace the assorted messages. Windows prior to 95 was equally easy while 95 through 98SE took a bit more effort but were still fairly easily customized. I don't know about ME but Win2K and later were based on the NT kernel which was a bit tougher nut to crack. A few folks did but I'd lost interest by that time.
My at-work copies of DOS & Win3.1 (later 3.11) were based on my at-home ones although cleaned up some (read as: significantly). The first time my boss sat down at my machine to do something he got a bit of a surprise - a Kodak Moment sort of surprise. The messages were not what he expected and he just sort of sat there not quite knowing what to do next. Priceless! His boss found out and asked me about my at-home version. After I told him, he asked me for a copy to put on his at-home machine. I knew him and his wife fairly well so made two sets, one a direct copy and another for more ... ummm ... intimate moments ;-P.
Heh, heh, heh ... can't imagine why. OTOH, I tend to agree with you on that.
See my message to Kendall for part of the answer.
For the rest: In the code for the H-P 2000E time sharing system - or one release of it - one could find a print to console call that read "[some programmer's name] says this subroutine will never get here." It got there. Several times. It wasn't a failure mode just an unexpected exit that didn't really hurt anything. Some time later, I got to see the source code for it and found all sorts of other little surprises like that. It was a fun read.
Yeah, but it's cute when you forget you have any hat on and try to put on another. The elf hat on top of the garden gnome one is kinda cool though ... ;-)
'Bout time, Dorsey! Ain't a freebie contest without you in it. And, as usual, your insanity is working overtime, much to the delight of all. 'Course, I wonder how Mrs Adam feels about all the attention he's getting. ;-)
ETOs ... European Theaters of Operation? Extra Terrific (or Terrible) Operatives? Easy To ... hmmm ... O ... dunno - stuck on that one. Open?
Oooh, yummers! Consider it gone ... and my opu significantly larger. ;-)
...............and a valid freebie....... :)
Oh, yeah. And if I ever get brave enough to actually enter one of these things, I just may use her. 'Course then I'd also have to use Coco and Decoco and a few others so she's not lonely. :-)
Hmmm ... Mindstorm. Never quite got into that even though robotics & process control were my "specialties" on the EE side of my student life. OTOH, Mindflex looks like it could be a really cool thing to play with. :-)
Not really.
What it comes down to is this. Yes, there are rules and, yes, some are unwritten. Is it confusing for a beginner? Yep but keep in mind the unwritten rules came about kind of haphazard rather than in any ordered way to answer specific situations. You learn them with time and paying attention to what others do. In time, patterns evolve that make it a lot easier to understand the whys and wherefores of those unwritten rules and how they fit in with the written ones. The bottom line is fair play - ie, a level playing field - and fun.
Cool?
ETOs ... European Theaters of Operation? Extra Terrific (or Terrible) Operatives? Easy To ... hmmm ... O ... dunno - stuck on that one. Open?
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ETO
I hope it is not Excise & Taxation Officer, Earth To Orbit maybe?
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ETO
I hope it is not Excise & Taxation Officer, Earth To Orbit maybe?
Early Termination Option sounds a bit harsh ...
I rather like Evasion Tactics Order or maybe Extended Talking Objective or we could even try to Escape The Others
You know, I really hate it when one of my renders causes problems.
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OK...Let's try this again.
This is a replacement for my first entry that can be found here. http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/3187/P210/
It's the 8th post.
Gotta follow the rules.
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On a cold rainy street.
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Girl:
Maya Doll & Race Queen Rie
Gun holsters page 5 - 2 down on right
45 auto pistol #
Headset #
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Guy:
DAZ model pack - Mike 3
Sci Fi Officer - skin tex & hair #
Long sleeve shirt - 2 down
Paratrooper pants
Boots by mt.55 no link
gloves #
assault rifle #
Goggles #
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Floater bot -> downloads -> top row.
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Scene:
3d alley
Street #
Building #
Street lights #
Old Apartment#
City ** MDC required item
50's Ford truck #
US pickup #
Audi A2 - 6 down
Jeep #
Delivery truck - (spambot warning on site!)
Trash bag
a pile of trash - link?
Flame ** MDC required item
free sky dome & lights from tutorial. #
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Paid item:
DAZ3D Morphing Fantasy Dress for Vicky 3 # - retextured & transmaped
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Poses by me, with a lot of dial tweaking. Mike pose adapted from Aiko SWAT pose. #
# Free site registration required.
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Software used:
Paint Shop Pro 7
Blacksmith 3D Paint (free version)
Rendered in DAZ Studio 2.3
Sections assembled in PSP 7 & added text. (cut & paste only)
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Go Here for big.
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Here is the original art that gave me the idea.
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I'm working on page two right now. :)
Not really.
What it comes down to is this. Yes, there are rules and, yes, some are unwritten. Is it confusing for a beginner? Yep but keep in mind the unwritten rules came about kind of haphazard rather than in any ordered way to answer specific situations. You learn them with time and paying attention to what others do. In time, patterns evolve that make it a lot easier to understand the whys and wherefores of those unwritten rules and how they fit in with the written ones. The bottom line is fair play - ie, a level playing field - and fun.
Cool?
Well........as you ask.
The real problem with the unwritten rules, as I see it, is that newcomers may feel it is designed to keep them out and the way you describe how they work sort of confirm that. "Here are the rules, there are a few more but they are "secret" and you will have to find out what they are the hard way, like we have."
As for the "level playing field", what scorpio64dragon say (first and last sentence of post #355) is about the same experience I have as new here.
Oom
^_^