March Madness 2019

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  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
    edited February 2019

    Okay, I am trying to make sense out of this sale...

    I am not getting a discount on Dante (the only item showing for "Bonus Madness" because my last purchase was on Thursday (four days out). Fine.

    (To be honest, on first read I thought if I bought Dante today I got 70% off on today's purchases, since it says "Get 70% off..." but never says on the items below or the items in section, etc... But this is neither here nor there.)

    Under the "Your Key" section I only show one item, indicating that I have already bought the other two "Key" items, right? So I should have already unlocked the "Extra 10%" off savings, yes?

    That's not what is showing in my cart, unfortunately.

    And, as a side note, the Gift Cards over $200 isn't working either.

    Edited to add:

    Okay, the discounts are working, just not as advertised. I am seeing 57% off on two new items and 19% off on the Giftcard. DAZ math I guess.

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  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 4,971
    edited February 2019
    vwrangler said:
    I see they've fixed things on the page so that some of it is clearer. They do still need to fix the text regarding the Bonus Madness item; that sale can't work that way.

    Can you explain to me what you mean? It does mean the last three days and should be working.

    The issue is the conditions. Both parts have an asterisk on the line, directing you to a statement that says, "Items must be in cart simultaneously for discount to apply."

    You can't have something in the cart if you've already bought it.

    The asterisk says that you should have the item that triggers the discounts on the Bonus Madness items in the cart simultaneously with those Bonus Madness/Your Key items. However, if, for example, I bought Anderson as a new release on Saturday, thus triggering Bonus Discount today, I can't have him in the cart simultaneously with Dante.

    If I already own the Your Key items -- which I do -- I can't have them in the cart simultaneously with a Newly Mad or Mad Artist item. But the asterisk line says that I must have them in the cart simutaneously. They need to clarify all that.

    Basically, they need to get rid of the asterisk for the Bonus Madness item, because it's flat out wrong. The statement "Get 70% OFF when you have bought a New Release from the last three (3) days" -- without asterisk directing you to a condition that does not apply -- is all that's needed.

    For the Your Key-Newly Mad/Mad Artist items, they need to clarify the asterisk line for the Your Key items to say something along the lines of "You must have already purchased these items OR they must be in the cart simultaneously witht he Newly Mad/Mad Artist item to trigger the discount."

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  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,768
    edited February 2019

    I'm sure happy I'm broke ... nothing I've tried seems to get a discount on that dante dude. hmmm ... i missed a better sale yesterday. 
    no to Day #1

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  • I wasn't much on day 1 either.  Of course March hasn't actually happened yet...

  • Okay, I am trying to make sense out of this sale...

    I am not getting a discount on Dante (the only item showing for "Bonus Madness" because my last purchase was on Thursday (four days out). Fine.

    (To be honest, on first read I thought if I bought Dante today I got 70% off on today's purchases, since it says "Get 70% off..." but never says on the items below or the items in section, etc... But this is neither here nor there.)

    Under the "Your Key" section I only show one item, indicating that I have already bought the other two "Key" items, right? So I should have already unlocked the "Extra 10%" off savings, yes?

    That's not what is showing in my cart, unfortunately.

    And, as a side note, the Gift Cards over $200 isn't working either.

    Edited to add:

    Okay, the discounts are working, just not as advertised. I am seeing 57% off on two new items and 19% off on the Giftcard. DAZ math I guess.

    Math maths, actually. They are stacking discounts - so you take 40% or 15% off then take another 10% or 5% off the remainder. That is how successive percentages apply.

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,748

    Okay, the discounts are working, just not as advertised. I am seeing 57% off on two new items and 19% off on the Giftcard. DAZ math I guess.

    It actually works as advertised : "extra 5% off" means that the 5% off discount is taken on the remainder after other discounts are applied, not that for example 50% off becomes 55% off.

    If you get 2 newly mad items and a 200$ GC :

    • 2 newly mad items gives you 15% off the GC, and the "extra 5% off" from the 200$ GC applies on the remainder.
      So you pay (1 - 0.15 ) * (1 - 0.05) = 0.8075 of the GC price, which means a global discount of 19.25% off on the GC.
       
    • 2 newly mad items gives you 50% off them, then there's the "extra 10% off" from the key items applying on the remaining 50%, and the "extra 5% off" from the GC applying on top of that.
      So you pay (1 - 0.50) * (1- 0.10) * (1 - 0.05) = 0.4275 of the full price, which means total discount is 57.25% off for the newly mad items

     

     

  • Leana said:

    Okay, the discounts are working, just not as advertised. I am seeing 57% off on two new items and 19% off on the Giftcard. DAZ math I guess.

    It actually works as advertised : "extra 5% off" means that the 5% off discount is taken on the remainder after other discounts are applied, not that for example 50% off becomes 55% off.

    If you get 2 newly mad items and a 200$ GC :

    • 2 newly mad items gives you 15% off the GC, and the "extra 5% off" from the 200$ GC applies on the remainder.
      So you pay (1 - 0.15 ) * (1 - 0.05) = 0.8075 of the GC price, which means a global discount of 19.25% off on the GC.
       
    • 2 newly mad items gives you 50% off them, then there's the "extra 10% off" from the key items applying on the remaining 50%, and the "extra 5% off" from the GC applying on top of that.
      So you pay (1 - 0.50) * (1- 0.10) * (1 - 0.05) = 0.4275 of the full price, which means total discount is 57.25% off for the newly mad items

     

     

    Okay, thank you for that. I've attached what I was actually seeing and it lines up with what you detailed. I had no idea that the extra 5% sale on the Gift Cards is supposed to also be deducted from the first two items.

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    My usual way of trying to figure out Daz sales:

    If I get a discount - any discount - then, hooray. Otherwise, I don't think about how much it is. I'd have bought the thing anyway. LOL. Otherwise I don't  use brain power trying to mathmetically figure out what the discount is supposed to be (math ain't exactly my thing...lol).

    Laurie

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,271
    edited February 2019
     

    Which means that, in order to get Dante at the lowest price, you would need to buy an item from the Newly Mad Releases today. However, I also agree that the copy needs to change and add that note about new releases from the past three days being purchased BEFORE today. Otherwise, that's false advertising.

    So, the way the Gift Card discount is rigged means it actually rings out at 19% off with the extra 5% for over $200.00 bonus added on.  Which means that even if you cover every single item in the checklist, own all of the key items, and buy two new release items, the BEST discount you will get is 57% off on the new items, 57% off artist Catalog releases, 19% off on a GC, and 80% off on Dante.

    That's not as good as what we get in a normal month.  It's certainly not as good as what we got last month without all the extra qualifications.  And it makes it really, really easy to dump the whole cart out, say forget it and go shop the 70% off sale at Renderosity instead.

    I guess the marketing people got confused and thought that March Madness meant they were supposed to tick their customers off.  indecision

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  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,768
    daveso said:

    I'm sure happy I'm broke ... 

     

    Cybersox said:
     

    Which means that, in order to get Dante at the lowest price, you would need to buy an item from the Newly Mad Releases today. However, I also agree that the copy needs to change and add that note about new releases from the past three days being purchased BEFORE today. Otherwise, that's false advertising.

    So, the way the Gift Card discount is rigged means it actually rings out at 19% off with the extra 5% for over $200.00 bonus added on.  Which means that even if you cover every single item in the checklist, own all of the key items, and buy two new release items, the BEST discount you will get is 57% off on the new items, 57% off artist Catalog releases, 19% off on a GC, and 80% off on Dante.

    That's not as good as what we get in a normal month.  It's certainly not as good as what we got last month without all the extra qualifications.  And it makes it really, really easy to dump the whole cart out, say forget it and go shop the 70% off sale at Renderosity instead.

    I guess the marketing people got confused and thought that March Madness meant they were supposed to tick their customers off.  indecision

    I'm on my way

  • LenioTGLenioTG Posts: 2,118

    Thank you for the info guys/girls!!! :D

    I've already bought a ton of products in the last sales, so I could just be interested in some old clothings/hair/characters/utilities! (I have a ton of converters, so any generation is fine)

    The problem when you use the daily offer, is that it requires you to buy a new release, and they are usually just 30% off!

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,748
    edited February 2019
    Cybersox said:

    That's not as good as what we get in a normal month.

    I agree that discount on back catalog is not that special, but how often to we get 57% off new items on normal months? (I don't count named shapes releases)

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  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    May I ask why Daz likes doing such absurdly complicated sales? Every single time there floods of posts from people just trying to understand what is going on. Then there are technical problems, like those mentioned already, where things don't work like they should. Most of the posts so far are not about "hey look at this great discount here", rather most posts are people having problems, or trying to understand the sale.

    Who really benefits from this confusion?

    Its ok to have fun wacky sales sometimes. But this is every Daz sale, and there is almost always a Daz sale going on. Stacking sales are fine, but it is never just about stacking here. There are so many different variables. There is a bonus for buying something in the past 3 days. There is a gift card deal. There are special items to activate discounts. There are specal items that get special discounts for buying specific items. And might there be another special secret discount that you only see in a colored banner like last year?

    No wonder you often have technical issues, the more complicated something is, the more likely you will have complications!

    Madness indeed.

    I don't think I have the time and energy to do the Daz Math this time around. If I see something nice and useful come along, I might buy it. But I am not going to go out of my way to jump through all the hoops needed just to get the very best discount possible. And I may not buy anything at all.

    Peace.

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,768

    May I ask why Daz likes doing such absurdly complicated sales? Every single time there floods of posts from people just trying to understand what is going on. Then there are technical problems, like those mentioned already, where things don't work like they should. Most of the posts so far are not about "hey look at this great discount here", rather most posts are people having problems, or trying to understand the sale.

    Who really benefits from this confusion?

    Its ok to have fun wacky sales sometimes. But this is every Daz sale, and there is almost always a Daz sale going on. Stacking sales are fine, but it is never just about stacking here. There are so many different variables. There is a bonus for buying something in the past 3 days. There is a gift card deal. There are special items to activate discounts. There are specal items that get special discounts for buying specific items. And might there be another special secret discount that you only see in a colored banner like last year?

    No wonder you often have technical issues, the more complicated something is, the more likely you will have complications!

    Madness indeed.

    I don't think I have the time and energy to do the Daz Math this time around. If I see something nice and useful come along, I might buy it. But I am not going to go out of my way to jump through all the hoops needed just to get the very best discount possible. And I may not buy anything at all.

    Peace.

    i agree. we need to be writing to their sales dept..a support ticket to sales and stating things exactly like this. 

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,271
    Leana said:
    Cybersox said:

    That's not as good as what we get in a normal month.

    I agree that discount on back catalog is not that special, but how often to we get 57% off new items on normal months? (I don't count named shapes releases)

    The thing is, to get to that 57% you have to do just as much as you would get with a named shape release and spend over $200.  Otherwise the base discount is just 40% off for one new release or 50% off for two or more.  

  • limited time new things tend to go down well, you get the excitement of something on sale and the urgency to buy

    PC+ for the day had that effect and took much of my money

    So mad today normal tomorrow offers might be a better strategy 

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    So how do I get a discount on a "Key" item? The only product I'm interested in right now is the dForce Magnets.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,133

    May I ask why Daz likes doing such absurdly complicated sales? Every single time there floods of posts from people just trying to understand what is going on. Then there are technical problems, like those mentioned already, where things don't work like they should. Most of the posts so far are not about "hey look at this great discount here", rather most posts are people having problems, or trying to understand the sale.

    Who really benefits from this confusion?

    Its ok to have fun wacky sales sometimes. But this is every Daz sale, and there is almost always a Daz sale going on. Stacking sales are fine, but it is never just about stacking here. There are so many different variables. There is a bonus for buying something in the past 3 days. There is a gift card deal. There are special items to activate discounts. There are specal items that get special discounts for buying specific items. And might there be another special secret discount that you only see in a colored banner like last year?

    No wonder you often have technical issues, the more complicated something is, the more likely you will have complications!

    Madness indeed.

    I don't think I have the time and energy to do the Daz Math this time around. If I see something nice and useful come along, I might buy it. But I am not going to go out of my way to jump through all the hoops needed just to get the very best discount possible. And I may not buy anything at all.

    Peace.

    Well said, and I agree totally. I hope marketing reads this...

  • When they don't have complicated sales that allow for stacking discounts, people aren't happy with it either.
  • Well... with over a month of active sales-time, there's a chance they could please almost everybody, at least once.  Isn't there...? ;-)

  • Now now guys, they don't need to read anything here.  They just will need to take a look at their sales figures from day one and figure something else in order.  Or not.  But I can't see where day 1 is going to be a raging success.

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,438
    edited February 2019

    ABOUT THE WHOLE DANTE THING... earlier today i ended up not adding him to my cart since he didn't count as a mad new release (cheaper GC), and checked out. but as i'm curious, just before i put him into my cart, and guess what: bam! 70%, i could get him for those 3.98.

    which means AFAIR, TODAY COUNTS IN THE 3 DAYS TO HAVE BOUGHT A NEW RELEASE. but it seems not in the same cart - i.e. shop twice.

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  • Phoenix1966Phoenix1966 Posts: 1,835
    marble said:

    So how do I get a discount on a "Key" item? The only product I'm interested in right now is the dForce Magnets.

    @marble

    You don't. Those are the items that trigger additional discounts. The magnet was released at the end of January and will be flagged as a "new" item for 60 days before there is any discount offered greater than the one when it was originally released (typically 30%)

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,271
    edited February 2019

    May I ask why Daz likes doing such absurdly complicated sales? Every single time there floods of posts from people just trying to understand what is going on. Then there are technical problems, like those mentioned already, where things don't work like they should. Most of the posts so far are not about "hey look at this great discount here", rather most posts are people having problems, or trying to understand the sale.

    Who really benefits from this confusion?

    Well, on the PA side, there are going to be some items that sell much, much better than they would otherwise because people are buying new releases that they might not normally buy just to acheive a spoecific discount, so I guess there's that.  Lord knows, there are a lot of things in my runtimes that I never would have bought at new release pricing if they hadn't been the cheapest thing I could buy in order to qualify for some kind of stacking discount. blush

    Then, on the DAZ employee side, there's the same rationale that's used to re-do perfectly good websites on a regular basis.  The more complex and involved something is, the more manhours of labor are required to implement it, so the more new things, widgets, processes and complications the better, even if everything was functioning perfectly fine.  Ooo, and let's not forget the extra work for customer service.  yes 

    On the customer side... hmmm.... Oh yes, when they screw it up we sometimes get what's called the Glitch Sale where the prices of items briefly drop to crazy stupid levels. DAZ policy is that those sales are valid, so...devil

     

     

     

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  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,748
    Cybersox said:
    Leana said:
    Cybersox said:

    That's not as good as what we get in a normal month.

    I agree that discount on back catalog is not that special, but how often to we get 57% off new items on normal months? (I don't count named shapes releases)

    The thing is, to get to that 57% you have to do just as much as you would get with a named shape release and spend over $200. 

    I agree having to spend 200$ is quite a big requirement.

    Cybersox said:

    Otherwise the base discount is just 40% off for one new release or 50% off for two or more.  

    Which is still better than the usual intro discount of 30%

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    marble said:

    So how do I get a discount on a "Key" item? The only product I'm interested in right now is the dForce Magnets.

    @marble

    You don't. Those are the items that trigger additional discounts. The magnet was released at the end of January and will be flagged as a "new" item for 60 days before there is any discount offered greater than the one when it was originally released (typically 30%)

    Thanks. I'll just have to wait for a sale later in the year then.

  • Tell you all what, Just put everything in the store at 85% off for the month of March.

  • IppotamusIppotamus Posts: 1,580

    Just change the name to:  March Machinations!

    That should fix everything.

    :)

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,438

    Tell you all what, Just put everything in the store at 85% off for the month of March.

    +999'999

  • Midnight_storiesMidnight_stories Posts: 4,112
    edited February 2019

    Tell you all what, Just put everything in the store at 85% off for the month of March.

    No I'm not for that what vendor in they right mind would work for 7.5 % profit after daz takes it's cut. You would have nothing to sell and less item to choose from.

    Unless you really want cheap and nasty, I prefer hight quality myself with more chooses. I've bought a heap this month ! 

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