Eva 8

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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,133

    So DS crashed again, with a different character with Cute Bob Hair in closeup at forum size before I could even render it. And again, this is a 1080ti. 

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,970
    edited December 2018
    JOdel said:

    Huh. There's been a couple of changes in the packaging. Not sure what that was about.

    It's in the Data folder: Instead of everything being in subfolders all under DAZ 3D/Genesis 8/female There's now a DAZStudio folder up at the very top level, where the eyebrows live. And inside the old DAZ 3D folder there's the expected Genesis 8 subfolder *and* an Eva 8 subfolder which holds all of the tattoos.

    So does that mean that the tattoos are not tied specifically to the female mesh? The G8 Female and Male subfolders are inside a different main folder (the DAZ 3D folder) and two levels down. Or that they aren't tied even to G8, since the Genesis 8 subfolder is also a level down inside a different folder (along with the G3 subfolder which uses the same UV set). Or have they just been changing things to be changing things?

    The tattoos are amazing and are, I believe, geoshells (they show up in the Scene Tab) and they're usable on other figures. Here's Eva 8's back wings tattoo on Genesis 8 Male (sorry it's grainy, I stopped it early):

    And here are two of Eva 8's tattoos on Victoria 7 (again, sorry for the graininess, I stopped it early):

    When used with Genesis 3 figures you need to go to the surfaces tab on the geoshell and turn the "eyelashes" surface to zero opacity.

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  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    So DS crashed again, with a different character with Cute Bob Hair in closeup at forum size before I could even render it. And again, this is a 1080ti. 

    Did you restart your PC? Sometimes Daz crashes so bad on my machine that the only fix is to restart 

    Cute Bob Hair is EXTREMELY computer intensive. Slows everything down to a crawl (in close-up, haven’t tried from a distance..) 

    I did a couple of different renders and I believe you're right, the Cute Bob hair is a bit intensive. 

    Here's Eva 8 out of the box (but with her Translucency Low setting) and the Cute Bob Hair - Render Time 22 minutes:

     

    Here's Eva 8 out of the box (but with her Translucency Low setting) and Ichigo Hair - Render Time 4 minutes:

    https://sta.sh/0tpauz9fuk9

     

    I do think the Cute Bob hair looks great though, and if you're not in a hurry, worth the wait, imo. :) I do like both of these hairs though, you can never have enough cute bob hair, imo. lol

     

    What is the translucency set to here? This is the first decent pic I have seen of Eva! If you don't mind, could you do a render that shows off some of her skin detail? Like her hands up by her face? Maybe the high translucency of the promos hides these details, but the promos for Eva are extremely unflattering. She looks almost toonish in some of them, and that is not a good thing.

    Does Eva Eva have large texture maps? Like anything over 10MB, that would suck down some memory and take longer to render. There might be some ways to help with the Bob hair, too. You could hide the viewport before starting a render.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,574

    So DS crashed again, with a different character with Cute Bob Hair in closeup at forum size before I could even render it. And again, this is a 1080ti. 

    How much memory do you have in your machine? If DS is crashing you might be exceeding the main memory, and the presence of a 1080Ti might actually make things worse, since the memory in the 11GB VRAM is mirrored in the main app.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,133
    edited December 2018

    So here is a quick test of Caitlin for Eva 8 who I like a lot! With Luke's jacket. She doesn't render super fast but at a decent normal speed. I think I'm giving up on Cute Bob Hair, at least for closeups... And below is pure Eva with Caitlin Skin which I think looks a lot better than her own skin...

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  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,970

    So DS crashed again, with a different character with Cute Bob Hair in closeup at forum size before I could even render it. And again, this is a 1080ti. 

    Did you restart your PC? Sometimes Daz crashes so bad on my machine that the only fix is to restart 

    Cute Bob Hair is EXTREMELY computer intensive. Slows everything down to a crawl (in close-up, haven’t tried from a distance..) 

    I did a couple of different renders and I believe you're right, the Cute Bob hair is a bit intensive. 

    Here's Eva 8 out of the box (but with her Translucency Low setting) and the Cute Bob Hair - Render Time 22 minutes:

     

    Here's Eva 8 out of the box (but with her Translucency Low setting) and Ichigo Hair - Render Time 4 minutes:

    https://sta.sh/0tpauz9fuk9

     

    I do think the Cute Bob hair looks great though, and if you're not in a hurry, worth the wait, imo. :) I do like both of these hairs though, you can never have enough cute bob hair, imo. lol

     

    What is the translucency set to here? This is the first decent pic I have seen of Eva! If you don't mind, could you do a render that shows off some of her skin detail? Like her hands up by her face? Maybe the high translucency of the promos hides these details, but the promos for Eva are extremely unflattering. She looks almost toonish in some of them, and that is not a good thing.

    Does Eva Eva have large texture maps? Like anything over 10MB, that would suck down some memory and take longer to render. There might be some ways to help with the Bob hair, too. You could hide the viewport before starting a render.

    I used her "Translucency Low" setting which is a Translucency Weight of .60 (her default is .90). Most of her maps look to run around 5-8 MB (which I think is normal for most G8 characters).

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,970
    edited December 2018

    Looks like you can even use Eva 8's tattoos on Genesis 2 characters. Here's one of her tats on G2F Victoria 6:

    You just have to select the tattoo in the Scene Tab then go to the Surfaces Tab for the tattoo and turn the opacity to zero.

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  • jedijuddjedijudd Posts: 606

    Anyone know the yellowish outfit of her main promo

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,741
    edited December 2018
    jedijudd said:

    Anyone know the yellowish outfit of her main promo

    looks like it might be one of Aeon Soul's outfits- the bra top looks like the one from the Proxy outfit

     

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  • So here is a quick test of Caitlin for Eva 8 who I like a lot! With Luke's jacket. She doesn't render super fast but at a decent normal speed. I think I'm giving up on Cute Bob Hair, at least for closeups... And below is pure Eva with Caitlin Skin which I think looks a lot better than her own skin...

    Nice render. Which hair did you use?

  • Eva was taking too long so I stopped early.  Also needed to add some lights to her eyes.  Overall, nice skin and I really love her shape. Eva had a wardrobe malfunction with her panties so had to do a crop job

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  • So here is a quick test of Caitlin for Eva 8 who I like a lot! With Luke's jacket. She doesn't render super fast but at a decent normal speed. I think I'm giving up on Cute Bob Hair, at least for closeups... And below is pure Eva with Caitlin Skin which I think looks a lot better than her own skin...

    Love the eyes, really nice @wonderland

  • Cute Bob Hair is EXTREMELY computer intensive. Slows everything down to a crawl (in close-up, haven’t tried from a distance..) 

    I did a couple of different renders and I believe you're right, the Cute Bob hair is a bit intensive. 

    Here's Eva 8 out of the box (but with her Translucency Low setting) and the Cute Bob Hair - Render Time 22 minutes:

     

    Here's Eva 8 out of the box (but with her Translucency Low setting) and Ichigo Hair - Render Time 4 minutes:

    https://sta.sh/0tpauz9fuk9

     

    I do think the Cute Bob hair looks great though, and if you're not in a hurry, worth the wait, imo. :) I do like both of these hairs though, you can never have enough cute bob hair, imo. lol

    Very lovely @divamakeup  Is this an altern8 formula?

  • evacynevacyn Posts: 989

    Was planning on passing on this one, but looking at all of the great renders has made me rethink my decision. Not to mention I have some extra store credit to spend :) 

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,133
    edited December 2018

    Thanks @ALLIEKATBLUE

    I'm really starting to like her and I'm probably the only one who likes her "orange" skin, but to me it gives her a nice tan glow, I like it! I'm really wondering if living in sunny LA has to do with it, but I much prefer it to some of the ashier/bluish skin I've seen on a few other characters or with some shaders.

    Here is a partial screenshot of a render in progress with her skin with lips from the free makeup pack and a bit of the P3D morphs and the Advent Dress. So far I'm happy with everything except the Cute Bob Hair which I really think should be fixed. That hair should not crash DS on a computer with a 1080ti in close-up. I may try it at a farther distance, but for that I could use any similar hair. I really hope it can be fixed to work on closeups...

    Oh and the pose is just a bit altered from one of the pose packs in the bundle.

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  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    I'm curious Wonderland what your specs are, CPU and RAM. I have a 1080ti as well. Daz doesn't crash too often for me, most of my crashes are due to dforce explosions.

    Maybe it is LA. California is like a different country compared to most states, LOL. My big issue with the orange is that it seems to mask the texture detail, which makes it look less realistic and more waxy. Your renders haven't been as extreme as the promos, though.

    But I definitely prefer the lowered translucency renders. The skin looks less noisy and grainy as well.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,133

    Eva was taking too long so I stopped early.  Also needed to add some lights to her eyes.  Overall, nice skin and I really love her shape. Eva had a wardrobe malfunction with her panties so had to do a crop job

    Nice! I’ve noticed that some lights look great in her eyes and others do nothing. But this can easily be corrected in post. I’ve also noticed that she can look totally different in each render unlike V7 who looked pretty much the same (but beautiful!) no matter who rendered her...

  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057
    edited December 2018

    Yeah, I'll pull the trigger on this one.  I SHOULD just dump it from my cart due to the 'outfits with heel' fetish that PAs seem to have, but I guess Daz has to keep the 'heeled shoes' ratio for women above 80%.  'Cuz you know that women back in medieval times all wore heels... (NOT!).

    I definitely appreciate the offer the sales team came up with!  At least for me, there were a couple of G3 pro bundles that I still didn't have that appeal to me, and the extgra 10% off since I've been a loyal Genesis 8 customer, plus the loyalty holiday discount, it's enough for me this time.  Unlike Lee 8...

    There have been better offers with a few G8 pro bundles, but this one wasn't too shabby.

    If Lee 8 had been part of the Genesis 8 Pro Bundle offerings in the Eva 8 sale, that would have been nice, but yeah I get that he's still new, so that wasn't going to happen... I'll just be patient.

    Treasa HD looks rather nice.  And familiar somehow.  Does anyone see a resemblance to some famous person?

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  • Hello Everyone! Here is my usual test for all of the main characters that came with Eva 8. You can find the large version here: https://www.deviantart.com/renderguyny/art/Eva-8-Test-Large-775409370

    Here is my basic pic:

  • Here's Era, she looks really angry but she's not - just being fierce. For real though, very hard to make her not look like she wants to set you on fire with her eyes.

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  • I bought the Eva bundle even though I'm not excited by her look, per say, because I don't have a lot of the other bundles and the stuff that came with her, plus some add-ons, and two Gen 3 bundles I really like, as well as Teen Josie really ended up being an awesome price.  I feel guilty spending money on any of it when I am so busy a lot of the time (and don't have an Nvidia Graphics Card :( ) but my willpower has disappeared this month... ha!

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,133

    I'm curious Wonderland what your specs are, CPU and RAM. I have a 1080ti as well. Daz doesn't crash too often for me, most of my crashes are due to dforce explosions.

    Maybe it is LA. California is like a different country compared to most states, LOL. My big issue with the orange is that it seems to mask the texture detail, which makes it look less realistic and more waxy. Your renders haven't been as extreme as the promos, though.

    But I definitely prefer the lowered translucency renders. The skin looks less noisy and grainy as well.

    I tried lowering the translucency but I didn’t like the result. It looked too pale and the bump was too strong for closeups. I kind of like her as a slightly ethnic, a golden tan color or “orange” as some people see her. I agree the promo pics look too waxy. I always do postwork anyway, so these straight renders are just tests or preliminary renders. Also, I lowered it manually, didn’t use the presets which may look better than what I attempted.

    It was the Cute Bob Hair in closeup that crashed DS, not Eva. I only have 16 GB RAM on my Windows machine, so that could maybe be the problem but that hair was the first product that consistently crashed DS for me. Did you try rendering it in a closeup? 

    Also, re: realism... All magazine photos are airbrushed and everyone fixes up their selfies these days and every woman I know uses foundation and products to reduce wrinkles and flaws so you rarely see things like pores in photos or in real life on women here. And, of course, this could be an LA thing. Fake tans, fillers, dermabrasion, Botox, high end facial products, laser, needling, collagen, hyalronic acid.... We may have a different “reality” than most people but it’s what's in movies and TV... Have you ever seen Sandra Bullock’s skin? Flawless! I’ve seen many celebrities in person and they look even better than they do in movies or TV. For male or older characters, I like more pores or wrinkles, but I like the women pretty perfect (but not waxy!) I may be the only one who likes Eva’s skin but I do (but not in the promos!)

    We also have Christmas decorations and lights on palm trees and fake snow and even a plastic ice skating rink here so realism is not really a thing in LA LOL. wink

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,133

    Here's Era, she looks really angry but she's not - just being fierce. For real though, very hard to make her not look like she wants to set you on fire with her eyes.

    Beautiful render! Yeah, I couldn’t get a good smile on her either. Maybe she’s meant to be a badass..

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,133
    edited December 2018

    I personally don't like straight renders as a final art piece so this is going to get a lot of postwork if I use it for anything, (and I didn't do anything creative with lighting, just a HDRI) but I really do like her skin! Her expressions, for me, were easier to do as angry or sad, I couldn't easily get a good smile that I liked, but I have other characters for that. I wasn't sure at first about her, but I do like her, orange skin and all!

    Played with postwork on my iPad. Yeah, I know, now she’s REALLY orange, but I tend to do oversaturated art. Not final, just playing... laugh

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited December 2018

    So DS crashed again, with a different character with Cute Bob Hair in closeup at forum size before I could even render it. And again, this is a 1080ti. 

    It is a bit more resource intensive than other hair I guess, but it's worth it. Here it is on Benita, rendered in about 35 minutes on a desktop with a 6gig 980 and 64 gigs of system ram. It has not so far slowed down my viewport or crashed DS.

    Laurie

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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,133
    AllenArt said:

    So DS crashed again, with a different character with Cute Bob Hair in closeup at forum size before I could even render it. And again, this is a 1080ti. 

    It is a bit more resource intensive than other hair I guess, but it's worth it. Here it is on Benita, rendered in about 35 minutes on a desktop with a 6gig 980 and 64 gigs of system ram. It has not so far slowed down my viewport or crashed DS.

    Laurie

    Wow, looks great. The two times I tried it, it crashed DS. It must be a RAM issue rather than graphics card issue, since I only have 16GB RAM. I wonder if I missed the window to get a good deal on RAM...

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,324
    jedijudd said:

    Anyone know the yellowish outfit of her main promo

    @jedijudd Tactical Assault Outfit with added textures.

    Eva 8 in Vendor, Daz Originals,  3D Models by Daz 3D

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    edited December 2018
    AllenArt said:

    So DS crashed again, with a different character with Cute Bob Hair in closeup at forum size before I could even render it. And again, this is a 1080ti. 

    It is a bit more resource intensive than other hair I guess, but it's worth it. Here it is on Benita, rendered in about 35 minutes on a desktop with a 6gig 980 and 64 gigs of system ram. It has not so far slowed down my viewport or crashed DS.

    Laurie

    Wow, looks great. The two times I tried it, it crashed DS. It must be a RAM issue rather than graphics card issue, since I only have 16GB RAM. I wonder if I missed the window to get a good deal on RAM...

    My experience is the same as Laurie's; Resource intensive, slow rendering, but no crashes. I have an 8GB GTX1080 and 64GB of system RAM. (I doubled it back when Catalyzer was first released and crashing my system for lack of memory.) But man, that hair looks so good. It actually looks like hair!

    @Wonderland, take a look at this thread on windows page files. If you increase the size of the page file, you may be able to render the hair without crashing. I'd recommend you increase your system RAM if you can, though. The page file works like an extension to RAM, but when you have to use it, things slow down a lot.


    I gave up on doing any quick renders with the Bob, I used OOT's Rose Hair instead. Here's one of Eva 8, wearing the City Seduction Outfit and using a pose from the Fiery and Coy set included in the Pro Bundle. I used the timeline to dforce the pants. The white body suit is from vyktohria's Sexy Skinz - Modesty. It's applied to a geoshell, so I set the geoshell as the Collision Item and used the included morphs to adjust the glutes. It was a perfect fit without the bodysuit. I applied the Eva 8 Translucency Low setting via the icons, and Normals are On.

    The image links to the full-size, 2k x 2.6k image.

    Eva With Rose Hair at 500 Samples, by L'Adair  

    That's just a cylinder primitive with excessive polys and subD to get the rounding. The background is the Studio Drapes set from esha, with the Iray Uber Base applied.


    And for a laugh… after the daily changeover at Daz Midnight, the Purple Banner suddenly started showing up for me. About 24 hours after I bought Eva 8.

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  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    yeah, same for wonderland and I. Purple banner turned up just now. And now I can't figure out if i DID get the extra 10% when I checked out.  

    L'Adair said:
    AllenArt said:

     


    And for a laugh… after the daily changeover at Daz Midnight, the Purple Banner suddenly started showing up for me. About 24 hours after I bought Eva 8.

     

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    I haven't used the Bob hair, but I have used some resource heavy hairs like dforce hairs. I've actually had fewer crashes recently with the 1080ti. Most of the time when I do crash, it is 1 of 2 things, dforce and my secondary GPU runs just a tiny bit over its limit (970 4gb.) For a scene like that, disabling the 970 fixes it. Its strange because when a scene is way over the 970's limit I have no issue, the 970 drops out properly and the 1080ti renders. Its only when the scene is right at the 970 max that it happens. I don't think I've had much of an issue running 16gb. I'm sure it doesn't hurt to have more. Good news is that RAM prices are falling now. They might keep falling. RAM is also one of the few PC products NOT on the January 1 tariff list, so RAM will not be effected by the tariffs.
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