RIP Men Content

Serene Night

With men’s clothing I’m content with conforming outfits.  If it’s a toga yeah it needs dforce but for jeans and a shirt I prefer conforming. In most cases dforce doesn’t really add much for me and it seems  more expensive and less realistic in appearance on the male clothing.

For those using md or wanting to try it they have md avatars for Genesis 8 male and female at renderhub as a free download.

 

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I recall a similar threads many a year ago when K4 came out. K4 was one of the most disappointing releases, imo. Not that it was horrible but that it could have been so much better.

The horrible thing about that thread was someone in authority posted no more child characters could be expected ?! And the reason given was revenue generation.

I am glad things did not evovle that way.

I undestand the frustration of the OP, for G3M there is very little in the way of a good casual selection. "Just a man" looked good but no other textures were released. Too bad.

But creations are motivated by sales. So, I understand and make do. But you never know when a new creator with an obsession and passion for what you are looking for will appear and have awesome content.

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Stonemason said:

thanks Grinch :)

 

 

btw,this female v's male thing and how there is an apparent lack of male content,I just see it as a reflection of the real world..I know my partner has way more clothes than I have

Yep, in the real world I have 1 pair of shoes that last 18 months until they literally fall off my feet and still I am not really interested in going shoe shopping. But how many pairs of women's shoes are in the closet ? I own 8 pairs of the same style blue jeans and one pair of cargo pants. A couple baseball caps and a bunch of novelty t-shirts and some blue polo shirts.

Mistara

we goin back to empty syndrome?

unless this the female of the species .  the  beast hd g8 looks empty too

 

Serene Night

Male monsters seem exempt from the 'male content doesn't sell rule.'

At least Beast has Anatomical Elements. Just... Noting that for a friend. =-)

BadKittehCo

Here are some actual figures. Axoran demon outfit i just made for males, Which trended at number one briefly, so far sold 114 pieces, and i made $1089 dollars on it so far. It took a month of full time work to make. The intro sale for it is almost over, so it's sales are now going to drop to maybe 5 to 10 pieces a month. This means that this month I have made barely half of what you get our of a minimum wage job, from this set. Us Federal poverty income level is around $1300 dollars a month. I actually just qualified for 100% public assistance (for health insurance) with my DAZ income. Another thing, somebody mentioned conversions from female to male. Daz often doesn't take conversions. They might from time to time and they evaluate it on a case by case basis so if you make a conversion you may end up with no product altogether. You don't always get a chance to ask before you make it. Conversions take about 75% of the initial Product, to make them to a store acceptable level. If an original piece took a month to make, a conversion will take you about 3 weeks. This is for something that may or may not end up in a store. When Your earnings are pretty slim to start with you can't afford to risk taking that big of a hit.

Serene Night

Sorry to hear you didn’t make a good initial sale on that set. 

I always wonder about sale figures for demon content. There seems to be a fair amount but I don’t see many renders. It seems fairly niche type item. 

 

 

Richard Haseltine

SickleYield said:

Muscleman said:

mal3Imagery said:

FSMCDesigns said:

mal3Imagery said:

I can make any kind of men clothing, just that DAZ rigging system is very unintuitive for me :( Weight system is horrid. 

That sucks because I REALLY want to purchase that military uniform you keep showing off!

Very unfortunately :(  I love to be able to sell all my men clothing.  I would be thrilled if a PA who knows JCM and rigging and the weighting system to teach me :)

These Cloths are awsome, If they caem to DAZ, I'm sure they sell really well.

We all would like to have them; they're gorgeous.  Unfortunately dForce flat won't do thick or stiffer fabrics correctly (yet, I hope updates will add more functionality).

The advice I've seen for stiffer fabrics is, if possible, use lower resolution mesh and give the simulation more iterations, ciompared to a thinner fabric, to dissipate the energy.

BadKittehCo

It didn't fail or underperform. It trended no. 1 for a day, and overall, it had rather good sales and rankings, especially for a male set. It is not suffering from niche sales, this is what is actually considered good sales today. This is just the reality of being a vendor, we are not making a ton of money, except for maybe 3 to 5 super popular vendors, a d an occasionsl mega hit.

Serene Night

I honestly don't know many artists who do make a lot of money. That's the reality of the art world.

But over time, it will make more, which is better than many artists will do off a of a single work.

The Blurst of Times

Serene Night said:

Male monsters seem exempt from the 'male content doesn't sell rule.'

At least Beast has Anatomical Elements. Just... Noting that for a friend. =-)

Yeah. I also picked up on the Anatomical Elements textures being included. You know, for completeness' sake and all that.

Sexy time does sell.

There's a wider range of use for male models, I think, whereas females tend to be in a more narrow supermodel range.

I'd imagine that RawArt's Male/Female product ratio is skewed opposite of the clothing debate because of the interest in male shape variety and the relative lack of interest in different female shapes.

Sexy is almost always going to work, though. It's our nature.

Serene Night

I have theories why male monsters sell well, but its unlikely to be forum-friendly. Needless to say, I think the Beast looks good, and he offers options, like body hair, and scars which I can use for other figures as well. Versatility is important for male content.

The only downside to buying today is I can't find any content in the freebie offering for Victoria that I may actually use. The V8 birthday deal isn't as good as a deal as it has been.

BadKittehCo

I'm sharing this so people would know why there is so little content on things that sell even slightly less than mainstream. As you said yourself, reality of att world is that money is very slim, so when you ask people to make thingd that make them even less money, a huge number of artists will drop off, because they are already struggling. For example, grinch mentioned a 20% difference between male and female in freebie downloads. When you are on the brink, 20% is a huge hit. We're not talking about, oh, I'll have to eat out less or not buy a next toy. You're talking about paying versus not paying rent. Also, what happens When people harshly criticize lack of certain content but yet they do not show up buying it in order for a vendor to continue doing it, it creates quite bit of ill will among vendors who took a risk, and chances of them taking a risk again are very slim. There is very little community support rallying around vendors who do make male stuff. Usually you get, oh, nice that's not what i wanted, it's a niche product, blah blah... and then more complaints. It makes the vendor go well excuse the fk out of me for even trying. I'll go back to making stuff that actually pays bills, and where you feel a bit more appreciated.

BeeMKay

Serene Night said:

I have theories why male monsters sell well, but its unlikely to be forum-friendly. Needless to say, I think the Beast looks good, and he offers options, like body hair, and scars which I can use for other figures as well. Versatility is important for male content.

The only downside to buying today is I can't find any content in the freebie offering for Victoria that I may actually use. The V8 birthday deal isn't as good as a deal as it has been.

Well, I didn't get any freebie, but... Got 80% off of G2 content, no new-thing purchse required. I got quite a few things off of my wishlist. :-)

DaWaterRat

I'm sorry that hearing that what you made isn't something people can use.  But with that armor, for me personally, that's the case.

What I need is more variety in Fantasy wear in terms of cultural inspiration.  I'm not going to buy spiky strappy armor that I can't see myself ever using in any render - no matter how well made or how awesome it is - in hopes that a vendor might make something Fantasy inspired by ... let's go with ancient Ethiopia, or pre-colonial Uganda, or heck, Zinj (which, yes, was fictional.  Seriously, after Black Panther, where is all the Afro-Futurisim inspired stuff?)  Espeically when I know that what I want won't sell anyway (or at least won't sell enough), so my purchase of something I don't need and don't see myself using won't even help get what I do want made.

Now, for contemporary men's clothes... while I'd love some good dress uniforms what I really want there are just more textures for what's already out there.  Texture making is one of my real weak points (If I can't do it with a bucket fill and clip art, I'm probably not going to get it done.)

Josh Crockett

Let's get down to brass tax here. How many male stand-ins do we need for 3D porn? Not many. One weiner is as good as another right? Sexy female figures sells because that's WHAT SELLS. It's not a difficult equation to figure out folks. LOL

This is economics at its best. Simple supply and demand. 

AllenArt

I always considered the niche products of Daz Studio/Poser content creation was something that really couldn't or maybe shouldn't be the only income one has. One wouldn't be able to create as many things as they do if they did it full time, but then at least one wouldn't need to quit the day job. Going thru this very thing with my own son right now. He's an artist (mixed medium) and he's good - very good - but it's not enough to put food on the table or a roof over his head and he can't afford not to have a reliable job on the side. He thinks that sucks, and it does, but, it is what it is. I don't know how full time PAs make it at all to be honest without having something else to top off the income.

Laurie

Serene Night

 

Josh Crockett said:

Let's get down to brass tax here. How many male stand-ins do we need for 3D porn? Not many. One weiner is as good as another right?

Well, no... I Can honeslty say no all weiners aren't equal. Especially not the ones sold here....

 Then again, I know I'm definitely not a DAZ core buyer. =-)

And, I have never illustrated a sexy female figure, or a female figure in a sexual situation....Ever. =-)  

 

The Blurst of Times

BadKittehCo said:

There is very little community support rallying around vendors who do make male stuff. Usually you get, oh, nice that's not what i wanted, it's a niche product, blah blah... and then more complaints. It makes the vendor go well excuse the fk out of me for even trying. I'll go back to making stuff that actually pays bills, and where you feel a bit more appreciated.

You do good work.

It's a pain in the rear to have to care about what people say (and what they buy isn't the same as what people say they'll buy).
The silent majority wants more skimpwear, especially for females but also for males (a couple undress morphs go a long way).

Maybe it's because I've worked in customer service, but 95% of complaints are trash, anyway.

I can say that I want updated Napoleonic War uniforms (and Georgian & Regency outfits, not Victorian or Edwardian), but that's a niche interest, even if the Jane Austen fans could use Regency fashion as well. All the little details in a Hussar's outfit that can vary widely across nationalities, for instance. it would be annoying to try to sell a detailed uniform and field all the complaints about it. Napoleonic era stuff would be toxic. 

I can totally understand why someone would hesitate to sell a modern US Marine's dress uniform.
"That belt is 0.5 cm too wide, and the campaign pins are totally incorrect!"

Josh Crockett said:

Let's get down to brass tax here. How many male stand-ins do we need for 3D porn? Not many. One weiner is as good as another right? Sexy female figures sells because that's WHAT SELLS. It's not a difficult equation to figure out folks. LOL

This is economics at its best. Simple supply and demand. 

I encourage and support good weiners in the market. More and diverse kinds of weiners = good. Even if it doesn't have a weiner texture, I'll occasionally try to figure out how to put a weiner on it. 

I can only laugh when a complaint thread about sexy outfits pops up.

Even when you point out the wealth of full coverage outfits and armors in the store, people are unsatisfied and have their complaints about what vendors/PAs are trying to sell.

Mistara

Josh Crockett said:

Let's get down to brass tax here. How many male stand-ins do we need for 3D porn? Not many. One weiner is as good as another right? Sexy female figures sells because that's WHAT SELLS. It's not a difficult equation to figure out folks. LOL

This is economics at its best. Simple supply and demand. 

 

actually, want  of male standins variety is forcing me towards monaters as standins  

Serene Night

BadKittehCo said:

I'm sharing this so people would know why there is so little content on things that sell even slightly less than mainstream. As you said yourself, reality of att world is that money is very slim, so when you ask people to make thingd that make them even less money, a huge number of artists will drop off, because they are already struggling. For example, grinch mentioned a 20% difference between male and female in freebie downloads. When you are on the brink, 20% is a huge hit. We're not talking about, oh, I'll have to eat out less or not buy a next toy. You're talking about paying versus not paying rent. Also, what happens When people harshly criticize lack of certain content but yet they do not show up buying it in order for a vendor to continue doing it, it creates quite bit of ill will among vendors who took a risk, and chances of them taking a risk again are very slim. There is very little community support rallying around vendors who do make male stuff. Usually you get, oh, nice that's not what i wanted, it's a niche product, blah blah... and then more complaints. It makes the vendor go well excuse the fk out of me for even trying. I'll go back to making stuff that actually pays bills, and where you feel a bit more appreciated.

BadKittehCo said:

 

I think a lot jobs carry a component of unappreciation. That's life in my field as well.

You just have to determine for yourself whether the rewards for you are worth it. You say the sales for your product are good- then that should tell you something about people liking your stuff.  I don't think you should be at all discouraged if you made a product in this difficult to sell market and made a success of it. That seems to show that you have the skills and you are appreciated if anything

Male-M3dia

Serene Night said:

BadKittehCo said:

I'm sharing this so people would know why there is so little content on things that sell even slightly less than mainstream. As you said yourself, reality of att world is that money is very slim, so when you ask people to make thingd that make them even less money, a huge number of artists will drop off, because they are already struggling. For example, grinch mentioned a 20% difference between male and female in freebie downloads. When you are on the brink, 20% is a huge hit. We're not talking about, oh, I'll have to eat out less or not buy a next toy. You're talking about paying versus not paying rent. Also, what happens When people harshly criticize lack of certain content but yet they do not show up buying it in order for a vendor to continue doing it, it creates quite bit of ill will among vendors who took a risk, and chances of them taking a risk again are very slim. There is very little community support rallying around vendors who do make male stuff. Usually you get, oh, nice that's not what i wanted, it's a niche product, blah blah... and then more complaints. It makes the vendor go well excuse the fk out of me for even trying. I'll go back to making stuff that actually pays bills, and where you feel a bit more appreciated.

BadKittehCo said:

 

I think a lot jobs carry a component of unappreciation. That's life in my field as well.

You just have to determine for yourself whether the rewards for you are worth it. You say the sales for your product are good- then that should tell you something about people liking your stuff.  I don't think you should be at all discouraged if you made a product in this difficult to sell market and made a success of it. That seems to show that you have the skills and you are appreciated if anything

Big distinction:

PAs don't have to make or do a particular thing, unlike a regular job. So if there's situation where people beg for a thing yet run those that try into the ground, they can go on to something else while those people still beg for it. So no PAs don't have to work unappreciated to a particular thing to earn their coins.

Robert Freise

Midnight_stories said:

Working on a male one now !

Nice

Serene Night

 

Serene Night said:

I have theories why male monsters sell well, but its unlikely to be forum-friendly. Needless to say, I think the Beast looks good, and he offers options, like body hair, and scars which I can use for other figures as well. Versatility is important for male content.

The only downside to buying today is I can't find any content in the freebie offering for Victoria that I may actually use. The V8 birthday deal isn't as good as a deal as it has been.

Well, I didn't get any freebie, but... Got 80% off of G2 content, no new-thing purchse required. I got quite a few things off of my wishlist. :-)

Todays sale offers 2 free daz originals with purchase. https://www.daz3d.com/06-30-saturday-final-weekend#freeDaz

Griffin Avid

The only Daz Originals I'm seeing is all women. lol Oh wait, Victoria Anniversary Sale....that makes sense....nevermind

Well, the key thing is - as mentioned by others - like EVERY ASPECT of art, to make money you need a huge library and a consistent output.

That creates the opening hurdle and obviously a bar that says you can't do (almost) anything artsy-fartsy for a living right off the bat.

-- Sad that this is all going so badly....

See now, when my comic character Kojin did this flip, he almost hurt himself because his pants were so tight. 

That is a Stonemason ladies pair of pants on a male. That's what it's come to.

There are real-fantasy-world consquences for the lack of male clothes.

I hope this serves as a lesson to all concerned.

Serene Night

Have you tried the texture expansion for the stonemason set? Some nice options in that.

As far as the bonus items... I did buy some v4 clothing. And what I thought was kitchen appliances..... But turned out to be kitchen appliance poses... Arggh... Well... I need new glasses apparently. Now I have to find those Dream Home Kitchen appliances. That microwave and refrigerator look great and they open!

I don't mind women's wear if it fits. I just bought a women's set at Rendo which has a great shirt. I wasn't able to get the capris pants and high heels to rock, but the shirt looks good. Tons of morphs and adjustments. I don't care if its for women if it fits... The buttons are on the wrong side though.

BeeMKay

Serene Night said:

 

Serene Night said:

I have theories why male monsters sell well, but its unlikely to be forum-friendly. Needless to say, I think the Beast looks good, and he offers options, like body hair, and scars which I can use for other figures as well. Versatility is important for male content.

The only downside to buying today is I can't find any content in the freebie offering for Victoria that I may actually use. The V8 birthday deal isn't as good as a deal as it has been.

Well, I didn't get any freebie, but... Got 80% off of G2 content, no new-thing purchse required. I got quite a few things off of my wishlist. :-)

Todays sale offers 2 free daz originals with purchase. https://www.daz3d.com/06-30-saturday-final-weekend#freeDaz

Yes, all V4. I don't need anything of these freebies with purchase, already have what I want.

3anson

ForbiddenWhispers and David Brennan did a 'standalone' set of kitchen appliances for the PC, @ Serene Night   https://www.daz3d.com/northern-terrace-kitchen-white-goods

Anna normally has the individual props load at 0.0.0 

 

Griffin Avid

I grabbed a bunch of V4 figures which is why I'm battling that dang GenX scripter again.

Mistara

Provocateur couture dishabille pour l'homme