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Ben_12
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You will be missed. xxxx-2018
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Working on a male one now !
I'm sure there will be more male products coming out.
But will it/they be at the quality of the women's clothes?
I'd post the examples, but I don't want to insult anybody.
Let's see, women get, about 3 different (incredible) biker jackets and pants, actually four new mega-products.....
And men are getting variations of nerd-sweaters and some real weak gear.
More so, I'm wondering what happened.
Daz has A LOT of niche (older) products. So, you can't say products are driven by sales and popularity- because, if dared by a Mod, I would love to link to all the goofy products in the store THAT I KNOW ARE NOT MAJOR SELLERS. Stop playing. lol
So what happened to the economics- so that a wide variety of interests can no longer be catered to?
You have skillful staff PAs that create Daz Originals. Pay them an awesome salary and let them get creative and offer more variety, not based on sales, but based on the idea that Daz customers deserve a varied store selection. Please.
Yeah, while women may be the biggest sellers Daz knows we need males as well for scenes
Why do I doubt you. Probably going to be another 5 variations of d force LONG DRESSES for women again lol.
PA's make products that stand a chance of giving a decent return on their time and effort they put into them. That is just the way things are, it is not going to change.
Convince customers to buy more male content.
I know that, hence I made this satire post.
I have admit my last one the Male did outsell the Female for the first time, so that a good sign !!!
Oh, I like!! :)
I do buy as much as I can support vendors who make male content here and elsewhere. I too attempt to make male freebie content and I support pas who make male content on patreon. My thread features male content most of the time.
I can’t afford unfortunately to purchase every male release.
So I avoid repeat style characters and muscle flexing poses, Mohawk haircuts and short outfits. I’m not into goblins trolls or demons or toons. So those products would never use because I do have enough of them.
It's the disaease of modern commercialism.
Down with boys! I mean uh yeah poor fellas need more skimpwear and bikinis ;) Kidding aside we are working on a few boy/girl sets so hopefully they dont drag out too long XD
I try to buy as many male items as I possibly can. I do buy for the female, but on a scale probably half as what I buy for the gents. Reason being I already HAVE gobs and gobs of female stuff. What I need is male stuff and the amount I have as compared to females doesn't even come close. While I hear all the time "female stuff is what sells" there is also the fact that in every good thing, there can be too much ;). The market is flooded with female items. Maybe after all this time, it's the mens turn to shine :P Perhaps male things don't sell because the same THINGS are being made for males over and over. While I love male casual clothes, I can only use so many sweater and slack sets, loafers, tee shirts, etc. That's why my favorite PAs for male things don't tend to make things like that - Midnight_stories, Luthbel, smay, Josh Crocket, etc. I hate to name names, but I just wanted to let those PAs know I love em and I love their stuff :P
Laurie
Convince customers to buy more male content.
a) What would I be inclined to buy male gear that I do not WANT to prove that male clothes sell. If anything THAT would do the opposite. It would send a message that ANYTHING male will sell, so just slap together ANYTHING because the customer base is desperate.
b) No, what I do- do is keep saying it at every chance I get. Let my post(s) resonate and EVERY vendor that comes across this forum see that the customers [wanting male gear] are unhappy. And I know it works because after a huge spell of posts about Daz's pricing, it got better, stabilized and the sales got way way better- to the point that I'm trying to tap out and surrender to Daz's promotional engine.lol [please stop] What, all the moaning about March Madness fell on deaf ears - nah, Daz flipped the Sales Game. LOTS of sales and BANNERS. They listened and addressed the complaints.
c) This is a business. You can also learn by seeing your customers shopping for the stuff they want across the street.
d) I also already explained how to address this issue without sales being a factor.
Here's the thing, and I'm not picking on Collective3d with this. I love his stuff.
But let's say I'm working on a graphic novel/webcomic that is set in Chicago. Now, Chicago and its suburbs have a lot of neighborhoods with very distinctive style of bunglaow. Collective 3D's working class bunglaow is close, but anyone who lives in or around Chicago knows that's not a Chicago style bungalow. (the basements aren't as deep, meaning there's more stairs to the front door, and they tend to have porches, which may or may not be enclosed.)
When I hypothetically go looking for a Chicago style bunglaow, everyone points me to the Blue Collar bungalow. I say that's not what I want. This doesn't mean I don't actually want a Chicago style bungalow. That doesn't mean I think the blue collar bungalow is poor quality. It just means that what's currently available doesn't suit my purposes.
However, whenever this is brought up with men's clothing (or men's anything) saying "yes, but..." is regularly seen as meaning "I don't actually want men's things, I just want to bitch about how they don't exist." rather than "I can't buy what doesn't exist." which is closer to accurate in many cases. And I get tired of being told, however obliquely, that I need to buy something that doesn't suit my needs in the hopes that vendors might make what I need, rather than saying "I need x" from the getgo.
All of which is a very longwinded way of saying I've given up on this fight. Last year's Christmas money from the inlaws was used for Hamilton tickets and vet costs for an unexpected new cat. This year, it's going for Marvelous designer and I'll learn to make my own stuff (since I can already sew and have some knowledge of pattern making.) and not worry about buying anything for guys except what I actually need/can use.
**Once again, the Blue Collar Bungalow vs. Chicago Style Bungalow is an example or a metaphor and not my actual needs. The blue collar bungalow and neighborhood (once I can scrape up the money) are wonderful, fantastic products that I can make work for my needs just fine. I used to use Polish's Subway car for this example, but a new New York/Chicago style subway car has come out since then. (And the differences in suitable appearance are more drastic with the subway car. I can get away with the blue collar bungalow subbing for Chicago area housing, I couldn't use Polish's subway car for the L and maintain any semblence of accuracy.)
Fortunately while Daz ignores males there are other sites that do not... That is where I spend my money.
nope, its keeping food on the table
But most of the male clothing here at DAZ are complete trash to be honest, not going to lie. I wouldn't buy it just to support.
We know all the standard old arguments.
But Daz, as the keeper of the flame, has a vested interest---whether they know it or not---to maintain a viable male base with quality Core Figures/skins and believable contemporary and action wear. We need affirmative action for male characters. Daz Originals could commission a G8M character or two from someone not named Fred (deep bow of praise and gratitude to him for his multiple offerings and acknowledgment that gypsyangel's sole G8M offering is a Daz Original) as well as FINALLY make us a superior men's Italian business suit with different collars, ties, pants cuff, and jacket morphs.
This is a public service that Daz would offer just to keep the males going because MEN ARE NECESSARY. Actually, I would be somewhat satisfied with G8M if we can get a Core Figure Gianni-type and Ivan-type along with a Bruce Lee-type. Right now, it's Michael, Darius, Owen, Edward, and Floyd. (Ollie is useful for dial purposes, but Lucas was too vanilla to actually be consistently useful).
That is sweet, Midnight Stories! If I can request a texture, can you do one like the Sardurkar from Lynch's Dune? The suit reminds me of that version.
+1
I gotta say: I'm one of the people who wants more male content. But more than once I've looked at what's been posted for sale and.... not been impressed. I don't want to trash anybody, but I do, uh, get the impression that the only people willing to make male content at the moment are specialty PAs with a distinct style that isn't really what I want.... and newer vendors who frankly aren't as good.
That said, I'm as guilty as anybody of having a limited budget -- I want but could not afford the Victorian menswear that recently came out, and there's that multimodel Onyx set that came out way back when that I peered at but did not acquire. (Then again, I don't buy most womenswear or female models either. What really gets my credit card hot is sets, because I have a lot more trouble kitbashing those than I do outfits.)
You may very well get into the sales game, and become a PA, and if you sell stuff that some people will actually buy, who knows? You may even break the circle.
It`s the not so modern disease of having to eat and pay the bills
At some point if female content is all that is made and new pas vending here add more competition the less skilled pas who can’t compete for the female market will have to diversify. Female content is not an endless gravy-train... it just is at present.
Times change though and there are only so many samey outfits people can purchase. The new generation every year keeps this female dominated market artificially revitalized but change happens. As prices climb individuals will embrace alternatives. So we’ll see.
Because many PA's do this for a living, like us, you don't want to spend 3 weeks on a project that is gonna give you half the sale as the females do. We need to feed and pay bills so don't want to take the chance. There are a few PA's that do really nice male characters like Male-M3dia I too would like to see more male clothing but as I said many don't want to take the chance. If we ever get a bigger male interested customers then more male stuff will come out but atm we don't have a big enough crowd
Check some of the other sites as there are developers who have created some very high quality male characters for sale....
Ultimately it doesn’t matter to me why pas don’t make male stuff. Everyone has a good reason to do what they do.
I can’t do anything more to make the market better.
No male or male compatible content simply means pas who stick to female goods aren’t stores I shop at anyway. There are many real life stores I don’t shop at either. That’s life. I don’t go into Victoria Secret either.