OT Update 2: Nvidia & AMD about to lose a lot of sales from cryptominers?

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  • KitsumoKitsumo Posts: 1,221

    I'm more interested in how he got a card on Nvidia's site. So maybe they didn't stop selling?

    Also, I ran across this last night.

    Hard drive mining? I hope it's an early April fools joke. Otherwise, if it's real, I might just throw away my computer.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    SixDs said:

     

    Kitsumo said:

    I'm more interested in how he got a card on Nvidia's site. So maybe they didn't stop selling?

    Also, I ran across this last night.

    Hard drive mining? I hope it's an early April fools joke. Otherwise, if it's real, I might just throw away my computer.

    *facepalm* Good heavens....

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851

    ...but where was the mention of getting the GPU from Nvidia?

    Of course being a tech reviewer he probably has an inside pipeline that the rest of us don't have.

  • KitsumoKitsumo Posts: 1,221

    The guy in SixDs post earlier said he got one on the Nvidia website. He didn't say when, though.

  • KitsumoKitsumo Posts: 1,221

    Nvidia has GTX 1080 Tis available on their site. I just got one.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    edited April 2018

    ...the 1080 Ti now shows as "Out of Stock" but the standard 1080 has an "Add to Cart" button (as does the 1,200$ Titan Xp).  I'm still waiting on the 1070 which is 150$ less than the 1080 for the same VRAM.

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  • KitsumoKitsumo Posts: 1,221
    kyoto kid said:

    ...the 1080 Ti now shows as "Out of Stock" but the standard 1080 has an "Add to Cart" button (as does the 1,200$ Titan Xp).  I'm still waiting on the 1070 which is 150$ less than the 1080 for the same VRAM.

    Have you found a manufacturer that sells the 1070? The only one I've seen is EVGA and their price is the same as newegg (about $550). Does Nvidia sell them directly?

  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,139
    edited April 2018

    Newegg had an Asus 1080 (8GB) for $649 this morning, which is the lowest price I have seen since  the shortages began.  1070's still way overpriced.

    Used Titan X 12GB cards (standard cooling) are going for as little as $500 or a bit less on ebay now, although some are asking much more.  With liquid cooling as low as $560.   The Titan X has not been favored for mining as the high power consumption makes it less profitable.   Thanks for several forum folks for suggesting this.  Looks to be a better buy than the used Tesla cards.

    I have seen Titan Xp, 1080 (8GB), and 1060 on the NVIDIA site site multiple times.  I have been holding out for a 1080ti or a 1070.

    Bought one of the Titan X's.  We will see how this goes.

     

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  • KitsumoKitsumo Posts: 1,221

    I just came home at lunch to take a nap and thought "might as well check Nvidia's site." I saw the 'add to cart' or whatever, clicked it and ran to get my credit card. I thought about buying two for a second, not planning on selling the other one, just because I've never had dual cards of the same type. I just got one, though. Gotta figure out how to fit this into the old budget now. I was thinking about getting a night-job, I guess now I have a reason to.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    edited April 2018
    Kitsumo said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...the 1080 Ti now shows as "Out of Stock" but the standard 1080 has an "Add to Cart" button (as does the 1,200$ Titan Xp).  I'm still waiting on the 1070 which is 150$ less than the 1080 for the same VRAM.

    Have you found a manufacturer that sells the 1070? The only one I've seen is EVGA and their price is the same as newegg (about $550). Does Nvidia sell them directly?

    ...yes, Nvidia has the Founders edition listed in their store listed at 399$ but with the "Out of Stock" message. Tonight, everything but the Titan Xp are all out.  I can afford a standard 1070 at base MSRP and that is it (and that will still put a crimp in life for a month or so).

    Most Maxwell Titan X cards on ebay for 500$ or less are all on bids with days to go or non functional for parts.  "Buy it now" prices range from 750$ - 1,300$ (the latter with waterblock), too rich for my budget.

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  • BradCarstenBradCarsten Posts: 856

    Now that mining is no longer as profitable, it looks like there's now a DRAM shortage to keep prices up. 

    But on the other hand it looks like they are also exploring a new voting system for creating the blockchain that wont be as GPU intensive. That could be interesting. 

    Someone earlier mentioned that mining is still going strong, and that it may still be worth it in other countries. Interesting enough, even in South Africa, which is one of the cheapest countries in the world to live in (minimum wage is under a dollar an hour), mining is no longer profitable, so I imagine it's people hoping that the prices will eventually go up and they can recoup some of their money. I know someone who just bought 20 new GPUs for mining.... OOPS talk about bad timing. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    edited April 2018

    ...the memory shortage (which has been going on for over a year) is a pain but not as contributory to the extreme prices we have been seeing as was caused by the supply of GPU cards being depleted due to the mining craze.  True, prices won't come down to where they were when the 10xx series was first released but they sill should finally be more affordable than what we have seen should there is a mass bailout of "armchair miners" due to declining profitability.

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  • KitsumoKitsumo Posts: 1,221
    bradrg said:

    Now that mining is no longer as profitable, it looks like there's now a DRAM shortage to keep prices up. 

    But on the other hand it looks like they are also exploring a new voting system for creating the blockchain that wont be as GPU intensive. That could be interesting. 

    Someone earlier mentioned that mining is still going strong, and that it may still be worth it in other countries. Interesting enough, even in South Africa, which is one of the cheapest countries in the world to live in (minimum wage is under a dollar an hour), mining is no longer profitable, so I imagine it's people hoping that the prices will eventually go up and they can recoup some of their money. I know someone who just bought 20 new GPUs for mining.... OOPS talk about bad timing. 

    Yeah, mining is only starting to fade according to bitinfocharts. If this continues and prices rise, mining may actually become profitable. And DRAM producers are reluctant to shift production to GDDR6 when they have phone makers screaming "I need DDR5 and lots of it, I don't care what it costs!" GPU sales have spiked in the past year, but they're dwarfed by global smartphone sales.

    Of course a recession could derail all that. I'm not being political, but it's been 10 years since we had one. A nice 20% reduction in demand for everything would help with prices. I'm not hoping people lose their jobs just so GPUs become more affordable, I'm just saying recessions happen, usually on a somewhat predictable basis.

  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,139

    Hmm... it was easier than I expected to buy a used EVGA Titan X 12GB (claimed to have never been used for cryptomining) on Ebay for $500.   I assumed it might take me weeks of careful low-bidding, but I bid on one and won within 24 hours.   Supposed to come in this weekend.  We will see how this all works out.  So, who is buying the ones at $700-$1200?

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    edited April 2018

    ...those who don't want to deal with waiting through a week or more of bidding which will invariably increase the price to close to the low end "Buy It Now" price I quoted.  I saw one auction that had a deadline of 22 days which was starting at around 600$ (no bids yet).  The 1,300$ one is, as I mentioned, includes the waterblock and cooling system, something I'd probably need to keep temps down as those cards draw 250w (a 1070 draws only 150w, 10w less than my old 1 GB 460).

    500$ is still too rich for my budget and I'd be suspect of mining cards only because I've read that often rigs were in less than optimal environmental conditions.  I'm capped at the base price for the 1070 Founders Edition at Nvidia, and like I mentioned that will still mean some "zloty pinching" for the next couple months.

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  • KitsumoKitsumo Posts: 1,221
    kyoto kid said:

    500$ is still too rich for my budget.  I'm capped at the base price for the 1070 Founders edition at Nvidia and like I mentioned that will still mean some "zloty pinching" for the next couple months.

    I know what you mean. I'm in a forced semi-retirement, caring for elderly parents. Next month will be 18 months I've been out of work. But I try to stay upbeat about it.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851

    ...yeah my SS pension barely covers my basic living expenses (rent alone is nearly 50% of my monthly benefit then there's power, phone and Net service).  Not sure how I will manage the Medicare premium when I have to sign up for that in another year.

    When it comes to employment, some days I'm OK, while on others my bones and joints ache so bad and are so stiff, it is difficult to even get up and move around.  Not into the prescription meds as they have far too many negative if not even dangerous side effects (the ones usually prescribed for my condition being opioid based).

  • KitsumoKitsumo Posts: 1,221

    I guess I'm lucky to still be able to work, as long as it doesn't require any heavy lifting or bending at the waist. Hopefully, we can get my folks into a nursing home, then I can get back to work. If not, I'll try to find a night job somewhere. I've got a few years left to save up for retirement, so I can't complain overall. I just try to stay positive.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    edited April 2018

    ...yeah my former job paid squat so there was little I had left over to put away for retirement and what savings I had was wiped out after I lost my job at the tail end of the recession. Finding a halfway decent paying job when you are in your late 50s to early 60s, have no degree, and are pretty much physically broken down to where you cannot even do mundane office work (my typing speed today is around 22 WPM, and that's on a good day when it doesn't feel like red hot needles are being driven into my wrist and hand) makes the odds of winning a big lotto look favourable in comparison. 

    ...but I digress.

    Continuing to check the Nvida store a couple times each day in hopes a 1070 will appear.

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  • ValandarValandar Posts: 1,417

    ... I am making PA products on a 7 year old computer with a three year old video card... a GTX 960... I wonder what I could do with a more modern computer...

  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057

    Well, it looks like some of the graphics card manufacturers are implementing other options to deal with the memory shortage...

    http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/new-geforce-gt-1030-with-ddr4-graphics-memory-spotted-(and-not-gddr5).html

  • KitsumoKitsumo Posts: 1,221

    Well, it looks like some of the graphics card manufacturers are implementing other options to deal with the memory shortage...

    http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/new-geforce-gt-1030-with-ddr4-graphics-memory-spotted-(and-not-gddr5).html

    Sounds like a nice idea. It wouldn't help too many people here, but for a media center or HTPC it might work. I can't believe those cards cost over $100. I mean it's a decent low end card, but it should sell for $50-60 normally. This is getting way out of hand like the hard drive shortage a few years ago.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    drzap said:

    "Aren't tensor cores extremely likely to be used in AI denoising?"   

    I have been following this line of thinking with a view to purchasing Voltas for a rendering rig.  Since Redshift, Iray, and Octane all have working builds with AI denoising, my primary conclusion is that tensors will have no significant implications for the end user.  However, tensor cores probably quicken the training of the denoiser but that is largely on the developer side before the product is shipped.  Further training is done as more renders are made, which don't involve tensor cores.  The basis for my assumptions is from the Redshift forums where users have already started using the TitanV and V100 in production work.  Of course, if the final release of the AI denoiser allows tensor cores to speed up the render, I would be tickled pink.  In the meantime, I have gone ahead with my purchase of several 1080ti's until everything shakes out.

    A card that just so happens to have gaming drivers, LOL. The Titan has always been the "budget science/workstation card" since its very inception. The new Titan is geared more towards that, but it STILL HAS THOSE GAMING FEATURES of the GTX series. Quadro series does not have gaming drivers. So please do explain why the super science card Titan V has gaming drivers. Why didn't Nvidia just strip out those gaming features from the Titan V if it is so serious about it being a science card???

    Because Quadros are not sexy. That's why. The Titan name has brand power. That's why. Nvidia wanted to get attention for this card, and so they gave it the Titan branding.

    Sure, they could just go and change how they handle branding, but that wouldn't make much sense after 5 years of Titans to suddenly do that now.

    Yes, the Titan V has science in mind...but it is gaming card.

    Here is Nvidia's gaming driver download page. Please click the supported products. 

    http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/127665/en-us

    I'll go ahead and paste that info...Every Titan ever made is listed, included the super sciency Titan V, which is supposedly only for science. Because scientist gotta get their game on, obviously...

    NVIDIA TITAN Series:

    NVIDIA TITAN V, NVIDIA TITAN Xp, NVIDIA TITAN X (Pascal), GeForce GTX TITAN X, GeForce GTX TITAN, GeForce GTX TITAN Black, GeForce GTX TITAN Z

    GeForce 10 Series:

    GeForce GTX 1080 Ti, GeForce GTX 1080, GeForce GTX 1070 Ti, GeForce GTX 1070, GeForce GTX 1060, GeForce GTX 1050 Ti, GeForce GTX 1050, GeForce GT 1030

    GeForce 900 Series:

    GeForce GTX 980 Ti, GeForce GTX 980, GeForce GTX 970, GeForce GTX 960, GeForce GTX 950

    GeForce 700 Series:

    GeForce GTX 780 Ti, GeForce GTX 780, GeForce GTX 770, GeForce GTX 760, GeForce GTX 760 Ti (OEM), GeForce GTX 750 Ti, GeForce GTX 750, GeForce GTX 745, GeForce GT 740, GeForce GT 730, GeForce GT 720, GeForce GT 710, GeForce GT 705

    GeForce 600 Series:

    GeForce GTX 690, GeForce GTX 680, GeForce GTX 670, GeForce GTX 660 Ti, GeForce GTX 660, GeForce GTX 650 Ti BOOST, GeForce GTX 650 Ti, GeForce GTX 650, GeForce GTX 645, GeForce GT 645, GeForce GT 640, GeForce GT 635, GeForce GT 630, GeForce GT 620, GeForce GT 610, GeForce 605

    GeForce 500 Series:

    GeForce GTX 590, GeForce GTX 580, GeForce GTX 570, GeForce GTX 560 Ti, GeForce GTX 560 SE, GeForce GTX 560, GeForce GTX 555, GeForce GTX 550 Ti, GeForce GT 545, GeForce GT 530, GeForce GT 520, GeForce 510

    GeForce 400 Series:

    GeForce GTX 480, GeForce GTX 470, GeForce GTX 465, GeForce GTX 460 SE v2, GeForce GTX 460 SE, GeForce GTX 460, GeForce GTS 450, GeForce GT 440, GeForce GT 430, GeForce GT 420

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    edited April 2018

    ...buses and trams are not sexy either, but they are more efficient at moving a larger number of people in a smaller footprint and for less fuel consumption per person than the equivalent number of sleeker designed single occupant cars.

    If I could afford one, I'd still go with a Quadro just for the higher VRAM, lower power requirements for the horsepower they offer, and drivers that make them more efficient at what we do.

    Crikey even having 16 GB, let alone 32, would be a major leap for people like me who create very large involved scenes.

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  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 1,990

    Massdrop having a bit of a videocard blowout, fairly decent prices but need to be quick: 

    https://www.massdrop.com/buy/graphics-card-blowout-favorites-from-the-vault

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    edited April 2018
    ...watching an auction for a Maxwell Titan X that has about a day to go if rhe bids don't get too ludicrous may try to snag it. Yeah older gen but I have a PSU that can handle it and hust installled a couple more case fans.
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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,851
    ...OT, bugger I hate the forum mobile app. Isn't flagging typos and keeps sending me into speech to text mode.
  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,139
    edited April 2018
    kyoto kid said:
    ...watching an auction for a Maxwell Titan X that has about a day to go if rhe bids don't get too ludicrous may try to snag it. Yeah older gen but I have a PSU that can handle it and hust installled a couple more case fans.

    Good luck!  I can't figure why the prices vary so much on ebay for these used cards.   Since some were going for over $800, I figured I would have to be very patient to get one for $500 or less.  But I won the first auction I bid on.  Now I hear that they have gone for as little as $425.  Should have tried for a lower price.  Anyway, the EVGA card I bought is in great shape, and I have been testing it with Luxmark 3.1.  Temperature peaked out at 83 deg. running at 100% duty cycle, fan at 46%.  Would probably have started throttling at 85 deg.  Hope to change the cooling profile (don't care if it is a little noisier) and maybe down-clock it 5-10% to make sure it stays cool.

    I figure this will do what I need until we see how Octane 4 pans out, and what changes are made to Iray.

    Ok, now there is an auction for that card (used) starting at $1000, and someone has bid.  There is a buy-it-now for $650 (with water cooling), and several bidding at $300-$400....I don't get it.

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  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,139
    Valandar said:

    ... I am making PA products on a 7 year old computer with a three year old video card... a GTX 960... I wonder what I could do with a more modern computer...

    And fine products they are!   Well, you could make them faster...... : )

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    kyoto kid said:

    ...buses and trams are not sexy either, but they are more efficient at moving a larger number of people in a smaller footprint and for less fuel consumption per person than the equivalent number of sleeker designed single occupant cars.

    If I could afford one, I'd still go with a Quadro just for the higher VRAM, lower power requirements for the horsepower they offer, and drivers that make them more efficient at what we do.

    Crikey even having 16 GB, let alone 32, would be a major leap for people like me who create very large involved scenes.

    Doesn't take many characters to fill up a scene.

    ... And tbh, the more tweaking I have to do to get it to fit on a card, the more annoyed I get. My time is as valuable as my cash. :) Or nearly so.

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